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Sisterpita · 11/12/2023 09:31

speedtalker · 11/12/2023 09:21

I’ve been fascinated by the whole circus surrounding the denial of responsibility by Scobie with a foreign edition. What do people think of the Dutch royal reporter Rick Evers on twitter (can’t seem to link, sorry) that their new edition, post book bonfire, has now ‘hundreds’ of new amendments. Do you think they might amend any future print runs of English editions, as presumably lawyers have been pouring over the original Dutch transcript and playing it very safe. But as has been detailed here, it’s not the UK publishers handling the UK version, so why only change one foreign language version?

I think it’s fairly clear that the Dutch version was a pre legal check so also before the final proofread. The uk version was the post legal, proofread version so it’s not surprising there are 100s of amendments, some will be very minor.

themessygarden · 11/12/2023 09:33

Well, this is a spectacular own goal, bloody hell !!

Reading comments that 'M refused a black guy a promotion' 'Meghan is the racist' etc, etc. This is oould be the ultimate of all their PR disasters, (if this is indeed true) and another massive lie told in the Oprah interview and Netflix.

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 11/12/2023 09:35

that makes 4 people including H who could have helped Meghan to learn the national anthem

5 if you include Google.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 11/12/2023 09:37

themessygarden · 11/12/2023 09:33

Well, this is a spectacular own goal, bloody hell !!

Reading comments that 'M refused a black guy a promotion' 'Meghan is the racist' etc, etc. This is oould be the ultimate of all their PR disasters, (if this is indeed true) and another massive lie told in the Oprah interview and Netflix.

HM's equerry, no less. Personal aide to the monarch, which would give MM direct access to HM if she needed it.

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 11/12/2023 09:38

It is funny seeing a similar situation play out on this thread.

ArcaneWireless · 11/12/2023 09:39

Reading the list of people who were put forward to help and were turned down?

No help indeed.

Consider lying arses well and truly bitten. 🌱

speedtalker · 11/12/2023 09:39

Ah, so you think all the changes now align with the Uk version? I’d wondered if they’d been watered down further, but that makes more sense.

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 11/12/2023 09:41

“I doubt Kate was offered an equerry [for guidance],” the author claims a friend told the Duchess of Sussex.

The above from the Page 6 article. And herein again lies the rub. The direct comparison to Catherine, when they entered the RF at very different times and at very different stages of their respective lives, and the assumption that MM should have a fully equal position from the off to her sister in law.

Catherine grew up in the UK with background knowledge of royal pomp and tradition; entered the royal circle when she was barely out of teens; spent a good 10 years before marriage getting to know the institution; settled into her married role, rightly or wrongly, knowing where she stood in the pecking order (rightly, if you regard the institution as a place of employment); created a role for herself through the early years stuff and in conjunction with W and H within the Royal Foundation (which includes Invictus); and generally she learned the role from the ground up over nearly 20 years before MM arrived.

MM arrived as a woman in her late 30s, no background in the UK or RF, but wanted to hit the ground running. Well, that's not going to happen in any successful way without help. She didn't want to be taught, and there's no evidence that she was interested in learning. She wanted to come in, take over boss lady like, and change everything, with no understanding of what she was changing.

There's a quotation in a book I read as a child that always stays with me. Along the lines of, "Confront the system, and it will crush you. Outwit the system, and you will reap the rewards."

I remember everyone loving her when she first arrived. She's have had the world at her feet is she had outwitted the system. If she had been willing to just watch, learn, understand, take her time and then start introducing changes through sensible suggestions of modernisation, strategic hiring, making allegiances with like minded royals etc, she'd have it all now.

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MrsFinkelstein · 11/12/2023 09:42

Rockybooboo · 11/12/2023 08:20

I wonder why it's come to light now. She left the UK four years ago.

Because Omid Scobie discussed it in his newly released book.

ArcaneWireless · 11/12/2023 09:42

It always puzzles me somewhat that an actress - them wot learn lines as part of their living - needs help to learn the lines to a song. 🌱

jeffgoldblum · 11/12/2023 09:45

Perhaps she thought that the family didn't have to sing it?

jeffgoldblum · 11/12/2023 09:46

In the same vein as being surprised that family showed deference to the queen?

Maireas · 11/12/2023 09:48

jeffgoldblum · 11/12/2023 09:45

Perhaps she thought that the family didn't have to sing it?

A cursory glance at any royal event would show them all in full sing song.
I suppose you have to make an effort to find stuff out.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 11/12/2023 09:48

ArcaneWireless · 11/12/2023 09:42

It always puzzles me somewhat that an actress - them wot learn lines as part of their living - needs help to learn the lines to a song. 🌱

And it's not as if the national anthem is that difficult to learn, given that it's 7 lines and 28 words in the first verse, four of the lines end with King (or Queen) and the other three lines have rhymes at the end and that's all anybody ever sings. Basically it's a glorified nursery rhyme.

