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Surely H&M will have to dis-own these friends who have spoken out?

180 replies

Romanceisntdead · 28/11/2023 17:20

The info in the OS book is only what your closest friends or family would know.

If they have spilled the info surely they would have asked H&M first?

Some of it is so extremely personal.

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ThePoshUns · 29/11/2023 21:15

PutinSmellsPassItOn · 29/11/2023 21:07

Didn't see anyone speaking out when Megan was being torn to shreds for existing and eating avocados 🤷‍♀️

Have you not been on a royal family thread before. Lots of posters defend Meghan.

grayhairdontcare · 29/11/2023 21:32

It's about the only time I've ever agreed with piers Morgan

Mylovelygreendress · 29/11/2023 22:08

PutinSmellsPassItOn · 29/11/2023 21:07

Didn't see anyone speaking out when Megan was being torn to shreds for existing and eating avocados 🤷‍♀️

Is this your first time on the RF Board ?? There are lots of posters who think Meghan is simply wonderful and the rest of the RF are horrible .,

Ohnoooooooo · 29/11/2023 22:11

funbags3 · 29/11/2023 13:02

When I had children, I wondered what beautiful shade of brown they'd be. Context is everything though. Did they ask because they were worried or just curious?

Me too! I am not a fan of Charles but I would really have to see evidence of someone being racist pondering a child's skin colour.
With Harry so fair - I am betting H&M were wondering the colourings of their own children its only natural.

LuluBlakey1 · 29/11/2023 22:41

I am very fair skinned- pale and freckled- with fine blonde hair and blue eyes. DH is very dark-skinned with almost black thick hair and dark green eyes. We have 3 DC and there was much discussion every time by PIL (and us) about how fair/dark they would be and who had 'the strongest' genes. My dad came from a family of 12 redheads- we wondered if that might appear.

Turns out (unsurprisingly) they are a mix of us both- hair shaded from blonde to mouse to very dark brown, skin from pale and freckly to dark.

No one was offended. It wasn't national news. It's what happens in families.

LuluBlakey1 · 29/11/2023 22:46

goldennavy · 29/11/2023 20:44

Who did he name?

It's on Twitter- the clip of him naming them.

Frasers · 30/11/2023 06:56

The whole thing is just aappalling. It is hugely clear the Sussex’s collaborated with this book, and that the Dutch had an early version that named names and an error was made and the wrong version translated and published.

why don’t they move on. What is it with these constant attacks on the royal family. And then trying to wheedle their way back in for crimbo at Sandringham as they know that will get them more attention and profile.

I understand they are becoming meaningless, doing little of note, no careers, and it’s all back fired on them. But surely to god the pair of them can think of some other way rather than piggy backing on the royal connections.

the only way out of this is for them to put out a statement saying the names are wrong, they denounce the book and urge folks not to buy it. Not doing so is validation in itself.

OnGoldenPond · 30/11/2023 10:29

funbags3 · 28/11/2023 17:22

I thought this was about the shop then noticed the thread. I couldn't work out what you were on about.

Glad it's not just me! Grin

caringcarer · 30/11/2023 11:12

labmum567 · 29/11/2023 12:11

Surely this "racist" comment is all about context. For examples "I wonder if the baby will be a red head like you or dark like Megan". Compared to "I hope the baby's red like you and not dark like Megan". Similar words but mean very different things. Obviously I'm completely making up the comments. Just an example of how things can be said

Exactly. I don't think Charles or Catherine are racists.

caringcarer · 30/11/2023 11:15

Frasers · 30/11/2023 06:56

The whole thing is just aappalling. It is hugely clear the Sussex’s collaborated with this book, and that the Dutch had an early version that named names and an error was made and the wrong version translated and published.

why don’t they move on. What is it with these constant attacks on the royal family. And then trying to wheedle their way back in for crimbo at Sandringham as they know that will get them more attention and profile.

