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Why do Harry and Meghan tell porkies that are so easy to prove wrong?

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YaMuvva · 28/05/2024 15:44

Starting with the porkie that Archie wasn’t gonna be titled. Anyone who understands the Letters Patent would know that as long as the Queen was alive this was never gonna happen. I said this when watching the Oprah interview and I’m pretty appalled they told such an easily provable lie.

Then Harry said that daddy cut his security off. Anyone who knows about RAVEC knows it is independent of the Royal Family and Charles couldn’t do this if he tried. Same with “Only titled people get security” / this was so easy to prove wrong.

And why are there 2 versions of the proposal story. Did they think we wouldn’t notice? Is one a Hollywood version for their American audience?

The same with the ‘how they met’ story - in their engagement interview they said it was a blind date, to Netflix they met on Instagram.

I also was puzzled at her saying she never wore bright colours and that royal women could never wear the same colour as the Queen. It’s just nonsense. See below pictures.

Why do they do this? My theory is that everything they do now is for an American audience who are used to the reality TV narrative of “Some scenes have been created for entertainment” style TV and just accept their narrative as partly fictional, as long as it’s entertaining?

Why do Harry and Meghan tell porkies that are so easy to prove wrong?
Why do Harry and Meghan tell porkies that are so easy to prove wrong?
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YaMuvva · 28/05/2024 17:55

keffie12 · 28/05/2024 17:24

Everything H & M has said has turned out to be true. When you take snapshots of everything and don't look at the whole story instead of just believing the British trash media, then you are going to be suckered into the media agenda.

One example is that the private wedding is true. It's a common thing to do in the U.S. Link below.

I'm going to give you a briefing (copy & paste) of the usual responses to this I get, as my only responses are below. Then I'm out of here.

I don't waste my time arguing with people who just want to slag them off and don't look at the whole story.

1/ I bet none of you who dislike them have read SPARE in its entirety. You will say you have. If you read that book, you would know they haven't told "porkies"

2/ If you watched all the Netflix series, you would know they were telling the truth.

3/ Racism: it started from the week H & M went public with their relationship. Comments about "exotic blood" and "almost straight out of comment" continued. H released a statement at 6 weeks to the press about it, telling them to stop. Then, the monkey picture after Archie was born and continuing.

4/ The media salaciousness to wreck the wedding by dragging Thomas Markle into it. He admitted that last year, the media said they wanted to stop the wedding.

5/ M has nothing to do with her Dad and 2 half siblings. Her dad played with the media. Do you think the RF would allow that.

I don't care what you think about what your daughter has done. You do not do what he did and talk to the press. Would you do it?

As for her 2 half siblings. Gutter trash. The brother has been in prison for armed robbery and domestic violence and has recently been seen in YouTube vids being racist.

Incidently, M is still in touch with her other family on her dad side. Cousins, etc. Thomas Markle doesn't bother with his other grandchildren.

6/ H & M never said the RF were racist. They said unconscious bias. That is different. It was the press who twisted it.

7/ The wedding: I've covered at the beginning. Link below

8/ The comments were concerns, not I wonder - about skin colour. Morgan outed who they were.

Morgan and Wooton, gross as they are both, said before the media was ordered to turn on them that the RF were racist.

9/ It was Kate that made Meghan cry.

10/ There is plenty of research evidence that H & M were subject to daily extreme racism from the public as well. Many were prosecuted. Look it up. It's there to be seen.

11/ Security was pulled by Charles, and why - read SPARE properly

12/ The media have admitted the leaking was coming firstly from BP, and then KP added on when all the rumours started about W affair. All to deflect from them onto H & M.

13/ H & M are much loved around the world, and they have a far larger following in the U.K than you realise.

14/ Take some time out to research properly more decent balanced media, like Byline and radio presenters like JOB

15/ As for H & M telling their story. Why shouldn't they. Everyone else is making up cr*p about them and divulging through "Royal sources" = royal family. The thousands of articles and books written about them by people who barely know them say it all

16/ The twisted truths and lies were going on about H before he met M. No one is saying they are perfect. No one is. However, the RF has played a massive part in this.

