Continuing HR article, Netflix

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See all these wise posters, lots of what we have said has been ‘confirmed’ by other sources

article in the DM:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13874743/Harry-Meghan-Hollywood-turns-Sussexes-ALISON-BOSHOFF-venom-schadenfreude.html

https://archive.ph/xgEdv

One senior Hollywood publicist tells me: 'First of all, everyone industry-wide, EVERYONE reads The Hollywood Reporter. It's really striking that WME did not stop this running.'
She adds: 'WME normally – you would think – would have been threatening and denying access to other stars. Was this done here?

Thats exactly what we all thought! it’s strange how they are letting this stuff out.

As we have all seen in recent days, the dark art of covering up and killing stories- look at Al Fayed and what he got away with. So WME have done nothing???

Also, Harry attending an event in his own because Meghan is sick. No. This is part of separating their ‘brands’- I doubt she will attend any future events like these with Harry.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13875773/sick-meghan-markle-prince-harry-kevin-costner-charity-event.html

Seems like the wheels are falling off to me!

Of course it's not like being in a crowd scene. They were helping Charles and Camilla HOST an event to which people had been invited. So there was a requirement to meet and greet, show interest and knowledge etc. Something she wasn't prepared to do because it didn't serve her personal interests.

If Meghan and Harry had just left without going all scorched earth then they would have been welcome at all royal ‘family’ events, trooping, garden parties, Royal Ascot etc. and if they had gone down this route I expect Meghan would have been the face of Rolex and Range Rover and Dior…….they would have been very successful I’m sure, but didn’t want that, they wanted to go on royal tours in the commonwealth, state banquets, anything representing the Monarch and you cannot represent the ahead of State whilst promoting your latest commercial collaboration. The posters who cannot see the difference and say it exactly the same as Beatrice and Zara who go to family events and do not represent the monarch or receive tax payer money to do so are being deliberately obtuse.

Do you honestly think that H&M would really fly all the way over from California to attend a garden party? A garden party that they would be playing second fiddle to either Charles or William.
Knowing thats the only level of ‘ representing the monarchy’ they could possibly achieve without it causing conflict with the British public.

Come on

That Times article is really intersting. The PR winds can change on a dime!

I disagree that he'll ever publicly return to the RF fold though. Privately, repairing his family relationships with his father and some of his cousins might be possible. But publicly, surely not.

Harry's speech in Lesotho included this word salad (taken from a DM article): Harry said: 'We're hitting the targets, not just Sentebale but all of the departments are, and it's making a massive difference, and it is this surge of energy and optimism and the voice of young people ranging from six to 25 – and the biggest difference of which really needs more work, is when people from the top start listening.'

Also the otherside of Zara Beatrice Eugenie and Peters lives is relatively low key and mostly on brand for the RF - so low risk.

MM always had Sunshine Sachs, her agent, lawyers etc on board from the day she met PH scoping US/global deals - even OW was sniffing around from day one - they all would have been in for a cut and the aspiration, scale and nature of the deals was where H&M were confident that they wanted to make their own money - because it was lots more than their RF allowance, would need to be US based and was focused on the dizzy heights of Hollywood A list - thats where MM wanted to be. She achieved most of this.....but this version of half in half out was totally at odds with RF prinicples and brand and would be high risk for RF brand reputation compared with the low impact version with Zara Beatrice Eugenie and Peter.

Yes that word salad is annoying - what are these unspecified targets they are hitting?

Indeed who is the "we"? (realise that might have been clear from what he'd said just before the bit quoted, but as a standalone it isn't)

What is it that they've actually done ? Much more relevant to talk about what is happening, than about your performance measuring

I think the problem with M and H has been that their bitterness and bile has taken over good judgement and common sense. It they had left on good terms and started their new empire without the interviews and bitter books it all would have gone an awful lot better for them. They have let their own grudges ruin everything. She in particular is on a mission to prove that she can set up a rival court and be Queen of California. Every piece of good news or publicity about the RF is countered with something they have done, often something that is only an idea. They've made themselves look utterly ridiculous. They should have dropped the titles and the posturing, the lecturing and the pseudo awards ceremonies and either bought a ranch and lived quietly somewhere, or actually put some work in to help charity, genuinely help charity, not just pontificate about it. She should have dropped the designer gear, left Dianas jewellery at home , called herself Meghan and shown a bit of humility and gratitude. He should have shut his mouth , smiled, and just got on with living his new life without the strictures of Royal life. Most of all , they should have worked at building better relationships with Harry's family and allowed the children to see their family members.

Garden party season, especially at Holyrood is so close to the Balmoral stay that it could make perfect sense.

Come over to see family privately at Balmoral, plus go to a royal event in a non-representational role whilst in Scotland.

It's extraordinary that there are still those who feel they've played their cards alright and are 'living their best lives'. They have squandered so many opportunities and there are quite a number of alternate realities of lifestyles they could have chosen that would have been a lovely, fulfilling life for them while still keeping their dignity and reputations. They have fallen so far from where they were.

