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RecoIIectionsMayVary · 11/12/2023 07:27

There are issues of race the palace needs to address like the lack of diversity in the household

I'm always intrigued on how this is achieved.

I agree with the latter, but in KC recent visit to Africa he has begun to approach past behaviour .

Rockybooboo · 11/12/2023 07:28

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 11/12/2023 07:11

IT is a serious comment. The agenda from the beginning of Harry and his supporters, the agenda behind Endgame, is not to bring down the RF, but to replace its leadership with H&M. He's not giving up his titles for no reason. @BreadInCaptivity has articulated the matter very well.

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Where's the proof that there is agenda to replace The Royal family? I don't want him to be king!

cauliflowerwaterfall · 11/12/2023 07:33

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 11/12/2023 07:27

There are issues of race the palace needs to address like the lack of diversity in the household

I'm always intrigued on how this is achieved.

I agree with the latter, but in KC recent visit to Africa he has begun to approach past behaviour .

There are lots of ways they can try to make it more appealing to people from ethnic minorities. eg there was meant to be a diversity tsar but that seemed to go nowhere.

Maireas · 11/12/2023 07:40

cauliflowerwaterfall · 10/12/2023 23:35

There are issues of race the palace needs to address like the lack of diversity in the household & coming to terms with the institution’s role in slavery… but thanks to those 2 jokers in Montecito the topic will never be taken seriously again

I think that you make a very good point, these are serious issues. By their contradictory behaviour, Harry and Meghan haven't succeeded in changing or challenging anything.

NovemberAutumn · 11/12/2023 07:43

but.. they won an award for challenging it!

(Sorry... can't help myself).

Maireas · 11/12/2023 07:45

NovemberAutumn · 11/12/2023 07:43

but.. they won an award for challenging it!

(Sorry... can't help myself).

Ah yes The Ripple of Hope Award for challenging the racism within the royal family. You've got to wonder, haven't you. Do you think they have no self reflection at all?

themessygarden · 11/12/2023 07:48

I can't put the recycling out without one of the bastards snapping me in my PJs.

😂😂😂

NovemberAutumn · 11/12/2023 07:52

Maireas · 11/12/2023 07:45

Ah yes The Ripple of Hope Award for challenging the racism within the royal family. You've got to wonder, haven't you. Do you think they have no self reflection at all?

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I honestly do not think that self reflection is their strong point. They just react without thinking things through IMO.

I confess I am disappointed in how things worked out. I was definitely Team Meghan before the wedding - especially considering how appallingly her father / half sister / half brother behaved beforehand. I thought she was stoic, resilient and so brave to carry on through all of that. But I do think they have both behaved so badly. And they are both old enough to know better.

BethDuttonsTwin · 11/12/2023 07:54

cauliflowerwaterfall · 10/12/2023 23:35

There are issues of race the palace needs to address like the lack of diversity in the household & coming to terms with the institution’s role in slavery… but thanks to those 2 jokers in Montecito the topic will never be taken seriously again

Isn’t just them to be fair. The whole academic emphasis (critical) and attached overwhelming negativity around addressing race issues has made it impossible to have a balanced conversation around such matters. It’s very depressing. This is another reason I suspect that a Meghan is not particularly intelligent and has very little clue on what Being Black means - and I capitalise that in the most respectful way. I think all she saw was a useful way to garner maximum attention and exit the RF with no criticism or blame and I think she told Harry they should do this and he didn’t question it. Or he was one of those people who get very excitable on introduction to these ideas and completely overreact while not knowing enough to understand his position in the discussion - you see it all the time on here. I don’t think it was entirely their fault though, they were strenuously encouraged by Oprah et al who we now see has distanced herself from the whole sorry mess because she recognises it went too far. M had no idea the dragon she was unleashing, or thought she could use it for her own ends and then shoo it away, and that is why I suspect she had never really understood what it was like to go through life as a Black Woman - certainly not a famous one.

Maireas · 11/12/2023 08:00

My thoughts exactly, @NovemberAutumn .

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Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 11/12/2023 08:08

The Palace needs to try harder to reflect modern day Britain but if this is accurate then it’s a shame.