I could cover alot more areas however I've given you the general jist for you to moan, bitch and slate me off over. Enjoy! Over and out

What a load of shit

Of course they’ve told lies. How can you say they haven’t when it’s easily proven!

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User353526 · 28/05/2024 17:58

Because narcissists love to lie and if people don't confront them (which many don't bother) then they assume they got away with it. Narcs believe they are great at manipulating people and will stretch or exaggerate their version of events to the point of everything being lies.

It also has nothing to do with privilege or money. Just like how depression doesn't magically go away if you're rich, narcissistic behaviour also doesn't go away just because someone's privileged.

To be fair, I don't think Harry is a narc, but Meghan is a textbook narcissist. Harry suffered a lot of MH issues and became enmeshed in her manipulations so it's easy to see why he displays many similar traits now.

Toasticles · 28/05/2024 18:00

I am not a royalist and I can see all kinds of terribly unpleasant aspects to the Andrew situation in terms of trafficking, coercion, power imbalances etc
What I can't understand is why people keep calling allegedly sleeping with a 17 year old "peadophilia". It really annoys the pedant in me. A 17 year old is above the UK age of consent and past puberty. How is he a peadophile for being attracted to a post pubertal young woman? Gross in many other ways, but saying he's a peadophile just makes people sound like they are over-egging the pudding. It makes them lose credibility in my eyes. It's parallel to causing everything "transphobic".

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 28/05/2024 18:06

Makemydaypunk · 28/05/2024 17:23

Lets get out the Bingo card

But what about Andrew?
But what about Camilla?
You are jealous
You must be bored
Forelock tugger
Cap doffer
Anymore for anymore?

Why do you care?
Have you even met them?
Racist
Hater
They don't care about you, you know.

CoffeeCantata · 28/05/2024 18:08

User353526
To be fair, I don't think Harry is a narc, but Meghan is a textbook narcissist. Harry suffered a lot of MH issues and became enmeshed in her manipulations so it's easy to see why he displays many similar traits now.

She really is! You could teach a psychology degree module based on her.

Abnormally needy for attention. Totally unable to function when not the centre of attention.
Constantly self-agrandising. You'd think she was the UN Sec General and a member of the RSC.
Manipulation of others (dividing Harry from his family, just as she is divided from hers).
Driven by envy of others - specifically Catherine. Had to have everything she had and preferably more.
Lack of self-reflection or awareness.
Absolutely no conscience where others are concerned.
Use of emotional blackmail/performative emotional behaviour to manipulate others (the sinking to the floor weeping when she heard Harry's key in the lock).
The constant, constant wish to portray herself as a victim when in reality her life is littered with the corpses of her own victims.
Superficial charm (rictus smile etc)
Attaching huge importance to material things: jewellery, clothing, cars, homes.

Just for starters.

YaMuvva · 28/05/2024 18:10

wordler · 28/05/2024 17:34

Well - was it crocodile or grandma?

Prince Harry has shared the sweet way his late mother Princess Diana was involved in his son Archie saying his first word. In his new AppleTV+ docuseries The Me You Can't Seerecalled the milestone.
During episode five, the royal explained that Archie's nursery has a photo of Princess Diana hanging on the wall. That's when he revealed Archie's first word was "grandma."
^^
"I got a photo of her in his nursery, and it was one of the first words that he said — apart from 'mama,' 'papa,' it was then 'grandma'. Grandma Diana," Harry said per Hello Magazine. "It's the sweetest thing, but at the same time, it makes me really sad because she should be here."

I find it quite ghoulish how he martyrises his mother at every opportunity. I feel quite sorry for William having to watch him behave this way.
If like to think he does it because he misses her but expect her is capitalising on the fans of St Diana The Wronged, a large amount of which is made up by the American market.

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YaMuvva · 28/05/2024 18:10

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A bit like calling a woman you don’t know a home wrecker?

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YaMuvva · 28/05/2024 18:11

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No I didn’t forget. You must have missed my post.

