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Great news, HRH Princess Kate seen in public today

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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 04/03/2024 23:20

The press has published pics of HRH with her mum in mum Audi on a
"school run." HRH was seated in the front passenger seat.

Wishing HRS Kate a speedy recovery!!

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CorylusAgain · 07/03/2024 12:30

Pushtart · 07/03/2024 12:24

this is the kind of comment I am talking about, its suggesting the poster isn't happy, its goady, mean and when this kind of comment is directed to one poster or anyone thinking differently to the regulars, it can stop people from contributing. Thats not fair to me and being new here I am not going to bother to report things, but I am going to say I think its unnecessary and potentially crossing a line. If you don't want to see these comments, don't join a thread discussing her being seen. What did you expect people to say?

Lots of posters have disagreed. There's not one single opinion.
What's goady is suggesting there is evidence for an opinion but not citing that evidence and suggesting others are not as well read as the poster themselves

AliceOlive · 07/03/2024 12:32

Pushtart · 07/03/2024 12:24

this is the kind of comment I am talking about, its suggesting the poster isn't happy, its goady, mean and when this kind of comment is directed to one poster or anyone thinking differently to the regulars, it can stop people from contributing. Thats not fair to me and being new here I am not going to bother to report things, but I am going to say I think its unnecessary and potentially crossing a line. If you don't want to see these comments, don't join a thread discussing her being seen. What did you expect people to say?

The poster gives as good as the poster gets, though.

She’s too relaxed for the rest of us, etc.

I think you’ve taken up an unnecessary cause. Toffee seems good and enjoying the repartee.

OliverTwisted · 07/03/2024 12:34

Pushtart · 07/03/2024 12:24

this is the kind of comment I am talking about, its suggesting the poster isn't happy, its goady, mean and when this kind of comment is directed to one poster or anyone thinking differently to the regulars, it can stop people from contributing. Thats not fair to me and being new here I am not going to bother to report things, but I am going to say I think its unnecessary and potentially crossing a line. If you don't want to see these comments, don't join a thread discussing her being seen. What did you expect people to say?

Thing is, we can all go and find instances of toffee doing the same. Such as implying other posters don’t have a life. But it’s just derailing at this point. It gets a bit heated sometimes, the nature of a discussion forum. Toffee has said they aren’t a victim. And they’re continuing to post anyway, (alluding to the fake affair but always under the veneer of plausible deniability) so they can stand the heat after their provocative posts, I actually respect that.

PinkTonic · 07/03/2024 12:34

ToffeeTalk · 07/03/2024 12:27

CorylusAgain I completely get your point but it never ends well if one claims to rely on anything anyone in rl has said, coupled with all the general gossip and hints and circumstantial evidence. Although people are really pushing me to say this is about William's reported affair, which it isn't, or certainly isn't entirely. I referred to separation without giving any views as to what any underlying reasons might be. Other people mentioned affair. Then asked for 'evidence'. I haven't mentioned anything about any affair. I think a previous poster (but possibly on another thread) said that she'd heard something about Kate from someone who worked at BP and she got completely piled on. As I say, I'm not going to go through why I believe what I believe but it would certainly be good if those such as AliceOlive would go back and read the tone of any posts before making any claims that I am pushing a particular theory on anyone else. It's very easy to prove that that's not correct. I accept that my take on the rf/ Kate and William isn't popular but I'm fine with that. Maybe I'm too relaxed for those who hold different views.

Ok, good, we’re making progress. So we have people in rl, general gossip and hints. What about the circumstantial evidence, could you expand on that a bit?

ToffeeTalk · 07/03/2024 12:36

CorylusAgain · 07/03/2024 12:22

to my mind the photo of Kate with a swollen face suggests surgery of some sort which is more than merely minor, hence being prepared to say ok well maybe the thing being put around about minor procedure/ cover for separation isn't correct

So, @ToffeeTalk , a grainy, long distance photograph of someone's face is enough evidence for you to to determine the severity of that person's s medical history and undermines the shady sources you previously referenced? This illustrates that your opinions really are not rooted in logical thought.

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If that is Kate in the car, her face is certainly swollen and the medical reasons for that are limited. Several have been discussed on this thread but having an immediate family member as a doctor certainly helps with explanations. Lots of doctors have been talking about the limited possibilities of what Kate's condition/ op is and that's been the case since January. The photo certainly adds something, however grainy. Assuming it is Kate, obviously.

ToffeeTalk · 07/03/2024 12:39

No Alice I haven't said that. That way lies madness. I just haven't said anything, sorry :)

Please stop trying to provoke. Honestly, it won't work.