I understand they are becoming meaningless, doing little of note, no careers, and it’s all back fired on them. But surely to god the pair of them can think of some other way rather than piggy backing on the royal connections.

the only way out of this is for them to put out a statement saying the names are wrong, they denounce the book and urge folks not to buy it. Not doing so is validation in itself.

I thought Meghan was supposed to be writing her own book from diaries she kept when she was still working for the RF.

ALittleTeawithmilk · 30/11/2023 14:29

Frasers · 30/11/2023 06:56

The whole thing is just aappalling. It is hugely clear the Sussex’s collaborated with this book, and that the Dutch had an early version that named names and an error was made and the wrong version translated and published.

why don’t they move on. What is it with these constant attacks on the royal family. And then trying to wheedle their way back in for crimbo at Sandringham as they know that will get them more attention and profile.

I understand they are becoming meaningless, doing little of note, no careers, and it’s all back fired on them. But surely to god the pair of them can think of some other way rather than piggy backing on the royal connections.

the only way out of this is for them to put out a statement saying the names are wrong, they denounce the book and urge folks not to buy it. Not doing so is validation in itself.

If you are talking about what was printed in the Dutch version, there’s more possible sources than just Harry and Meghan. Scobie was a royal reporter for years. Royal reporters have sources within the palace.

But also:

Dan Wootton said back in July 19 2023 that he knew who said what. And he’s no friend of Harry and Meghan’s.

Also Piers Morgan said two days ago that he knew who said it. But strangely he said he didn’t know how Scobie would know? I would think that Piers should have calculated that if he knows & Wootton knows, there’s every chance Scobie knew along and probably the whole rest of pack of royal reporters knew because they would share and exchange information.

We don’t know if anyone one of them is right of course. It’s still, at this point, unsubstantiated. Could be two entirely different royals, or just one, or three etc., or one royal and an aide of some sort.

feellikeanalien · 30/11/2023 14:51

Surely it doesn't matter which reporters knew the names and when they knew. If any of them were aware of those names then the original source could only be someone who was actually involved in the conversations.

It isn't even clear when the conversations took place, how many of them there were and what was actually said. Harry and Meghan contradicted each other on Oprah about this.

The whole thing sounds really dodgy to me. Yes Charles and Kate could be racist. We don't actually know them. Or it could be part of a nasty smear campaign to try to damage the monarchy. Whichever it is I have a feeling it's not going to do H&M any favours. Surely if they are confident in their accusations they should just come out and confirm what was said and to whom instead of all the insinuations.

ALittleTeawithmilk · 01/12/2023 04:17

If any of them were aware of those names then the original source could only be someone who was actually involved in the conversations.”

Not necessarily. It could come from anyone with first, or second hand, access to the conversations or to the letters - on both sides, or could come from any aide overhearing it and leaking it. (I believe Byline Times are currently investigating another leak - that they alleged occurred between an aide of William’s - via a middle man - and Dan Wootton etc..)

“Whichever it is I have a feeling it's not going to do H&M any favours. Surely if they are confident in their accusations they should just come out and confirm what was said and to whom instead of all the insinuations.”

It’s not doing anyone any favours. Although, i don’t agree with them people that are demanding Meghan &Harry speak out about this now. Meghan has shown us her hurt - caused by conversation re ‘concerns’ about her future offsprings’ looks. Meghan has also since indicated that she’s moved on, she’s put it behind her, I believe. I think there was a statement of hers back in April? Plus, she’s left and is unlikely to return. She doesn’t have to keep answering to her experiences while in Britain. When she spoke out in the Oprah interview, I think it was wise of her to not name names. It gave the other side the chance to sort it. They didn’t. People keep bringing it up because it’s not sorted, and because the attitudes of those within the RF in regard to race matter very much.

The original conversation occurred during the late Queen’s reign, but I think the Queen had reached a point in her life when she was too old to even begin to sort this. Charles wrote letters apparently but that seems about it. The bigger questions surrounding racism and the British Monarchy’s historical participation in the forms it took in the past remain, and the discussions about the benefits they derived from that past, and still benefit from in the present, keep reoccurring and don’t look like stopping. Indications are that it is going to get louder.