What do you get out of defending two grifters who wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire?

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FloofyBear · 28/05/2024 18:17

DaphneBlake101 · 28/05/2024 16:00

But the point about Archie's title was that the Queen did change the rules for Charlotte and Louis, who also shouldn't have been Princess and Prince from birth. If she did for two of Charles' grandchildren, I can see why the question arose as to why she didn't for the other. Also it appeared that from Meghan's understanding, security arrangements had become linked to the title so Archie wasn't provided security separate to Harry's security detail at birth because he wasn't a Prince.

Probably because all of PW children are ahead of everyone else in the pecking order, if they do PH children then why not all the other great grandchildren? It gets stupid after a while, she made a decision ... was this even after H&M were even married?

YaMuvva · 28/05/2024 18:18

AliceOlive · 28/05/2024 17:44

I am because no one wanted to talk about what the First Lady of Nigeria said. 🫤

I’ve missed this - what did she say??

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YaMuvva · 28/05/2024 18:19

FanofLeaves · 28/05/2024 17:43

Well, see above, in the James Cordon interview for SNL, he says Archie’s first word is ‘crocodile’. Then in a later interview it’s ‘grandma Diana’. They can’t both be true.

Doubtful either of them were around to hear the first word from their children anyway.

Also the whole curtesy on the first time meeting the late Queen thing, Meghan said Harry had told her she had to curtesy and Fergie had been the one to quickly show her how to do it. Then in the Netflix doc it’s a whole other story with her sweeping to the floor in the most ridiculous overblown gesture imaginable. Harry actually looked pretty uncomfortable when she said that, probably because it was purely for dramatic effect and was absolute bullshit.

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The curtesy thing is one of the few things I would defend Meghan on. I think she was taking the piss out of herself, not anyone else.

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YaMuvva · 28/05/2024 18:21

Gorgonemilezola · 28/05/2024 17:45

Load of bolleaux. Meghan said they got married 3 days before their actual wedding (you remember, the £30million, televised job with crowds of well wishes and her new father in law walking her down the aisle).

If she'd said they'd had a quiet moment in the garden exchanging some personal vows before the big day, no-one would have thought anything of it. But to claim this was their actual marriage - what a crock. And if it was what they believed to be their proper marriage why go through the charade at St George's Chapel? Could it be that Meghan didn't want to be not really married to Harry, she wanted it signed, sealed, delivered, and understood exactly when her real marriage took place.

As for her 'no-one knows this', well love, no-one knew it until you decided to spill it all over Oprah, so it can't have been so very important to you to keep it as a lovely personal thing between you and Harry (and the archbish).

I think she said “We got married” because their MO by then was “we are victims of a draconian institution when we are hip life loving young people too cool for this” and wanted to peddle the “We are just too cool for stuffy old weddings in gothic churches” (or however Harry described Windsor in his book) line

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YaMuvva · 28/05/2024 18:24

Toasticles · 28/05/2024 18:00

I am not a royalist and I can see all kinds of terribly unpleasant aspects to the Andrew situation in terms of trafficking, coercion, power imbalances etc
What I can't understand is why people keep calling allegedly sleeping with a 17 year old "peadophilia". It really annoys the pedant in me. A 17 year old is above the UK age of consent and past puberty. How is he a peadophile for being attracted to a post pubertal young woman? Gross in many other ways, but saying he's a peadophile just makes people sound like they are over-egging the pudding. It makes them lose credibility in my eyes. It's parallel to causing everything "transphobic".

I agree with you.

Sadly we will be accused of being pedophile apologists. I’m not, I just like accurate information. He is a sex offender but not a child sex offender

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Mylovelygreendress · 28/05/2024 18:28

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Why not start new threads about Andrew and Camilla ?

wordler · 28/05/2024 18:28

FloofyBear · 28/05/2024 18:17

Probably because all of PW children are ahead of everyone else in the pecking order, if they do PH children then why not all the other great grandchildren? It gets stupid after a while, she made a decision ... was this even after H&M were even married?

It was done in 2013 just before George was born - before we knew George was a boy.