Pushtart · 07/03/2024 12:39

I think you’ve taken up an unnecessary cause. Toffee seems good and enjoying the repartee.

Some posters create a hostile atmosphere here and while Toffee may be handling it, it's not pleasant for others, and it prevents others from joining in with her, because not all of us want to be got at by the RF board regulars.

ButterCrackers · 07/03/2024 12:41

PurplePansy05 · 06/03/2024 16:35

My theory and I stress that as pure theory!!

Is that it's possible she had some kind of a transplant - it can be an abdominal surgery, long recovery, immunosupressants that would stop the travels and potentially make her look poorly, no definitive date when she will return etc. I think this makes sense and technically, what KP said about the surgery and recovery is true but without revealing the details. The sudden surgery and informing about it after the event also ties in. Maybe a donor was found just then.

I obviously don't know but that's what it looks like to me.

Who knows why they're keeping it private, maybe concerns about rejection, maybe they didn't want the children to worry, maybe it comes with a risk of reduced life expectancy. Maybe they didn't want speculation if she was bumped up the list, who knows.

This might well not be the case, I simply think it all points towards it tbh. I wish her a good, strong recovery after what was clearly a major health issue and surgery.

Agree on it being a major health issue. I’ve had surgery that needed a hospital stay and some months of recovery. I wish her well. I thought it good she was with her mum. That’s strong family bond which is good to have.

OliverTwisted · 07/03/2024 12:42

I’m not a regular I lurk a lot, it’s not put me off so please don’t be so presumptuous to speak on the behalf of others. Meant nicely and apologies if the tone sounds not how it’s intended, it’s easy to get wires crossed online.

ToffeeTalk · 07/03/2024 12:44

Thanks again Pushtart. Strongly agree.

I should shut up. I would actually prefer others had space to post. I'm not enjoying standing up for myself exactly but tbh it has to be done when there's a barrage.

That's it from me :)

OliverTwisted · 07/03/2024 12:45

‘I would actually prefer others had space to post’

finally we agree, hopefully the derailment has come to an end 😊

CorylusAgain · 07/03/2024 12:47

ToffeeTalk · 07/03/2024 12:36

If that is Kate in the car, her face is certainly swollen and the medical reasons for that are limited. Several have been discussed on this thread but having an immediate family member as a doctor certainly helps with explanations. Lots of doctors have been talking about the limited possibilities of what Kate's condition/ op is and that's been the case since January. The photo certainly adds something, however grainy. Assuming it is Kate, obviously.

My point is @ToffeeTalk , that you appear to form (and state) strong opinions as factual. You felt strongly that the information you had was evidence of a marriage in crisis and that palace sources were deliberately lying about the nature of her surgery to create "space".
But it only takes one grainy photo for you to ditch that opinion. Rapid revision undermines the validity of things you post, because it demonstrates they not backed up by robust evidence.

Pushtart · 07/03/2024 12:47

OliverTwisted · 07/03/2024 12:42

I’m not a regular I lurk a lot, it’s not put me off so please don’t be so presumptuous to speak on the behalf of others. Meant nicely and apologies if the tone sounds not how it’s intended, it’s easy to get wires crossed online.

I am not at all speaking for you nor have I implied I am. Your tone does need working on, yes, as calling someone presumptuous when they haven't mentioned you is not coming across well to me.

Pushtart · 07/03/2024 12:48

OliverTwisted · 07/03/2024 12:45

‘I would actually prefer others had space to post’

finally we agree, hopefully the derailment has come to an end 😊

Again, this is unpleasant and unnecessary. You're literally chasing someone off the thread.

AliceOlive · 07/03/2024 12:49

Pushtart · 07/03/2024 12:39

I think you’ve taken up an unnecessary cause. Toffee seems good and enjoying the repartee.

Some posters create a hostile atmosphere here and while Toffee may be handling it, it's not pleasant for others, and it prevents others from joining in with her, because not all of us want to be got at by the RF board regulars.

I understand because I’ve personally avoided posting and reading much in this very thread because I find the repeated conjecture by Toffee invasive and cruel never mind completely lacking in any basis. I was so glad when I checked to see others pushing back on it. Now we’ve seen the argument shift to her having insider knowledge. It’s Toffee’s name I’ve seen most in this thread, actually. She’s been the one dominating the conversation.

And someone just brought Meghan into it. I didn’t participate in any of that with respect to her pregnancy or her absence. I don’t think ugliness toward one woman by some is good justification for ugliness to another Do you?