Yesterday, Piers Morgan announced which royals were named in the ‘Dutch version’ of the book, but then said the names were not correct, that it wasn’t them who said it. he So given this, we know no more than we did before the publishing and pulping of the Dutch version of Endgame re these conversations/concerns. Even if Omid Scobie did write what it’s claimed by some that he wrote - and which he’s denying - according to Morgan, Scobie got it wrong. This indicates in an other way that neither Harry nor Meghan are Scobie’s source.

So the question still remains ‘who said it, and what did they say?’ We are no closer to knowing who.

Imo, it’s time for Charles as Monarch, and head of the royal family, to speak to this now. Debate of the conversations re ‘concerns’ about Meghan’s future offsprings physical features is wrong, but it’s also a part of a larger conversation. This could be a link to that larger conversation. It will continue to crop up if Charles doesn’t speak to it and to the larger questions. Charles is Head of State to a number of countries formerly colonised by the British government in the name of a series of British Monarchs. And Britain is increasingly multicultural. He really should make some sort of statement in my opinion.

(when I say ‘larger questions’, I’m not minimising Meghan’s experiences. They are an example of the everyday things that form the bigger things).

Maireas · 01/12/2023 07:26

"I think it was wise of her not to name names"
What, and just let everyone be smeared under the general umbrella of racism?
Seems a little unfair. If you're going to talk about it on Oprah, claim very damaging stuff, then be specific rather than create a general, vague and damaging accusation.

Viviennemary · 01/12/2023 08:00

No it wasn't wise to make an accusation and not name names. It was spiteful, sneaky and shit stirring.

Mylovelygreendress · 01/12/2023 09:10

Viviennemary · 01/12/2023 08:00

No it wasn't wise to make an accusation and not name names. It was spiteful, sneaky and shit stirring.

Agree and the use of the word “concern” was deliberate . It was bound to cause debate .
My niece is soon to have a mixed race baby and there have been chats about who the baby will look like . No one is “ concerned” , just interested . Same as when I ( blond) had my children to my dark haired husband .

YouAreMyCentreWhenISpinAway · 01/12/2023 09:47

I was really surprised when I listened to Scobie. I thought H&M would have picked someone very reputable and respected to impart their personal information to, and speak for them. He comes across as someone who writes for a trashy gossip mag.

He's MM's no. 1 fan and if she turns on him, I fully expect him to tell all, and more on her and Harry.

Do I think they will disown him? If they did, he will turn on them. They were stupid enough to share with him and hire him, they might just be stupid enough to dump him.

They are in-between a rock and a hard place. If they keep quiet they look really bad, and that is the end of them in the RF. If they speak against Scobie, he'll take them down.

Frasers · 01/12/2023 10:14

YouAreMyCentreWhenISpinAway · 01/12/2023 09:47

I was really surprised when I listened to Scobie. I thought H&M would have picked someone very reputable and respected to impart their personal information to, and speak for them. He comes across as someone who writes for a trashy gossip mag.

He's MM's no. 1 fan and if she turns on him, I fully expect him to tell all, and more on her and Harry.

Do I think they will disown him? If they did, he will turn on them. They were stupid enough to share with him and hire him, they might just be stupid enough to dump him.

They are in-between a rock and a hard place. If they keep quiet they look really bad, and that is the end of them in the RF. If they speak against Scobie, he'll take them down.

I totally agree with you. They are between a rock and a hard place. If they don’t say anything, then it speaks volumes. If they do say something , they risk scobie outing them .

everyone knows it was them in there briefing him , it can only have been them, which is the worst thing I think they have ever done, they briefed him to write a book about the British monarchy ending. Harrys own family. That’s what they did. And secretly. It’s as vicious and vindictive as it gets. They gave him the dirt to help him write this book.

scobie is in a difficult position. If he says yes he put the names in the original version, but then redacted, he opens himself up to having to answer how he knew, it could only have been Megan, it’s her version of the story, and potential legal action from the palace.

right now he’s trying to protect them, lying through his teeth, and he will expect the same back from harry and Megan, he can really take them down if he chooses.

the palace will know though, they will know full well the truth of this and that it only could have come from them, so they know what they did. I think they are on their own for ever more now. They’ve moved past the forgivable.

