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Prince Andrew Was Lying (and Sweating) From The Start, Wasn't He?

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TallerSally · 04/01/2024 14:50

So now we have it, the abject and in all likelihood criminal behaviour of Prince Andrew, still titled Duke of York and still eighth in the line of succession to the British throne, laid out for all to see.

Settled out of court as part of a grotesque cover-up.

Still denying knowing Virginia Giuffre, and presumably Johanna Sjoberg whose breast he allegedly fondled, who are undoubtedly the tip of the iceberg of the girls Prince Andrew and his paedo friend Jeffrey Epstein abused.

Still protected by Buckingham Palace who have gone out of their way to state the accusations as "categorically untrue", as if anyone believes them.

Still supported by the British Royal Family who seem desperate to "rehabilitate him" (and his grifter ex-wife), still living in a Royal Palace presumably at taxpayers expense (i.e. Grifter in Chief), still prancing around at official functions, still oozing a sense of arrogant entitlement, with no-one including King Charles having any sense of courage or moral rectitude to deliver to make him face the consequences of his repugnant actions.

Still being defended by the royal palaces briefing operations and the British media, and by those at ease with shameful double standards on various boards, including this one, who are happy spending their time posting 100'000+ messages a year attacking Meghan and Harry while turning a blind eye to a likely real criminal.

No amount of covering-up will ever rehabilitate Prince Andrew. All it'll do is drag the royal family further down in the esteem of folks with any sense of decency.

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Soontobe60 · 04/01/2024 20:55

Startingagainandagain · 04/01/2024 16:09

Frankly the fact that millions (of taxpayer money...) were paid in a settlement speaks volume.

If there was nothing dodgy they would not have needed to settle out of court.

This is a scandal that is not going away.

If he genuinely had simply had a few drinks with Epstein and it was a case of him being naive/dumb, he could simply have admitted a big error of judgement in having him as an acquaintance and that he had never witnessed and taken part in anything dodgy. he could have said he would happily cooperate in any investigation.

After all it is very likely that many celebrities innocently attended events where nothing happened and that the sexual activities with young girls took place at specific parties with selected guest who knew exactly what they were doing...

Not everyone who knew Epstein socially would have been aware of the wrong-doings.

But in Andrew's case it really looks like there is more to it than just a poor choice of friend and that it is possible he engaged in sexual relations.

Wether he thought they were willing, adult professionals who just naturally gravitate around rich men (let's not pretend that is not a common occurrence) rather than trafficked young girls who were forced into it, that's for the law to find out.

People settle out of court in civil cases a great deal of the time, for several reasons. Mainly, the balance or probability in civil cases is far lower meaning that a case could be found against an innocent person far easier. Even in criminal cases people plead guilty to a lesser charge in order to avoid a harsher sentence - look at the current case of the post Office where at least one postmaster pleaded guilty to avoid going to prison, when she absolutely was not guilty.
Settling out of court is not an admission of guilt.
No doubt PA is a sleaze ball, but in the eyes of the law is not a criminal.

Samcro · 04/01/2024 20:56

It is absolutely sickening to see people trying to defend A.
he has had years to clear his name . Yet he paid millions to a survivor.
how any one can defend him is mind boggling.
this will cause major problems for the royal family.

LauderSyme · 04/01/2024 20:57

To be fair this isn't a Royal problem.

It is a problem of abusive and entitled toxic masculinity, which objectifies females as existing purely to serve male desire and which is generated, permitted and supported by our patriarchal misogynistic culture.

Roussette · 04/01/2024 20:59

I think it is both Lauder.

Jamjaris · 04/01/2024 21:00

The royal family are too scared of casting him adrift incase he talks, he would open his mouth enraged his entitled existence is at an end.

Crazycrazylady · 04/01/2024 21:07

pickledandpuzzled · 04/01/2024 15:39

I haven’t read the threads or recent news. Going from the impression of the time- when sex trafficking was not understood the way it is now- it just looked like a man who partied in the kinds of circles where hostesses were expected at parties. As in, a man going to a party with beautiful women available for sex, would have assumed they were paid and chose to be there. He would have assumed it was ‘consensual’. He was viewed as a playboy- always.