Why is thing a women’s sport, primarily? That’s the saddest part of it.

OliverTwisted · 07/03/2024 12:50

Pushtart · 07/03/2024 12:47

I am not at all speaking for you nor have I implied I am. Your tone does need working on, yes, as calling someone presumptuous when they haven't mentioned you is not coming across well to me.

‘it's not pleasant for others, and it prevents others from joining in with her, because not all of us want to be got at by the RF board regulars.’

who are all these others that you’re speaking on behalf of then? It is presumptuous to speak on behalf of anonymous posters you don’t know. It clearly hasn’t put you off from posting so you can’t mean yourself 😉

OliverTwisted · 07/03/2024 12:51

‘And someone just brought Meghan into it. I didn’t participate in any of that with respect to her pregnancy or her absence. I don’t think ugliness toward one woman by some is good justification for ugliness to another’

agree

AliceOlive · 07/03/2024 12:51

Pushtart · 07/03/2024 12:48

Again, this is unpleasant and unnecessary. You're literally chasing someone off the thread.

That’s quite a twist of meaning there!

Which is another common thing here on RFF.

One can leave space for others without leaving a thread entirely.

OliverTwisted · 07/03/2024 12:53

Pushtart · 07/03/2024 12:48

Again, this is unpleasant and unnecessary. You're literally chasing someone off the thread.

That’s very assumptive of you, I haven’t chased anyone. I agree with Toffee it would be nice to see others post as well, as this conversation is boring and circular and becoming a derailment. Let’s hope it gets back on track soon. It’s unpleasant and unnecessary of you to make this false allegation against me.

AliceOlive · 07/03/2024 12:56

The comment about “regulars” is rather goady, too. I’ve never seen “OliverTwisted” before this thread.

We can’t be sure who might be regulars, lurkers or name changers here. I rarely name change myself and don’t think I have in months now. Which I think is rather unusual here.

So I hope by “regulars” you aren’t talking about me.

RichardsGear · 07/03/2024 13:18

CorylusAgain · 07/03/2024 12:47

My point is @ToffeeTalk , that you appear to form (and state) strong opinions as factual. You felt strongly that the information you had was evidence of a marriage in crisis and that palace sources were deliberately lying about the nature of her surgery to create "space".
But it only takes one grainy photo for you to ditch that opinion. Rapid revision undermines the validity of things you post, because it demonstrates they not backed up by robust evidence.

I thought ToffeeTalk came on here after the photo was published saying their 'grim' expressions totally give weight to the theory that the marriage is on the skids/over. Then other posters chipped in saying who drives around grinning like lunatics all the time and the two people in the car look perfectly normal. Cba to go back and check though!

PinkTonic · 07/03/2024 13:27

RichardsGear · 07/03/2024 13:18

I thought ToffeeTalk came on here after the photo was published saying their 'grim' expressions totally give weight to the theory that the marriage is on the skids/over. Then other posters chipped in saying who drives around grinning like lunatics all the time and the two people in the car look perfectly normal. Cba to go back and check though!

The whole thread started after the photo was published. Various unsubstantiated assertions and dubious theories have been posited by the poster in a rather determined and dogged fashion, interspersed with the typical sensitivity and offence when challenged.

ToffeeTalk · 07/03/2024 14:15

I'll keep this as brief as possible:

Posit #1: marriage on skids, Kate wants out. Minor procedure used to buy time for settlement to be reached or for Kate to rescind decision. No mention of possible underlying reasons for marriage on skids.

Posit #2: Swollen face could be facelift rather than heavy duty colon related surgery which was the go to theory on the thread. Unlikely to have facelift if caught up in baleing from rf. Therefore probably not baleing because definite facial swelling ie swelling suggests ongoing medical issue rather than Posit #1.

No other Posits.

Also, Alice you're making things up again. I have not claimed 'insider info'.

ToffeeTalk · 07/03/2024 14:19

PinkTonic please note a complete absence of claiming offence.

AliceOlive · 07/03/2024 14:32

ToffeeTalk · 07/03/2024 12:39

No Alice I haven't said that. That way lies madness. I just haven't said anything, sorry :)

Please stop trying to provoke. Honestly, it won't work.

Also, Alice you're making things up again. I have not claimed 'insider info'.

I think you’ve said that a few times about the same point. See above.

And what do you mean by “again”?

If you don’t have insider info then why bag on me for “making things up”? Isn’t that exactly what you’ve been doing on this thread?

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