They would never be at any event where they aren’t the main stars. That they are the supporting act.

When William becomes King, do you think Meg would curtesy for Catherine?. No way.

Those who say Harry never stands up to Meghan about anything, that may well be true nowadays. But I think he did used to when he had the framework of the RF around him.

I was remembering this occasion at trooping the colour (not her first year when she appeared half naked 🤦‍♀️). She has to be told twice by Harry to turn around as she kept slyly turning round, smirking, during the balcony flypast moment as the national anthem is beginning. She looks so sulky after he's told her for the second time. She's always been a nightmare but I thought she was fine back then as I wasn't really paying attention. The family must have had her number from early on. She respects no one but herself.

There's another clip of the same scene when they are assembling on the balcony and Meghan tries to stand next to the Queen so as to be centre stage but Anne sees what's happening and blocks her so she's forced to move along.

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My earlier point was that the monarchy as an institution is bigger than William, even as King. William personally, may never trust Harry again, but that doesn't mean the institution won't find him a role.

I think this is wishful thinking.

Maybe. But never say never. Who would have predicted Camilla becoming Queen Consort back in the mid nineties?

And it's not actually my wish. I can see it happening, that's all.

I also don’t believe that they could have had it all, if they had just behaved.

They were always destined to move away.

Meghan was never going to like the boring royal duties, Harry was always going to feel hard done by, Meghan was always going to embarrass herself with world salad, she was never going to let go of her influencer background, never going to give up the freebies etc. I mean who wears chandelier diamond earrings from the man the world knows had a journalist murdered…then lies about it…….someone who doesn’t listen, doesn’t care and is self absorbed. It would never have worked. It would just be delaying the inevitable. There def would be some major royal scandal if they had stayed.

Markle couldn't even manage that.
Perhaps H&M would have been allowed the same informal set-up as Zara et al, if Markle was prepared to manage the basics.

I think she would have wanted scandals. (Albeit not the kind she's getting now.) We know how taken she was with Diana's life story, I think she was actively hoping for the same kind of media furore, the drama, the speculation, the adoring fans, the controversy and the affairs. I think that was her dream. I don't think its a coincidence that when that wasn't working out she seemed to try and rewrite the script with herself as a sort of Wallis Simpson. She's a fantasist and a true drama queen.

You should be calling Zara 'Tindall' if it's your preference to call Meghan 'Markle'

Its rude

Spot on!

And what you list is just what we know the RF knew at that point. I'd love to know what the "lies" were that William tried to get H to believe about M at the Sandringham Summit were.

She really is a fantasist. I don’t order her her has made her the way she is.

Markle does not invite respect.

I doubt he’s being supported by the palace, Harry has excellent advisors, simply they didn’t listen. But if we remember back a few weeks ago where it was rumoured he wanted to spend more time in the uk, doing royal duties, and he was advised to just keep his head down and crack on with the job, I think that’s what hes doing.

It was also reported that Harry has engaged a British PR for the first time since his departure for the US. I detect the hand of that PR in his recent trip. No more American word salad, no more complaining, no focus on himself, just getting on with the job, smile on his face, celebrating others, etc. As Hilary Rose said, all the things he learned to do as a royal from birth, but which have been glaringly absent from his appearances since 2020. The American way of doing things and of speaking is very different and you could tell when Americans were advising him and writing his speeches - it just didn't sound like Harry at all. But if ever wants to improve his image here in Britain, he needs to start sounding like a Brit again, behaving like Prince Harry, and losing all the entitled whining. Nobody wants to hear a rich person complaining about how hard their life is.

I think that is the least rude thing that has been said about M on this thread or anywhere on the internet.

Get a grip

But they wanted taxpayer funded 24/7 security !

should we call her Meghan Mountbatten Windsor then? It’s a bit of a mouthful. I don’t think she has ever referred to herself like this.

My opinion is that Meghan never had any intention of being a working royal. I don't think it's a particularly easy life, standing in high heels in the cold at a new primary school or football pitch and actually taking an interest (not enough to fake an interest unless you're an exceptionally good actor), remembering names, what people do etc etc.

You have to bring a lot of yourself to each encounter because although you have dozens of such encounters per day, for the other person it'll be one of the most memorable moments of their entire life and so you have to respect that by being fully present.

Plus you see a lot of people experiencing huge challenges, terrible illnesses, sad stories.

That would take SO MUCH out of you, emotionally, spiritually and physically. I couldn't do it.

And yeah Meghan never wnated to do that - certainly unpaid! She wanted to be a disney princes and get lots of lovely freebies.

She ain't stupid, I think she went into the marriage with a game plan to get them out and back to the States as soon as practicable.

In the event, it worked out badly because she couldn't control everything and she maybe forgot that the RF aren't stupid either. They've got moves too and they deployed them.

but yeah, that was always her game plan I reckon.

Meghan will do surely? We don't call Catharine ..Middleton do we?