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So Harry flew for 11 hours and then spoke to his father for 45 minutes ? Charles then bobbed to Sandringham by helicopter and Harry checked into a hotel. I mean wouldn't you think Harry would have gone to Sandringham with Charles maybe ?

It had a couple of nominations didn't it for awards . Did Meghan get nominated ? I've never seen it. I don't watch American stuff like this.

I moved to the US during the Suits years and never heard of it nor MM. It’s not my type of series though, I would’ve changed channels if I can across it, tbh.

I think the thing is that, given relative size, even American B listers have more global prominence than British A listers who haven't made it into Hollywood.

Meghan wasn't even B list though. Suits was reasonably popular, but as posters above have said, even those who liked the show didn't necessarily know who Meghan was. It wasn't that type of show. She could have walked down any street in America and nobody would have looked twice at her.

Anyway, Suits was just put on Netflix presumably due to the royal thing, and has broken some Netflix records in America.

Why do you think it's 'due to the royal thing'?

I agree that her name probably did arouse some interest in the show. But the strikes meant that there was little original content and a 9 series show with hundreds of episodes was attractive. Her name alone wasn't enough to sell her limp podcasts, so I don't think the 'royal thing' guarantees success unless the product is good.

just think of former new entry darlings like Jennifer Lawrence;

You're not seriously comparing Meghan to an Oscar winning actress who was the star of a massive trilogy? Who was half Meghan's age when she became famous? Who had extremely lucrative contracts with high end fashion houses?

Come on!

@IcedPurple C-list then, we're just arguing semantics. Come on, in most of my college course (HYPS so not some nameless college) most Americans and even Asians had been inspired by Suits to pick/pursue it.

Granted this is just based on my mixed upbringing across America and Asia, but I genuinely believe that even a C-list American has more global fame than a BBC household name who hasn't hit Hollywood.

That said if we were to bring in British TV – globally I'd say it had the same fanbase as something like Skins (I vaguely remember lots of people around me watching Skins and Suits in the same era), most people worldwide would have absolutely no idea what that is or who's in it, but still reasonably popular. Suits was so popular globally that there was an Arabic, Korean and Japanese remake of it though, but not for Skins.

On Jennifer Lawrence – I named her because she started out on cable too, and her acting (a lot of reliance on doe-eyed expressions) reminds me of Meghan's. I don't find her acting amazing but that's personal preference. Just replace her with whatever name you like. Meghan Markle isn't a mindblowing actor (though could develop like many actors), but she's not a bad actor. And she's incredibly attractive, especially in her roles. Anyone can be Hollywood A-list if the media machine loves you enough.

I’d never heard of Suits first I heard is when she posted that spooning bananas
thing then Harry’s rant announcement against the media. I did think good luck with her as she’s clearly fame hungry!

@IcedPurple the age thing is a good point though

@whwheeeeeee Did Jennifer Lawrence start out on cable? Apart from bit parts I thought she first came to prominence with her roles in indie films like Winters Bone?

Suits was so popular globally that there was an Arabic, Korean and Japanese remake of it though, but not for Skins.

I don't really get why you're comparing it to British TV shows. As I said, I don't deny that Suits was popular, but that doesn't mean Meghan was globally famous. She wasn't even famous in America.

On Jennifer Lawrence – I named her because she started out on cable too, and her acting (a lot of reliance on doe-eyed expressions) reminds me of Meghan's.

JL may have started on cable but she was an Oscar winning global superstar with tens of millions in the bank at half Meghan's age. And age matters in Hollywood. I'm slightly baffled by the comparison to be honest.

We can go on talking hypotheticals, but the fact is that 4 years on from Finding Freedom, Meghan's only real 'successes' have involved slagging off the family she was only part of for 2 years. Who knows what she might have done? I don't think she could ever have been close to A list, but with the help of a good agent, she and Harry could have come up with some sort of post royal success. But I think they've left it too late now.

@NewKingontheBlock "Oh quit with the “we don’t know” it’s used by supporters on here all the time to shut down conversations about their heroes that they don’t like, and it’s not true at all that “we know absolutely nothing about them” , in fact I know far too much about Harry thank you very much, all from his own mouth, frozen todger anyone?"

The shutting down has worked well,hasn't
it? 🤣🤣 I dislike them all with an equal distain. But the sycophantic "oh, they love their sons very much really pusses me off. The evidence, such as it is, suggests that Charles and Diana hardly gave their children a passing thought while they pursued their own "romantic" entanglements. It's hardly surprising that Harry is a deeply troubled person. I assume William is too-but his position makes it possible to hide it.

I watched suits, my daughter got me into it, and honestly I thought it was really good and enjoyed it.

So i knew Megan’s character. Rachel. But I’d not have been able to give her real name, and I couldn’t name any of the actors of the cast to be fair.

i think most folks wouldn’t have been able to name her, which to me, means she was not particularly famous. If no one knows your name, you aren’t famous. More folks knew the character. There are lots of characters in lots of shows i recognise, as do we all. But we couldn’t name the person who played the.

however marrying Harry made her globally famous. And I’d argue now, infamous or notorious. Their fame is not positive now.

I recall reading that Harry weirdly thought she was a big star. But honestly he’s shown he is far from the sharpest tool in the box , so it’s plausible he thought that.

I think it’s very distasteful for you to keep posting Charles and Diana didn’t love their own children. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, I’d urge you to stop now. Having a bad marriage, or affairs, does not mean you don’t love your children and your posts are becoming offensive. It is not sycophantic to beleive these people loved their children, and I do not think either Harry or William have ever suggested that to be the case

Agree plus it’s irritating that posters think they can conclude it

Yes he really seemed to believe it. Apparently he was surprised when he found out she wasn’t used to paps as he thought she was so famous.

as said though, he isn’t the smartest, so…

Is it sycophantic? Or realistic about human failings.

Yes, they didn't always get things right. They had to balance their feelings with being there for their children. They didn't get the balance right.

I don't think that means they didn't love their children, or that they got everything wrong.

I am glad I am not being judged in such an extreme way.

What I find odd is , well his dad and grandmother met and hung above with actual legends all the time !
Marilyn Monroe
Laurence Olivier
Vivian Leigh
Presidents etc.... I mean we could all go on for pages , and Tom cruises like him or not is a huge star , he's always about , how could he not know she wasn't that famous???

Maybe because he wanted to believe it? Needed to emotionally?

Possibly @wildernesssw ?? Just all so odd!

Maybe she told him that she was 'massive globally'?

Just somehow pretty much unknown in Britain?

He was at a dead end, army career over with nothing to replace it, wanting to marry and have children but unable to find someone willing to settle down with him... brother having all of that...

So there is this attractive, confident woman who is in a long running series, who wants the same thing - with him.

I think he needed to believe that she was special to others, as well as him, for the reflected glory.

Another good point @Turtlerussell , her fans do inflate her achievements, almost like you're insulting her for stating facts !
I'd never heard of her but she did well for a jobbing actor , she clawed her way up to a respectable amount of success in a career which is notoriously difficult and cut throat , she made her own money, surely that's enough acclaim?
It does not help to inflate the truth, it's a cruel thing when reality bites.