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Prince Andrew Was Lying (and Sweating) From The Start, Wasn't He?

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TallerSally · 04/01/2024 14:50

So now we have it, the abject and in all likelihood criminal behaviour of Prince Andrew, still titled Duke of York and still eighth in the line of succession to the British throne, laid out for all to see.

Settled out of court as part of a grotesque cover-up.

Still denying knowing Virginia Giuffre, and presumably Johanna Sjoberg whose breast he allegedly fondled, who are undoubtedly the tip of the iceberg of the girls Prince Andrew and his paedo friend Jeffrey Epstein abused.

Still protected by Buckingham Palace who have gone out of their way to state the accusations as "categorically untrue", as if anyone believes them.

Still supported by the British Royal Family who seem desperate to "rehabilitate him" (and his grifter ex-wife), still living in a Royal Palace presumably at taxpayers expense (i.e. Grifter in Chief), still prancing around at official functions, still oozing a sense of arrogant entitlement, with no-one including King Charles having any sense of courage or moral rectitude to deliver to make him face the consequences of his repugnant actions.

Still being defended by the royal palaces briefing operations and the British media, and by those at ease with shameful double standards on various boards, including this one, who are happy spending their time posting 100'000+ messages a year attacking Meghan and Harry while turning a blind eye to a likely real criminal.

No amount of covering-up will ever rehabilitate Prince Andrew. All it'll do is drag the royal family further down in the esteem of folks with any sense of decency.

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Theasparrot · 04/01/2024 19:50

Whoever posted the photos of young people at Epstein's parties has now gone too far, I believed the photos and the youngsters did look young and that's not a good environment for young people. But and it's a huge but when you put the photo of an adult Ghislane Maxwell and tried to pass it off as a child you have now called into question all of the other photos that you posted.

LauderSyme · 04/01/2024 19:53

@Theasparrot are you being deliberately obtuse or is it your natural state?

Cozzadelsol · 04/01/2024 19:55

A few people on this post seem to be determined to defend Andrew at all costs, so let us just deal in absolute FACT.

FACT He was still very close friends with a convicted paedophile, staying at his home, where he was pictured letting young girls in and out of the property.

FACT he paid someone who accused him of sexual abuse, that he said he never even met, millions of pounds of our money to shut them up.

FACT He has now been accused numerous times in released court documents of taking part in orgies with underage girls.

Yet some women on here continue to defend him. Your excuse, oh well, he hasn't been convicted of anything.

Are you really that gullible?

What would it actually take for you people to realise this creature is a disgusting predator?

Yet the royal family still proect him and rally round him.

If he were my father, brother, or uncle, the FACTS above would make me never have him near me or my family again.

It's times like these that make me hold my head in shame to be British.

OhGetFucked · 04/01/2024 19:58

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/01/2024 15:28

Yes it's hideous, but doubtless the palace have worked out that, if they make one paedophile pal pay too heavily, people might move onto the next one who just happens to have the "top job"

Then there are the details Andrew may be able to release if they upset him too much, so overall it may be thought better to keep him inside the tent pissing out, rather than risk attention spreading to others

It says everything you need to know about a family if they need to keep a human trafficking paedo on side in case he rats them out...

unbelieveable22 · 04/01/2024 20:06

LauderSyme · 04/01/2024 19:53

@Theasparrot are you being deliberately obtuse or is it your natural state?

I think Thea and his/her/its parrot are best ignored.

Theasparrot · 04/01/2024 20:06

LauderSyme · 04/01/2024 19:53

@Theasparrot are you being deliberately obtuse or is it your natural state?

Look at the photos, one of them, the one I reposted is clearly Ghislane Maxwell. She was no child.

TallerSally · 04/01/2024 20:09

Theasparrot · 04/01/2024 19:50

Whoever posted the photos of young people at Epstein's parties has now gone too far, I believed the photos and the youngsters did look young and that's not a good environment for young people. But and it's a huge but when you put the photo of an adult Ghislane Maxwell and tried to pass it off as a child you have now called into question all of the other photos that you posted.

This is the second attempt to mislead and derail. The photos clearly show Virginia Giuffre accompanied by her traffickers and abusers, including Maxwell.

And the Epstein files reveal a third child abuse victim of Prince Andrew and others including the French deviant and prolific paefo Jean Luc Brunel (who conveniently also killed himself while awaiting trial for child sex trafficking - clearly another innocent upstanding man who thought all these girls were willing professional sex workers).

So can we remain focused on the matter at hand, which is unconscionable behaviour by members of the Royal family, the hypocritical excuses made by them and their apologists, and the fact that members of the public are increasingly not buying into the disgraceful cover-up?

All the cover-up is doing is pointing the finger at King Charles and his multiple instances of befriending of paedos, of which Jimmy Saville was one of many.

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Theasparrot · 04/01/2024 20:10

LauderSyme · 04/01/2024 19:53

@Theasparrot are you being deliberately obtuse or is it your natural state?

When photos of adults are posted and certain people are pretending that the adults are children, that's ridiculous. It makes a mockery of the actual children who are being abused and if you cannot see that you are the problem. Those adults in the photos aren't children.

Theasparrot · 04/01/2024 20:12

unbelieveable22 · 04/01/2024 20:06

I think Thea and his/her/its parrot are best ignored.

I'm desperately trying to get people to admit that adults aren't children. Those photos are harmful and are doing no favours to actual abused children. Can't you see the difference.

mamma65432 · 04/01/2024 20:15

There was Mountbatten as well.

Theasparrot · 04/01/2024 20:16

Theasparrot · 04/01/2024 19:30

This child this woman that you think is a child..

