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So Harry flew for 11 hours and then spoke to his father for 45 minutes ? Charles then bobbed to Sandringham by helicopter and Harry checked into a hotel. I mean wouldn't you think Harry would have gone to Sandringham with Charles maybe ?

Yes, I have posted before that an on-going role in a cable series is far more than most aspiring actors achieve. Credit to her.

But that isn't the Hollywood A-list talent and status her supporters insist she has.

And she has implied it, from what I remember of the NF series, mentioning what she is used to from 'Hollywood' - the implication being she experienced it as a star, not as the on-set child of one of the behind the cameras staff. Of course, if challenged, she could do the faux naive routine of saying she never claimed to be a star...

Indeed @wildernesssw , the comparison to Angelina Jolie are particularly remarkable!
I'm no fan of hers ( team Jen back in the day!) but there's no denying her talent and drive , and much as I hate to admit it , she really is what I would call a humanitarian 🤷‍♀️

And I need to add .... a particularly nasty habit of seducing other women's partners!

@IcedPurple OK I feel we're just going in circles. I think again maybe this is not understanding how big America is (and I don't say that as a mark of superiority like some kind of crazy imperialist Putin – I actually prefer British TV), and for that matter Asia.

Everything is on a few channels in the UK. Even on UK cable when something becomes a success, like Fleabag, it's "mainstream" success.

Consider this: the entire UK population is 68 million. The US cable channel Suits was on had 91 million household (so multiply by household inhabitants) subscribers in 2018 (and that's post Netflix, long after the golden age of TV). Plus, lots of people watched it illegally online, and it was re-aired by domestic channels in Asia and Egypt etc, not US cable channels.

People in my schools in Asia & America, and online, were crazy about Suits (and the demand fed its Kdrama etc remakes too). I was a teen, so it could be an age group thing. An above British poster said her DD got her into it back then so yeah maybe a younger age group thing for its online fanbase in particular.

I don't at all think Suits was famous famous. I'm sure many have never heard of Suits in their life. But equally, many Americans had watched Suits, and even more had heard of it but hadn't watched it because it was on cable.

I don't even like Suits that much! I just don't think it's fair to say she/it wasn't famous at all, based on some possibly purposefully bitchy online comments.

The age in Hollywood point, I actually agree. She was 36/37 when the internal clown circus started so if she even had a tiny sliver of a chance then, it's definitely gone now after the past 5 years.

I don't at all think Suits was famous famous. I'm sure many have never heard of Suits in their life. But equally, many Americans had watched Suits, and even more had heard of it but hadn't watched it because it was on cable.

I think you're misunderstanding my point. I'm not really interested in how many people watched 'Suits' on cable. It may have been popular but that doesn't mean people were interested in Meghan herself, or even knew who she was. Several posters above, who watched the show, have made the same point. Suits wasn't Friends and Meghan wasn't Jennifer Anniston. There just wasn't that sort of interest in her or her castmates.

And to repeat what some have said above. Getting a role on a long running TV show is a significant achievement in a profession where the vast majority don't manage to make a living. But it didn't make her A or even B list.

In any case, it's all irrelevant to her current situation. I think we both agree that they have messed up royally in that regard.

@IcedPurple Yeah of course I don't think anyone has once compared Suits to Friends! A or B list is immaterial – again an American or Asian D-lister may be known by many times more people than an A-list Brit actor. MM specifically definitely had a huge fanbase among young people though, IRL and on Tumblr/Twitter/etc.

I think she had much higher chances to make it globally than you assert – but less than some of her rabid fans think – but in any case yeah it's too late for her now

Everything is on a few channels in the UK. Even on UK cable when something becomes a success, like Fleabag, it's "mainstream" success.

I'm sorry @wheeeeeee , can you explain this comment?

I’m not sure how much more she’d have done, look at her co stars, they are hardly leaping up the celeb ladder, for me being famous is people knowing your name . People didn’t know Megan’s name, they knew the chsracter in suits, but they didn’t know her name,

anuone who watched suits recognised her as the actress who played Rachel, but if you said Megan Markle to most people without thay context, and no picture, you’d have had no idea who it was.

