Have you lost faith/trust in the royal family?

[DistinguishedSocialCommentator]

Recent events

AIBU to lose faith and trust in what we get to hear about the royal family?

What would restore your faith in the royal family?

Just came on to say it really does my head in that some people hold the Queen in such high esteem and say it's all gone tits up now she's gone. That woman presided over nothing but decline in this country whilst making sure her own nest remained feathered. She meddled in policy to ensure she wasn't detrimentally affected. Christ, the Royal households are even exempt, afaik, from the equality act, minimum wage act, and anything to do with race.

There's a line that always makes me think of them, from Indecent Proposal. Woody Harrelson says to Robert Redford at the end of the film "I always thought you were the better man, but I know now I was wrong. You just had more money."

I wish the 'subjects' of this country would just wake up and see it for what it is instead of cap doffing and kow towing to a bunch of people who truly lucked out. It feels like the juggernaut is finally turning, but it really needs to start doing donuts in the carpark!

I think its time they all retired to live their own lives. The upper classes are all incredibly toxic.
Charles is ok but I don't like William one little bit, Harry has done a good job of destroying the family and as for Andrew, enough said.
Its time to end it.

I think some trust was lost when the late Queen EII had to be dragged kicking and screaming to pay more tax and contribute to some of the post fire renovation costs at Windsor.

And again more recently, a huge loss of trust, when it was found that she had been lobbying for changes in legislation that to hide her private wealth.

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/07/revealed-queen-lobbied-for-change-in-law-to-hide-her-private-wealth

I lost more faith and trust in them when I heard of Charles’ affair and the appalling way they treated Diana. Before then the Queen was always there.

The rest of them I really couldn’t be bothered about.

Great post.

Add Andrew into the mix and it becomes embarrassing. I'm glad Harry and Meghan walked away. I have more respect for them for it.

No, but your MP has to swear allegiance to the King. MPs who are representing us, have to

wby don't they swear allegiance to the people, not to someone we didn't choose and. can't vote out

For me also, I recall speaking to my nana and grandad (both were divorced), grandad served in British army and nana worked in London and met her third DH who was in the army and upper class. Neither of them said anything negative or positive about the royal family including George VI, so this is living through WWII etc. You’d think if anything they’d be royalists/monarchists considering their ages but no.

Haven't read the responses here - deliberately, because I want to give my own unbiased answer. Not being rude.

No, it hasn't changed my view at all. It doesn't have much to do with the royals, and more to do with social media. 90% of the hoo-ha strikes me as being the press and SM making mischief and money. I don't give a damn that an informal family snap was altered. The two pap shots of Catherine in cars would indicate that (unsurprisingly) the poor woman is not looking the way she would wish to look while recovering from a serious procedure. Yes, she may look puffy or tired/drawn/stressed - don't blame her at all for not wanting the world's press analysing her every line/shadow/tense muscle etc etc.

They said she'd be back at Easter. Let's hope that happens.

If the crazies turn out to be correct and she's been severely beaten by her husband, has tried to run away from her royal life or is in fact dead, then I'll eat my tin hat, but not until then.

That it is "unfathomable" and "significant", as I quoted.

They play the public for fools whilst living off the tax payer. There vast fortunes would not last long if they had to pay for their own security and the upkeep of all their palaces.

Exactly. What a waste of our tax money!

I’ve never had faith/trust in the royal family. I don’t hate them and I don’t care if we get rid of them or if they stay. I don’t understand what people would have faith or trust in? They’re just people and most of them have done some pretty awful stuff. I find it mad that people are losing faith in them due to made up conspiracies and an edited photograph, but didn’t lose faith in them when everything happened with Andrew, surely that’s much worse.

Yes, if you actually ask people about their ‘respect’ for QE2, it appears it’s a completely unconsidered combination of forelock-tugging, a feeling of reassurance that the same ageing face and body was always there as a form of continuity in figureheads, a bizarre appreciation for the fact that she literally never said anything and was more discreet than her more than averagely fucked-up children, a largely unfounded belief that she worked hard, and a nonsensical belief in her integrity, despite her shielding of Andrew and her specific use of ‘Queen’s Consent’ to negotiate the royal households’ exemption from equality acts, and to amend legislation allowing her to hide her private wealth from the public.