Maireas · 11/12/2023 09:50

Or that Prince Andrew was the Queen's assistant. Even though she said she met Eugenie before she met Harry. She knew Fergie and had been to Royal Lodge, the Yorks home. Strange.

themessygarden · 11/12/2023 09:51

Perhaps she thought that the family didn't have to sing it?

😂

ArcaneWireless · 11/12/2023 09:51

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 11/12/2023 09:35

that makes 4 people including H who could have helped Meghan to learn the national anthem

5 if you include Google.

Google? 😁

A wonderful contraption. When you don’t know much about someone or something, Google is marvellous.

It probably would point out that a Prince might be a better bet than a footballer.

If one chose to use it. 🌱

Maireas · 11/12/2023 09:53

a prince might be a better bet than a footballer
Indeed, @ArcaneWireless ....

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 11/12/2023 09:55

Maireas · 11/12/2023 09:50

Or that Prince Andrew was the Queen's assistant. Even though she said she met Eugenie before she met Harry. She knew Fergie and had been to Royal Lodge, the Yorks home. Strange.

I've never understood why this little nugget (from Spare, I think) is supposed to be endearing rather than a demonstration of plain ignorance.

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Hughs · 11/12/2023 10:00

You can still choose who you to respond to of course just as I am entitled to report you if I feel uncomfortable about what you're doing.

Can I ask out of curiosity @Rockybooboo - how come someone posting a gif of Audrey 2 makes you feel uncomfortable to the point of reporting the post? And what reason did you give for reporting it?

ArcaneWireless · 11/12/2023 10:01

Maireas · 11/12/2023 09:50

Or that Prince Andrew was the Queen's assistant. Even though she said she met Eugenie before she met Harry. She knew Fergie and had been to Royal Lodge, the Yorks home. Strange.

Tangled webs we weave and that 🤷🏽‍♀️ 🌱

Serenster · 11/12/2023 10:06

“I doubt Kate was offered an equerry [for guidance],” the author claims a friend told the Duchess of Sussex.

Well, she kind of did - Kate had the assistance of Jamie Lowther-Pinkerton, who was her and William’s Private Secretary after her marriage, and who had been in that role for William since 2005. He had been the Queen’s equerry previously.

Plus Kate had the Queen who apparently was delighted that she was coachable, plus William. So she probably had her needs met.

MrsFinkelstein · 11/12/2023 10:08

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 11/12/2023 09:55

I've never understood why this little nugget (from Spare, I think) is supposed to be endearing rather than a demonstration of plain ignorance.

My interpretation was that it was to show how "innocent & naive" she was to all this Royal Family stuff. She never googled them, she knew nothing about them. Innocent lamb thrown in amongst the Lions.

It works if you think about it in the vein of a Hallmark Movie Special or The Princess Diaries (UK Edition).

Outwith those lenses it just seems...irrational.

Rockybooboo · 11/12/2023 10:11

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 11/12/2023 08:58

@Rockybooboo This is the 4th thread of a very long discussion we have been having, which you have just chosen to enter very recently, and posters are going to post things you might not understand. I'm aghast that you would ask for posts to be deleted, just because you don't get them and they make you uncomfortable - are you the only person that counts on these threads? You said to me, when I said I didn't know what you were talking about in one of your posts, to look it up on google. I suggest you do the same and stop policing other peoples' posts.

'You said to me, when I said I didn't know what you were talking about in one of your posts, to look it up on google. I suggest you do the same and stop policing other peoples' posts.'

I doubt the meaning of the GIFs on this thread are documented anywhere in Google. Maybe you can point me in the direction of I'm wrong.

Why are you aghast that I flagged up something that I'm uncomfortable with? There are Talk Guidelines. I don't police the guidelines, Mumsnet do and they obviously agree that putting some obscure GIF on a thread and then ignoring a request for an explanation is against those guidelines.

I don't think I'm the only person on this as everyone has the right to reports posts that they think might break guidelines, they won't always result in a deletion as that is up to Mumsnet.

The time I joined the thread is irrelevant. Anyone can join a conversation at any time as it's a public forum.

smilesy · 11/12/2023 10:12

Serenster · 11/12/2023 10:06

“I doubt Kate was offered an equerry [for guidance],” the author claims a friend told the Duchess of Sussex.

Well, she kind of did - Kate had the assistance of Jamie Lowther-Pinkerton, who was her and William’s Private Secretary after her marriage, and who had been in that role for William since 2005. He had been the Queen’s equerry previously.

Plus Kate had the Queen who apparently was delighted that she was coachable, plus William. So she probably had her needs met.

I think that Meghan wanted the Queen because everything the Sussex have ever said seemed to make an effort to show how close they were to the late Queen and how important they were in her eyes. (I suspect that is behind a lot of the recent backpedaling and attempts to show they are in contact with the King as he is now the boss). One of the problems with that though is that the Queen was a lot older than when Catherine was first on the scene, so she may not have had the energy or the inclination to show a newbie the ropes.

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