This is Ghislane Maxwell

Thatbloodyhedge · 04/01/2024 20:16

Find it amusing Fergie ( whatever her name is ex)
Has been embarrassingly apparent on many shit morning shows recently 😂

Theasparrot · 04/01/2024 20:19

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Tatumm · 04/01/2024 20:20

The whole royal family need to go. It’s time.

BigMandsTattooPortfolio · 04/01/2024 20:26

They will struggle going forward. My niece tells me they are not at all popular among her age group (mid 20s) and that she thought Andrew’s Xmas churchgoing escapade was extremely bad optics. As was William & Catherine’s cringeworthy tour to the Caribbean, dressed up in colonial white at which she was aghast.

SeatonCarew · 04/01/2024 20:30

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/01/2024 15:28

Yes it's hideous, but doubtless the palace have worked out that, if they make one paedophile pal pay too heavily, people might move onto the next one who just happens to have the "top job"

Then there are the details Andrew may be able to release if they upset him too much, so overall it may be thought better to keep him inside the tent pissing out, rather than risk attention spreading to others

I hope you have good lawyers and deep pockets.

DysonSphere · 04/01/2024 20:39

I think Virginia is standing behind Maxwell in that picture if you look carefully. Maxwell is covering her face. Perhaps intentionally so as to block her from the camera? I'm speculating.

If you look at Naomi's face in the two photos she's clearlyHmm at her obvious under-ageness. It's interesting that there aren't any full on photos of Giuffre in the party. Perhaps she was manoeuvred to be out of sight as much as possible.

DysonSphere · 04/01/2024 20:40

That was to @Theasparrot

TallerSally · 04/01/2024 20:43

Everyone should read this, even though it’ll make stomachs churn.

Utterly shocking.

As was Buckingham Palace’s official statement at the time:

“The Duke of York has been appalled by the recent reports of Jeffrey Epstein’s alleged crimes.
“His Royal Highness deplores the exploitation of any human being and the suggestion he would condone, participate in or encourage any such behaviour is abhorrent.”

Maybe it’s time for them to change strategy, as I don’t think anyone is buying their shameful BS denials (apart from the apologists working overtime on these boards)

Prince Andrew will never, ever be rehabilitated, as he is an unrepentant grifter in denial of his child sex abuse crimes and living in hiding in tax-payer funded royal palaces feeling smug.

And a PP’s post about how Gen Y and Z are viewing the apologetic and hypocritical conduct of the Royal family in relation to Prince Andrew is spot on.

They continue with this stance at their peril.

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LauderSyme · 04/01/2024 20:43

@Theasparrot The point of posting the photo of Ghislaine Maxwell is NOT to try and pretend she is a child. Nobody said she is a child.

It is to point out that these pictures -together with all the evidence accrued thus far - prove that Epstein and Maxwell revelled in the sexual exploitation of minors, and created a world in which they and their associates could criminally satisfy themselves without constraint.

Maxwell procured these girls for Epstein to abuse and was convicted of sex trafficking. Maxwell was Prince Andrews' close friend since University days. In the Newsnight interview he tried to distance himself from Epstein by claiming that the financier was merely Ghislaine's plus-one.

So Prince Andrew's close friend of decades standing is a convicted sex offender, serving 20 years in prison for sexually trafficking minors, several of whom testified in court that she abused them too.

We all witnessed Prince Andrew lying about meeting and having sex with Virginia Giuffre. We know he settled out of court for £12 million. Innocent people fight for their day in court - unless to do so would crush them financially.

And you want to pretend that without a watertight court conviction he is being unfairly vilified? Seriously, wake up.

stillavid · 04/01/2024 20:46

Andrew is clearly vile.

But I really think the way it was handled shows that the late Queen should have abdicated about 30 years ago as it was managed so badly.

But then this is why hereditary royal families are utter madness.

TallerSally · 04/01/2024 20:49

Prince Andrew was accused of participating in an “underage orgy” on sex offender Jeffrey Epstein’s private island, according to a newly-unsealed court document.
A 2014 court filing — included in the nearly 1,000 pages of documents that Manhattan federal Judge Loretta Preska ordered released last month — alleges an underage girl, only identified as “Jane Doe 3,” was “forced to have sexual relations with this Prince when she was a minor in three separate geographical locations.”

https://nypost.com/2024/01/04/news/prince-andrew-accused-of-having-underage-orgy-on-jeffrey-epsteins-private-island/

Prince Andrew accused of having ‘underage orgy’ on Jeffrey Epstein’s private island

Prince Andrew was accused of participating in an “underage orgy” on sex offender Jeffrey Epstein’s private island, according to a newly-unsealed court document.

https://nypost.com/2024/01/04/news/prince-andrew-accused-of-having-underage-orgy-on-jeffrey-epsteins-private-island/

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DysonSphere · 04/01/2024 20:51

I'm slightly confused by the thread. The unsealing has revealed nothing new. Jane Doe 3 is Giuffre herself, no?

There's no further evidence of him actually having done anything beyond what he was already accused of.

Roussette · 04/01/2024 20:53

Well said @LauderSyme Photos of GMaxwell are quite obviously her. She is distinctive, she's been in the media enough!

We have to remember that Andrew took Maxwell and Epstein (and Weinstein) into the heart of the Royal Family. Maxwell posed on a royal throne. Maxwell and JE sat in the log cabin at Balmoral that was the Queen's hang out. They have been to Sandringham, Windsor Castle, Buckingham Palace and Balmoral. They partied with the Royals, went on shooting weekends, mixed with the Royals at Ascot and more.

Weinstein is in prison for 16 years. Maxwell 20 years. For rape, sexual trafficking, procurement. And Epstein would have been in for life if he hadn't died in prison.

And these are the people that Andrew clung on to and schmoozed. Yet just a week or so ago he is on a press and PR walk to Church with the rest of the RF. You couldn't make it up. He has done the most damage to the Monarchy and what it stands for.