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So Harry flew for 11 hours and then spoke to his father for 45 minutes ? Charles then bobbed to Sandringham by helicopter and Harry checked into a hotel. I mean wouldn't you think Harry would have gone to Sandringham with Charles maybe ?

I don't suppose Camilla would want to see him after all the crap he spouted about her

It's not about Camilla; it's about Charles' relationship with his son. It's a very odd parent who doesn't put his child above his partner.

And Camilla is absolutely at the heart of why Harry's entire life - right from the time he was a tiny tot - has had the shadow of his mother's upset and misery cast over it. She bears a huge amount of responsibility.

Charles and Camilla richly deserve each other. Horrible people.

If my child behaved like Harry did, there would come a time I’d cut him loose and priotise my spouse of over two decades. But agree it’s not about Camilla. It’s also not about Harry, and his ludicrous dramatic arrival was totally unnecessary and all about Harry doing what Harry wanted.

@Janetime I agree, prob they told him it was fine. But harry being harry did what suited him. And now loads of folks thought Charles was at deaths door and Harry was making a mercy dash. The short meeting shows that was far from the case. There was absolutely no need for Harry to come over.

Ffs had he not come over the haters would have condemned him for that.

How about people just stop thinking they have a scoobie doo about this family. Because you don't

I don’t think so, stop being so dramatic. Charles is very clear this is very early stage, he could easily have said he face timed and planned to come over in the summer when Charles was less tired . Even in a week. The whole thing was made into a compete circus due to Harry, once again.

A longer, less dramatic visit to Sandringham would probably have made more sense. However, sense unfortunately, isn't something Harry has ever been very blessed with.

Also, a 45 minute conversion with someone where you have to watch every word or action, incase it ends up in a book or on a chat show, would feel like a very long time.

Harry will probably stay long enough in the UK to piss off a few more people, threaten to sue a newspaper or two and then nip off back to tge States. Noticeably, he always tends to leave a lot less dramatically than he arrives.

Im not speculating about anyone’s thoughts or feelings
I am commenting on actions
Harry has said some horrible things about his family and let it lie his father is a racist after the latest book which has not been denied by Harry

Why then would he fly over to hear the same news he has just been told over the phone and visit someone who may be immunosuppressed straight off a flight - not really sensible- why not wait a few days
There is nothing he can do to help at the moment
A real show of support would be retract the racist label

Actions speak for themselves looking at the facts I struggle to see any other explanation for his self serving dramatic trip over
It certainly isn’t to do what’s best for his father

@HairyToity
L"couldn't help but think he should have asked his dad when suited for him to travel, and been slightly less hasty."

You know he didn't exactly how?

I think he’s messed up with this sell out the RF stuff, it won’t bring him peace and will be very hard when Charles does go

Well like everyone else as his father barely gave him any time.

I cant stand the little winger but tbf he couldn't win with this. If he didn't come he'd be accused of not giving a fuck.

Apparently, the King was tired after treatment on Monday, but he delayed his departure to Sandringham so that he could see Harry. That's plenty. It's probably not ideal for folk to rush to see someone who is still post-op and also embarking on new treatment - we would all need quiet and space in this situation. It sounds like the King was actually kindly making an exception for Harry.

I agree. Harry clearly has fuck all else to do, and wants to be seen as part of this. An important part, when he’s an irrelevance , his dad has early stage, there was no need to rush over so dramatically. Charles made that clear by leaving so publicly so quickly after Harry arrived.

when Charles does go, William won’t be for allowing Harry in, and as the pair of them have messed up their whole show biz career that never was so badly , he relies on his title and connections. So I can see why he’d want people to think he was important and apart of the family response, and likely a bit panicked.

That’s what I think too, Charles was already planned to,leave, Harry did his mad mercy dash against his wishes so Charles delayed his departure to see him briefly. He should never have put Charles in that position and simply come over at a more convenient time.

To be fair Harry was particularly vicious about William. I think what even about forgiving the nonsense about the fight and the baldness etc the stuff about Kate being a marriage of convenience, a cold stepford wife and then a racist must be hard to get over no matter how hard you try.

Harry looking for a scoop on what KC cancer actually is?

To be fair Harry was particularly vicious about William. I think what even about forgiving the nonsense about the fight and the baldness etc the stuff about Kate being a marriage of convenience, a cold stepford wife and then a racist must be hard to get over no matter how hard you try.

Especially if it’s true as you would be annoyed at that being out there for the public to hear.

Honestly I don't think even Harry believes that. He had a great relationship with her for years even when he didn't with William.

Perhaps Omid Scobie will miraculously 'know' some extra details in the coming days ...

The hastily fitted-in appointment wasn't even a full 45 minutes. The Telegraph reports that Harry's entourage arrived at Clarence House at 2.45pm and the King & Queen left for Sandringham at 3.30pm. So I doubt that Harry and Charles were actually together (possibly at arms' length for safety of immune-compromised Charles, presumably, as pp have observed) for more than 30 full minutes.

If Harry had face-timed then I'm pretty sure the Palace would have recorded the encounter to use as evidence, if need be.
After coming her in person, Harry can tell the world his 'recollection' of events - not just with the King but airline staff, fellow passengers, Palace staff, other members of The Family, randoms, etc, etc, etc, etc.
He can get several interviews out of it; much more than he could from a one-on-one facetime conversation.

None of us have any idea what’s going on. I’d like to think they are a decent enough family and are all just really upset and don’t really know what to do. I feel sorry for them.

Doubleshot I wouldn’t give Harry the time of day if I was William after the way he’d treated Kate.

I agree though coming to see his dad - he’s damned if he did and he’s damned if he didn’t. Though I’d keep the conversation to the weather If I was Charles!

Honestly people's involvement in this is weird, who the hell cares???

Honestly I don't think even Harry believes that. He had a great relationship with her for years even when he didn't with William.

We don’t know the state of anyone’s relationships behind closed doors, even if they appear ‘great’. And even if they did have a great relationship at some point, it doesn’t mean it wasn’t a marriage of convenience or that he later found her cold or heard her be racist or whatever else he’s said. We really don’t know any of them.

It's really hard to gauge what is 'normal' with the RF. I've no doubt KC's diary is run with precision by teams of other people so maybe being given 45 minutes of his time with very little notice is considered generous and a sign of affection?

I remember reading that even HMQ's children had to book appointments to see her. They're not like ordinary families who pop round for a cuppa with 10 minutes notice.

You can only make future decisions based on past performance - so going by that I think Charles and his advisors would be very cautious indeed about being open or relaxed with Harry in case it’s used as book/interview/Scobie fodder.

Also you don’t get off an 11-hour flight and charge in to see someone (let alone your parent) who has a compromised immune system. Thoughtless.

And, furthermore, I bet the very same posters criticising William are ones who bellow”Go no contact!” about difficult family members. Is William supposed to be absolutely fine with Harry’s insults, including the ones about his wife?