Harry’s security case

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The judgment is in Harry loses High Court challenge over UK security protection www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68421992 See here

I thought Lillibet was going to be known as Lilli anyway?

I find the “my husband” every five minutes more annoying. “His brother” just texted, “his grandmother” etc etc. We all know what they’re called, the constant reminding of the familial relationship is excruciating.

@MrsDanversGlidesAgain Queen Mary was right. That is the drudge of the job. That is the part that Meghan didn't foresee.

It is her claim to fame - hanging on their coat tails. After all without that what is she? An actress who was in a tv series.

Every now and then I get reminded of the ridiculousness of Lilibet's name.

I can just imagine them explaining it to her when she's older. "Yes you were named after the private nickname of your great grandmother the Queen" - "oh, were we really close before she died?" "Well actually you only met her once, and we'd just called the whole family institutionally racist on worldwide TV. And your dad had done an interview talking about the genetic pain he'd suffered as a result of neglectful parenting from his dad, which was directly as a result of how he was brought up by your great grandmother. We actually fled the UK to distance ourselves completely from the family, who wouldn't accept a mixed race child and tried to stop you getting security because they didn't care about your safety. But we're really proud of your Nigerian heritage, so that's why we named you after two white women, one of whom was the root cause of all our suffering and Daddy's trauma."

It is quite laughable really.

I agree with you, compounded by rhe fact it’s common knowledge rhe queen didn’t like it,

that kid is landed with that moniker and her parents did it to curry favour. Imagine using your own kid like that.

that kid is landed with that moniker and her parents did it to curry favour. Imagine using your own kid like that.

I think they did it to be vindictive, not to curry favour. It was in the same vein as their “You don’t own the word Royal” and “Service is universal” ripostes.

For whatever reason they used it, I very much doubt using a personal family nickname was to "honour" the late queen, a woman known for valuing her private life and keeping it separate from her public role.
Neither Harry nor William, or their parents, will have called her "Lilibet" and apparently Prince Philip called her "Cabbage".
However, it's known that her sister and parents used "Lilibet" privately. I doubt Harry heard it used much.
It's difficult to see it as anything other than a constant reminder that Harry is descended from the RF.

All of the above is purely my opinion and I have no links.

I would also think that using the late Queen’s nickname would be a potential security risk by drawing attention to who she is. I would have thought a nice generic name would have been much better 🤷‍♀️

edited because I repeated myself 🙄😆

And "You know, three days before our wedding, we got married."

So that 'spectacle' you plebs cheered at and helped pay for was just for show. We were fooling you all along.

Very mean girl.

I just don’t understand anyone who supports these two. Everything they do and say is so utterly toxic . It’s all about sound bites and what gives them an advantage in every situation. They both appear completely selfish and egotistical. They don’t tell the truth, they have no loyalty and both seem spectacularly thick .

One thing I was curious about. I saw a picture of them at 4th of July parade last year? And Lilibeth was dressed in a traditional little flower dress, white long socks, t bar shoes. The kind of thing Charlotte wore when she was little.
Is that how little Californian girls are dressed? Seems strange to me and very traditionally British.

I don't think I have seen that photo, is that Lilibet? yes, I agree, very formal outfit for a kid at a parade, and exactly how Charlotte was dressed. She also looks to be very warmly dressed for a July day.

The very kind of clothing that has been ridiculed on here by Sussex supporters.

I saw them talking on tv about why the Windsor children are dressed like that, so not to date the images so much.
It seems another thing that makes them stand out over there, very strange. Especially on 4th July!

And "You know, three days before our wedding, we got married."
So that 'spectacle' you plebs cheered at and helped pay for was just for show. We were fooling you all along.

So disrespectful to the Archbishop, who married them, and the Queen, who is Head of the Church of England, by which rites they were married.

And so stupid and pointless, bcause it was so easily contradicted.

The Archbishop himself came out and said it was untrue. (And I don't suppose he did that without consulting the Queen.)

Just made people wonder what else they were being untruthful about.

I actually wonder if part of the reason Harry is so paranoid about security is that he’s used to being cushioned and protected from the general public as a Royal. People aren’t allowed to get too close . Now he’s mixing with the hoi polloi it must be quite scary. Up close to ordinary people in a way he has never been without the sort of security and cordons and management he’s been used to all his life.

I don’t think this is the case. Harry is not worried for his safety unless the press are around. There is an article doing the rounds where a press photographer is bemoaning the fact that at the Sussexes wedding, Harry was trying to keep the press away and that he and Meghan deliberately turned away form the photographers. By “lack of security”, Harry seems to mean “lack of control of press coverage

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Why does it eat the link if you update a typo fgs

Wasn't there something in the court documents about how he disliked the 'proximity of the public' when travelling by train?

I'm not sure he finds it 'scary', however. More that it's beneath his dignity. I also don't think he's 'paranoid about security'. If he were, he would never have flounced off to find freedom knowing that he was leaving the well established security arrangements for royals in Britain. And he certainly wouldn't have gone to Nigeria, leaving his two young children without their parents on another continent. His security 'concerns' are rather selective.

I agree but in Nigeria they were being feted and treated like VIPs. When they left the UK they didn’t know they were going to lose their security. They were going to live in a huge mansion on Vancouver Island well away from the plebs. I didn’t know he had said he doesn’t like being near the public on trains. I definitely get the vibe that he thinks he’s above the common people . He comes across as arrogant these days.

They did know they were going to lose their security. That was made very clear to Harry at the 'Sandringham Summit', as outlined in the court documents. Them claiming otherwise was yet another of their fibs.

Did they think British taxpayers were going to pay to send highly trained elite officers to California to stand over them while filming 'documentaries' whining about how awful Britain and the royal family are?

Yes they did, it appears.

I wonder whether they view the general public like Penny?

https://youtube.com/shorts/pGNoYIFtwRY?si=Bxs4mWk_pZbZSD2f

They knew. I think the issue comes into play around schools etc work. There is the type of work they would have control of but they don’t do that type of work.

@OnceinaMinion Harry and the two other adults on left are wearing long sleeves. Ones on right are in t-shirts.

It is very hot and muggy in NYC in July. She would be in a short-sleeved or sleeveless dress, and sandals. California not as humid as NYC but still should be hot. Definitely no socks.