Getting back to the OP of the 24-hour trip, it is sad on a human level to think that someone who spent 35 years in a country and presumably had reasonable familial relationships and longstanding friendships during that time, now dashes over and rushes off again, as if they can’t bear to set foot in the UK.

It’s not just the media that’s caused this, he’s burned bridges and it’s sad.
Some PP’s upthread mentioned emotional intelligence and life skills-maintaining good familial relationships and healthy old friendships is part of that.

I don’t get this comment either:

Everything is on a few channels in the UK. Even on UK cable when something becomes a success, like Fleabag, it's "mainstream" success.

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I agree. He clearly thought she was a real prize which is partly why he was so incensed when William didn’t immediately think she was the bee’s knees.
I remember reading a couple of things about Harry before he met Meghan. He said he often struggled to get out of bed in the morning and he spent hours playing PlayStation. Sounds a lot like a teenager really.

He dashed back and away again because he had his public speaking engagement already booked in. I think he came over immediately because of the "optics", see pp.

It's odd to suggest Charles and Diana did not love their children. Have either William or even Harry ever claimed this?

And stayed in a hotel on his own. It just emphasises how far it’s deteriorated, a brief meeting with his father, then off to a hotel to sit on his own, then fly back. Doesn’t see his brother, his unwell sil, his niece or nephews, his aunts or uncles, his cousins or their kids . Even his old friends I suspect he didn’t see. due to the hotel stay.

5 years ago it would be unthinkable, hes just so isolated now, just Megan, Doria, his kids and staff, but he’s done it to himself.

He was. He signed with Obama's agency. Their per speech fee is, or maybe was, $1 million.

He's spoken at things like a California conference where tickets cost $1000.

He's done it before though.

They jetted off on their private plane while the Jubilee parade was happening. He had a car waiting for him at the Abbey the second the Coronation ceremony was finished. I know the excuse was that he was desperate to be back for Archie's birthday but given that he'd have arrived jetlagged long after Archie's bedtime I find that hard to believe.

I agree with an above poster that it's weird. Britain is his home country but he acts as though he'll catch some weird disease if he stays a moment longer than strictly necessary.

Not sure a more than 3 years old puff piece tells us much.

I could say that 'my fee' is a million. Doesn't mean anyone is going to pay that though!

What 'California conference' has he spoken at?

@LindorDoubleChoc I know that he had a speaking engagement, but I still think that it was an emotionally immature decision, because the optics are ridiculous! Dashing over like that when your father is starting treatment (I.e. he isn’t on his deathbed) is what I’d expect an impetuous 19-year-old to do, not a 39-year-old. They’d think about the best way to spend some quality time with their father, I.e., plan a visit for the next couple of weeks, instead of blowing thousands on a 24-hour dash. It’s plain daft.

Not very strong evidence!

They’re so weird.I mean have they not heard of FaceTime?

Evidence of what?

Google it yourself, please!

I feel like Obama's agency signing him shows he had potential as a guest speaker. Not sure how well that's panned out at all, after the ill-advised contents of Spare.

@BruFord @LindorDoubleChoc Not really relevant but I wonder how much he was paid for the NFL prize thing!

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And stayed in a hotel on his own. It just emphasises how far it’s deteriorated, a brief meeting with his father, then off to a hotel to sit on his own, then fly back. Doesn’t see his brother, his unwell sil, his niece or nephews, his aunts or uncles, his cousins or their kids . Even his old friends I suspect he didn’t see. due to the hotel stay.

I suspect one reason/excuse for some of that is his itinerary...30'ish hour stay and his need to get back to the West Coast PDQ and in a reasonable state for the Vegas gig.

Not seeing his unwell sil was a bit unkind but OTOH his body would have been on LAX time and I wouldn't have expected him to have spent the whole of the day of his arrival and then the evening rushing around catching up with everybody...

I could be wrong but my understanding is that he had an after dinner speech where he talked about Diana then Covid hit and nothing since…
In my experience , after dinner speakers are highly amusing or incredibly interesting and I am not convinced that Harry ticks either box .,