So according to that page 6 piece, not only was there at least one person of colour in a senior role in the RF, but that person, an extremely experienced man of colour in a highly trusted position in the royal household, was denied a role because of his race - denied by MM.

And, if Tina Brown is to be believed, an extremely, extremely experienced elderly white woman was denied a role, based on her age and skin colour, as having nothing to tell MM about palace life. So racist and ageist on the part of MM. And, conversely, implies that MM was unable to learn from a white woman for some reason. As if she's not very bright - extremely insulting to her, as she is mixed race and has married a white man; and even if she wasn't, it implies black people can't learn from white people about things wholly unconnected with skin colour, which is patronising, infantilising and racist.

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NovemberAutumn · 11/12/2023 08:11

Excellent points @Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar

Rockybooboo · 11/12/2023 08:12

Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 11/12/2023 07:08

Do you know how evidence works? How many victims have a tape recorder of a crime? Do they just go to court an be automatically believed? Of course not.

The party to the conversation who claimed racism can give a full and frank account of what was said to them. The accused can give a rebuttal if they so wish. We can then weigh it up on either a beyond reasonable doubt, or a more sympathetic balance of probabilities basis. I don't know how many times you need to be told this: the people alluding to racism have put forward absolutely no evidence of racism, and one of them has, on record, denied racism. Until such time as full and frank evidence of what occurred is put forward, nobody can be found guilty of racism. Which is why, throwing around hints aNDS Innuendo casually, in a febrile societal atmosphere of racial tension, is at best irresponsible, at worst, downright dangerous.

Your second paragraph: I don't even know what you are talking about, apart from Clarkson, who is a knob. But once again, the reference to the Tower is not literal.

Your third paragraph: I assume you are accusing me of being right wing. Believe it or not, I don't take that to be the scary insult you think it is. However, my comment is not based on a "wing" because I don't have one. It's based on my experience and observations over the last couple of years as a woman of colour (an experience I'm going to guess you know nothing about), what I hear other people of colour think about the matter, and my knowledge of what BLM is based on as a political movement, which is cultural and political Marxism, with the requisite Animal Farm-esque status afforded to its leaders.

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I haven't accused you of anything. I quoted your words .

If you don't know what I'm talking about in my second paragraph, you do have the option of searching the internet as all the information is there or you just be rude and dismissive.

cocolocopocos · 11/12/2023 08:17

Meghan's decision to take 'offence' at the appointment of the black equerry is interesting.

Rockybooboo · 11/12/2023 08:20

cocolocopocos · 11/12/2023 08:17

Meghan's decision to take 'offence' at the appointment of the black equerry is interesting.

I wonder why it's come to light now. She left the UK four years ago.

Serenster · 11/12/2023 08:21

Given this and another article earlier this week I think various royal reporters may have decided that they will go with various stories they’ve been sitting on for a while?

cocolocopocos · 11/12/2023 08:22

The equerry story (mentioned in the US tabloid link above) was apparently discussed in Omid's book

Serenster · 11/12/2023 08:23

Or, the whole Endgame future has meant some of the journalists’ sources have decided to share more with them about Meghan’s time at the Palace?

I have no idea, but both are possible.

tattychicken · 11/12/2023 08:24

I think it was in Scobie's book?

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Mymilkshakebringsallthepapstomycar · 11/12/2023 08:24

Rockybooboo · 11/12/2023 08:20

I wonder why it's come to light now. She left the UK four years ago.

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Because it is talked about in Endgame.

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Serenster · 11/12/2023 08:24

Gosh - would Omid not have realised what a double-edged sword that story is, though?

Rockybooboo · 11/12/2023 08:26

I haven't got to that bit obviously.

cocolocopocos · 11/12/2023 08:27

Serenster · 11/12/2023 08:24

Gosh - would Omid not have realised what a double-edged sword that story is, though?

That whole book is a veritable cabinet full of double-edged swords

MalagaNights · 11/12/2023 08:33

That article conveys: no one was good enough to advise Meghan.
And she judges people on their age and the colour of their skin.

She wasn't interested in anyone's experience or forming a genuine connection, she was interested in: how much like me are you?

It's a gross example of how corrosive identity politics has become in how people like Meghan no longer see individuals they just see a collection of identity markers which they feel free to judge and reject people based upon.
It's just old fashioned racism rebranded.

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