I know that consent can’t be bought and we now understand how girls end up groomed and trafficked into those situations. People didn’t then, and some still wouldn’t now.

It still makes him a sleaze and it’s grim, but he wouldn’t have thought he was a pedophile or a trafficker. There are people who think sex work is ok. He would have considered them sex workers, not groomed children

I agree with this. I think that many of these rich powerful men would never for one second believe that anyone would have to be coerced to sleep with them. It's clear that Randy Andy believed that everyone wanted him
It's why its going to be next to impossible to charge any of them despite their behaviour.

BlardyUseless · 04/01/2024 21:09

I think he truly believes that he has done nothing wrong and that teenage girls would naturally want to have sex with a Prince.
As she was over the age of UK's consent he probably thought he was doing nothing wrong but at the very least how could he not see how grim it was having sex with a teenager barely older than his daughters.

He's grim as hell

Nofilteritwonthelp · 04/01/2024 21:16

Maybe controversial, but statistically all families will eventually have a dodgy family member, why would the RF be any different? Racist grandfather, numerous affairs and scandals, mental illness etc. Just seems like your average family surely?

Roussette · 04/01/2024 21:20

Good grief! My family are nothing like that! A couple of divorces and that's it!

DontListenToWhatYouveConsumed · 04/01/2024 21:24

@Nofilteritwonthelp your average family aren't propped up by tax payers in quite the same way even if you claim benefits.......

DysonSphere · 04/01/2024 21:26

It's a male entitlement problem compounded by wealth and class status.

PA truly would never for a moment have thought Giuffre was anything other than elated and indeed highly favoured for having the opportunity to sleep with him. A (then relatively handsome) Prince. Girl all your dreams have come true!! I am willing to bet money he thought 'that girl is going to remember me fondly for the rest of her life, and thus happy to take a photo with her to keep as a cherished momento! Grown women were in fact throwing themselves at him during this stage and with none of the usual insecurities other men with less wealth and status have to deal with, he would have assumed Giuffre was just another such one desperate to 'get' with him. She was barely legal as UK law went. And that's all he would have cared about.

The PP is correct, the times were different when Andre was in his Prime. The joke of the dirty old man and the dirty old Uncle was ubiquitous then. Like something you just had to expect. The Sun had girls aged what? 15 or 16 on Page 3. That didn't finish until way into the 2000s. Shockingly.

Andrew was spoilt terribly. Neither Anne, Charles or Edward were/are as badly behaved. He was ruined and apparently never castigated for some rather mean behaviour growing up. He's a victim of too much privilege.

It's not ok. But again the interview - and I followed the thread on MN as it aired and everyone was cringing and wondering who set him up because he surely couldn't be so unaware that his responses spelled DOWNFALL in big, neon letters - showed his gigantic lack of self-awareness.

Crazycrazylady · 04/01/2024 21:42

I have a certain sympathy for his family. I can imagine the story he has spun them. He never for one second thought she was coerced. He was stupid and naive etc etc he was always being propositioned..

I can see that it a much loved younger brother came to me with a similar story dating back many years but blaming youth and stupidity and appearing remorseful. I'm not sure it's a given I would cut him off immediately and never to be spoken to again . ??

I've seen family members forgiven for worse on here eg domestic violence etc

It does seem very public though. ( but suppose it's hard to hide given who they are)

GingerbuiscuitandNinjapanda · 04/01/2024 21:47

Well said! 👏

TallerSally · 04/01/2024 22:12

I can see that it a much loved younger brother came to me with a similar story dating back many years but blaming youth and stupidity and appearing remorseful. I'm not sure it's a given I would cut him off immediately and never to be spoken to again . ??

I’m sorry @Crazycrazylady , what?????????

We’re not talking about a bit of shoplifting here. We’re talking about multiple rapes of underage girls! Ok unlike Fred and Rose West, Andrew and his paedo friends didn’t murder the girls after abusing them, but surely no-one needs to reiterate that statutory rape and child sex trafficking are very serious crimes, which cause lifelong damage to the victims and their families?

So, no! Not everyone has criminal child rapists in their family! And as to expressing remorse, or cutting ties, I’m not sure we’re talking about the same case here? This case is about Andrew The Entitled and King Double-Standards Charles The Enabler, not some nonexistent repentant versions.