A mysteriously large segment of the British public seems to like having someone they consider their superior by birth at the helm, though.

A mysteriously large segment of the British public seems to like having someone they consider their superior by birth at the helm

What makes you think that? Where's the evidence?

I doubt that very much, personally. But I've happily lived in democracies where the head of state is actually elected!

I totally agree with this. I couldn’t understand any of the “nation’s grandmother” rhetoric either.

She carried out her duties in a stalwart way and for a long time but I am sure the majority of working woman on here would have been able to manage that equally well with support staff consisting of chauffeurs, dressers, advisors, ladies in waiting etc when out doing the job, and with chefs, cleaners, nannies, gardeners etc back at home.

@DistinguishedSocialCommentator I think, from reading your previous posts, that your main problem is putting people you don't know on a ridiculously high pedestal, and believing wholesale the PR puff you have been fed by William and Kate in the past. That is bound to lead to disappointment when they turn out to just be fairly unremarkable people with not a lot going for them apart from either being born into the right family or marrying well. It does them no favours to blow smoke up their arses for the minimal things they do. Kate is either such an amazing woman that she manages to effortlessly pop out 3 children without even breaking a sweat or putting on any weight unlike us plebs with our mum tums sitting in our pj's with bits falling out off us for days on end, or she needs months off work for an operation whereas he can't even show her face on a zoom.call 3 months afterwards. She is either such an amazing photographer that she can get her photos into books, or she is just a mum messing around amateurishly on Photoshop. William and Kate have sat on their laurels while revelling in being 'not Meghan and Harry' but haven't done anything that stands up to any scrutiny. They have made themselves into something they can't live up to. No one forced them or imposed ' perfect Kate' on them.

I’m from somewhere with an elected ceremonial HoS, not a political role, which works well.

My evidence, quite apart from the continuing longterm levels of support for the retention of a HoS whose only qualification is that of blood, is in electoral politics. Despite most people being left of the Conservatives, they continually vote Tory, the party of the ruling classes and Empire nostalgia. As revealed by Brexit, the underlying message of ‘Make Britain Great Again!’ Anglo-British nationalism is that posh people ought to be in charge, with the monarchy taking pride of place — because that’s who was running things when you had an Empire. Bluntly, you’re still dealing with the myth of Churchill.

No.

Never had it in the first place and it's been far more dishonesty than an ineptly doctored photo that's done it.

No.

Great post @Microdisney

I didn't watch the coronation (I refused to do so while we still can, in case 1984 becomes real, and such things are forcibly broadcast into our homes), but wasn't there something about those watching at home being "invited" to pledge allegiance?

Harry and Meghan are members of the Royal Family. The Royals were responsible for bringing Harry up to be the petulant, spoilt man child that he is. They have delivered us a family of grifters who live off the money we give to the Monarch and never has anyone challenge them or say no. William and Harry are the same. They both hate the press, they both want to be able to do what they want without any scrutiny whatsoever. They both say they want to live an ordinary life but aren't willing to give up the handouts, the unearned influence or the luxury lifestyle. Harry has committed the worst possible crime ( worse than associating with paedophiles, getting your mum to pay off a sex trafficking victim and hidjngvftom the FBI) and has been disloyal to his family. Even though his father said more or less the same thing years before.

Never had it in the first place. I genuinely can’t wrap my head around people that can’t see through the facade they’ve put on for an eternity and genuinely think the royal family give any thought to the general publics well being.

Of course they'll publish it anyway, but the reason that photo was published without scrutiny in the first place is because the RF were a trusted source so they just waved through everything they were sent. Now anything sent from KP will be put through screening processes they weren't before. They won't be able to get anything past them where they would have before.

And still I think "so what?" Some media people will have a bit more work to do, the royal family will have yo do cleverer editing or be more open about editing. Still not seeing that as important.

I had no faith or trust in the first place. I like reading about them and I'm semi interested in their lives but at the end of the day my life doesn't change because of their actions. They are just people