Viviennemary · 01/12/2023 11:44

YouAreMyCentreWhenISpinAway · 01/12/2023 09:47

I was really surprised when I listened to Scobie. I thought H&M would have picked someone very reputable and respected to impart their personal information to, and speak for them. He comes across as someone who writes for a trashy gossip mag.

He's MM's no. 1 fan and if she turns on him, I fully expect him to tell all, and more on her and Harry.

Do I think they will disown him? If they did, he will turn on them. They were stupid enough to share with him and hire him, they might just be stupid enough to dump him.

They are in-between a rock and a hard place. If they keep quiet they look really bad, and that is the end of them in the RF. If they speak against Scobie, he'll take them down.

I doubt a journalist of good standing would touch this tell taling gossipy unfounded stuff with a bargepole.

Blinkingbonkers · 01/12/2023 12:07

Surely H&M must realise that the more they put out there now the more they damage their brand? It’s evident that, no matter who said what in the latest comic-esque book, H is a proven liar at the very least. M has alienated her family and then seemingly his family (other than her mother who she was also apparently estranged from for a while) - it doesn’t speak volumes for her ability to foster healthy relationships let alone anything else….

feellikeanalien · 01/12/2023 12:59

Meghan has also since indicated that she's moved on.

That may well be so but the vague allegations she made continue to have repercussions for those who have been named.

Frasers · 01/12/2023 14:11

feellikeanalien · 01/12/2023 12:59

Meghan has also since indicated that she's moved on.

That may well be so but the vague allegations she made continue to have repercussions for those who have been named.

Neither of them have moved on, if they had theyd not have been briefing scobie on a gossipy attack book against the British royal family, that’s not moving on.

however the fact it was meant to be redacted and they’ve been trying to get their feet back under the Royal table, shows that since the briefing they’ve come to realise how much they need to be seen as part of the royal family to give them credence.

its done though. No one will trust them for a very long time. Every interaction they have with the royals is leaked as they desperately cling to the connection.

LuluBlakey1 · 01/12/2023 17:46

i loathe Boris Johnson but find myself thinking he sums it all up quite well in his last sentences (In bold).

'To ask such questions, in anticipation of a happy event, is simple human nature.
It is one of the greatest joys and ­mysteries of life that we have no real idea, in utero, what our children will look like.
We can see their shapes in the amazing antenatal scans, and we can hear the heartbeats; but for all the heart-stopping detail of the images, the fingers, the toes, the thumb in the mouth, they are still tantalising. We can’t be sure what traits, if any, the infants will visibly inherit.
Every family is the same. As soon as a baby is born, and with every week that passes, we pore over them — searching pathetically for signs of family continuity. Whose nose is this? Whose eyes? And what is the origin of this ­mysterious aubergine-coloured hair?
My own children have all sorts of exciting antecedents — Indians, Russians, Turks, you name it.
........So of course I have mused in the past — probably aloud — about which set of ­chromosomes was going to get the upper hand this time, or which gene was going to be dominant and which recessive.
That, I expect, was exactly the kind of ruminative debate that the so-called royal racist was having. It was an entirely innocent and utterly normal antepartum meditation of a kind that takes place whenever a family is expecting a baby.
So why the epic hoo-ha? Well, I suppose that it is partly because it is intended to be a hoo-ha, not least by the tripe-mongering author.'

Maireas · 02/12/2023 14:28

Tumbleweed... they're not going to speak up.

YouAreMyCentreWhenISpinAway · 02/12/2023 18:19

I can’t understand why they’ve not spoken up, whatever side they’d be on. It’s bizarre.