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mickybarrysmum · 04/01/2024 22:33

The lady PA paid off was very young but not underage have more victims come forward?When I was 17/19 I went out regularly with older men and willingly went as I enjoyed it and always had a good time,
I'd be heart broken if my own daughter did the same and luckily the culture has changed enough that it isn't the norm.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/01/2024 22:50

SeatonCarew · 04/01/2024 20:30

I hope you have good lawyers and deep pockets.

I'm always willing to be surprised, but not sure why I'd need either

That both Andrew and Charles have an unfortunate habit of befriending paedophiles is a proven fact - hence why I referred to them being "paedophile pals" as opposed to actual offenders themselves - and people switching attention from one to another is hardly anything new

Admittedly it was speculation that Andrew may have inside dirt to spill, but then that may be just another reason he'll never be pressed too far

OhGetFucked · 04/01/2024 23:22

Nofilteritwonthelp · 04/01/2024 21:16

Maybe controversial, but statistically all families will eventually have a dodgy family member, why would the RF be any different? Racist grandfather, numerous affairs and scandals, mental illness etc. Just seems like your average family surely?

Yes but most families wouldn't then put out a statement of defence to everyone they know. The RF are utterly shameless in their conviction that their accident of birth renders them both better and smarter than the rest of us.

unbelieveable22 · 04/01/2024 23:38

keylemon · 04/01/2024 19:26

@Theasparrot You have not idea the agenda of some posters here. The obsession against the RF is something else. Hate for the royals and unconditional love for M & H. Lol

In the real world people are less black and white. Open to discuss and question and see different perspectives.

You seriously think this is about agendas or some obsession and hate against the family?
Andrew has admitted to continuing his friendship with Epstein following his conviction for procuring a child for prostitution. In the real world that is black and white. No ambiguity. No different perspectives needed. The commentary from some parents(?) here is mind boggling at times.

I haven't read too much on this to date but it seems some wagons may be circling around Andrew in an attempt to protect Charles. The family have already shown where their loyalty lies and may need to make some adjustments.🙂
More damage as a result of poor and shocking choices.
Charles cannot risk having his close friendships with Mountbatten, Ball, Saville, Von der Post examined too closely.

Any insight from 'the experts' yet?

LumiB · 04/01/2024 23:38

I don't understand why the RF keel defending him especially now, if its as suggested by another poster that he might rat on them, well that just undermines their attempts to always look like they are good people who don't do abhorrent things.

Well well well, this just ruins their wholesome perception.
Shame on them all.

SparklingBubbly · 05/01/2024 00:10

I didn’t have a problem with him going to church, he needs it, he should move in 😅

SparklingBubbly · 05/01/2024 00:16

Apparently he’s going to be needing new accommodation soon, according to insiders it’s made KC even more determined to evict him from Royal Lodge 👀 maybe @Theasparrot has a spare room

BlardyUseless · 05/01/2024 01:02

@mickybarrysmum

She was 17 at the time and the US's age of consent is 18 although she was trafficked which means there was mo true consent anyway

Themountainwithsnowonit · 05/01/2024 01:15

mickybarrysmum · 04/01/2024 22:33

The lady PA paid off was very young but not underage have more victims come forward?When I was 17/19 I went out regularly with older men and willingly went as I enjoyed it and always had a good time,
I'd be heart broken if my own daughter did the same and luckily the culture has changed enough that it isn't the norm.

The young girls we are talking about here were trafficked. It's an entirely different scenario.

FishBowlSwimmer · 05/01/2024 04:40

Whilst I agree that Andrew is a lying, perverted, self important twat, who should be kept far, far away from RF publicly. I know that this thread has a hidden agenda to be another M&H support/Abolish the RF thread. There's so many inaccuracies in this thread I don't know where to begin. I will say this though HMTQ was incredibly rich in her own right, not all their money is tax payers money. Also the RF are not allowed to sell property that belongs to the state without permission. They are however perfectly entitled to spend their personal money how they wish and sell privately owned property, whether you agree with it or not.

queentim · 05/01/2024 06:13

Reading what I have has made me sick.

I can't believe there are people trying to defend these people. Truly disgusting and depraved.

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