And it was amending a previous rule that had also ONLY applied to the eldest son of the eldest son of the eldest son of the monarch.

So before -

all children of the monarch get HRH Prince/Princess titles

all grandchildren born to monarch’s male children get HRH Prince Princess titles
(which is why Zara and Peter were not and could not have been Prince and Princess)

all great grandchildren of the monarch styled according to titles of their father (if they have any) except for the eldest son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales who could be HRH Prince

After the change in 2013 all was the same apart from instead of all children of William given the titles Prince / Princess not just the eldest son.

SmileyHappyPeopleInTheSun · 28/05/2024 18:28

Did they think we wouldn’t notice? Is one a Hollywood version for their American audience?

I think Meghan's career been in area where fudging the truth and fluffing a bit are normal and everyone politely ignores or expects it - so the scrutiny must have come as a shock - why she's not stopped the behaviour is more odd.

Harry - I don't think he notices much outside his own comfort* *- possibly has poor memory or has re-written history in his own head and thinks everyone should take what he says at the minute as gospel even it it contradicts what he previously said.

PrettyFlyforaMaiTai · 28/05/2024 18:29

YaMuvva · 28/05/2024 18:18

I’ve missed this - what did she say??

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/news/meghan-markle-nigeria-tour-oluremi-tinubu-nakedness-b2552592.html

“They keep forgetting that Nigeria, we are beautiful. You can see what they showcase on the stage…We are fashionable, we see what is going on...We are not having the Met Gala. And everyone, the nakedness, is just everywhere and the men are well-clothed. So we have to do something. Tell them we don’t accept nakedness in our culture. That is not beautiful. It’s not beautiful at all. And they’re all beautiful girls, but they should be confident in who they are. They do not want to mimic and try to emulate film stars from America. They don’t know where they come from. Why did Meghan come here looking for Africa? That is something we have to take home with. We know who we are. Don’t lose who you are.”

Nigeria’s First Lady slams US celebs after Meghan Markle visit

She urged Nigerian women and girls not to ‘emulate film stars from America’

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/news/meghan-markle-nigeria-tour-oluremi-tinubu-nakedness-b2552592.html

Mylovelygreendress · 28/05/2024 18:31

YaMuvva · 28/05/2024 18:19

The curtesy thing is one of the few things I would defend Meghan on. I think she was taking the piss out of herself, not anyone else.

She never strikes me as having a sense of humour . She and Harry are both incredibly thin skinned and take offence easily . I really can’t see her being self deprecating.
The curtsy thing was ridiculous . She did ballet and every ballerina knows how to curtsy.

Andanotherone01 · 28/05/2024 18:31

My guess would be because she is a manipulative narcissist, who wouldn’t know the truth if it kicked her up the backside and he is half-sharp.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 28/05/2024 18:32

'Film star' is a bit of a stretch, isn't it?

Abouttimeforanamechange · 28/05/2024 18:33

all great grandchildren of the monarch styled according to titles of their father

Archie was always Earl of Dumbarton, they just chose not to use it.

YaMuvva · 28/05/2024 18:36

@PrettyFlyforaMaiTai ….well. I don’t know what to say.
Thats pretty damning.
Again, the lack of a well organised team planning the tour and making sure the likes of the First Lady are happy with the tour, is so obviously absent for them now.

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wordler · 28/05/2024 18:37

Abouttimeforanamechange · 28/05/2024 18:33

all great grandchildren of the monarch styled according to titles of their father

Archie was always Earl of Dumbarton, they just chose not to use it.

Yes - they could also have just gone with Lord Archie and Lady Lilibet Mountbatten Windsor.

But they released a statement at the time that they had decided not to use any titles and he was just going to be Master Archie.

Which makes it so clear what the issue was as soon as they leapt on using the Prince / Princess titles.

crockofshite · 28/05/2024 18:39

Spirallingdownwards · 28/05/2024 16:37

Another day another boring let's slag Harry and Meghan off thread. Seriously why are people even giving this headspace?

Thanks for the insightful input.

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