Thomas Markle is back - right after the Invictus Games

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What surreptitious timing, Thomas Markle has been wheeled out again, let's hear what he has to say.

https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1703638539450089909

Harry also said he was going out with a South African girlfriend “but don’t worry she’s not black “

just because he has married Meghan it doesn’t mean he’s not racist

where do you sit with him ?

I’m assuming you will be taking your zero tolerance approach

Once again, your double standards are showing folks! I believe if someone has unconscious bias and they address it instead of repeating it, there is room for forgiveness.

If you're making comments about racist comments in Harrys past and saying nothing about Thomas and his family, Prince Phillip or the racist who was concerned about Archies colour, then it is YOU with the double standards. But like I said, I consider those here defending and having sympathy with Thomas to be racist. So I won't be engaging with people I think are racist, here or anywhere, again.

I do think there’s a difference between someone learning from their mistakes and showing contrition (Harry) and someone who persists in racism, regardless (see TM & siblings).

With all due respect you have no idea if he has learnt his lesson, maybe the only lesson he learnt is not to be caught out on video again. Also, as a rule Harry and contrition aren’t normally bedfellows.

Genuine question, why is Harry unconscious bias and everyone is racist?

I can only go by what I’ve seen with my own eyes and heard with my own ears. I’ve heard his explanations and his apologies and I see his interactions with POC (over decades) and Jewish people (the Israeli team at IG) and how they receive him. He seems genuine enough to to me. He’s put the work in and it shows.
Unless I see otherwise, I’d say he’s learnt his lesson and is better for it.

Also, as a rule Harry and contrition aren’t normally bedfellows.

If we’re being honest, we all know that there are members of the Royal family who have openly and rather brazenly, made racist comments and passed them off as jokes & banter. In those cases, I don’t recall any accountability or contrition.

I’ll forgive a person when I see an apology followed by meaningful action and that action is consistently applied.

That's not a genuine question is it, because nobody has said 'everyone is racist'.
People do have unconscious bias, they might not know what they're doing is racist/sexist/ableist etc- that depends on what it is. The difference is once told what you're doing is wrong, you shouldn't repeat it or stand by it. Like with Lady Hussey repeatedly asking those questions of Ngozi Fulani, there was an unequivocal apology and doesn't appear to be a pattern of behaviour. Prince Phillip made so many racist remarks as a fully grown adult that it shows a clear pattern that can be deemed racist. Harry made a remark that he hasn't repeated and is full of remorse for. He has since gone on to make very public and clear statements against racism, to the point he left his role, his job and his country. I am not sure how people can compare this to the Markle behaviour that is ongoing and not apologised for. I think there can only be one explanation for that, and for making poc repeatedly state on these boards the difference between unconscious bias and racism, and judging them for forgiving someone who has shown remorse.

Well said @MissElinorDashwood I really should stop explaining to posters what unconscious bias is though, its been discussed so many times I think the continual asking of poc is.... too much.

I think it is important to remember Harry did make a number of very racist comments and obviously did have racist views
I don’t think he has apologised recently for this especially the girlfriend comment ( the other apologies were via the palace )
I think the reasons he left are complex and he certainly hasn’t attributed those reasons to racism

I for one am not convinced about him

We all agree the markle siblings are racist and no one is forgiving them anything

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@Iwantcakeeveryday You really need to stop telling people what they should think and what they should say. It was a genuine question, Harry has been consistently referred to as having unconscious bias where as " everyone" the markers, the royal family etc are all described as racists

I didnt ask you for an explanation of what unconscious bias is

Sussex royal
From the initial statement After many months of reflection and internal discussions, we have chosen to make a transition this year in starting to carve out a progressive new role within this institution. Ending with we look forward to sharing full details of this exciting next step in due course, as we continue to collaborate with HM the Queen, the Prince of Wales, the Duke of Cambridge and all relevant parties.
Nothing in the statement suggests Harry wanted to leave his job, role or country.
The Queen told Harry it was not possible to be ‘half in and half out’ and he left because of that.
On Sussex Royal website after they left states the preference of the D&DoS was to continue to represent and support HM The Queen albeit in a more limited capacity, while not drawing the Sovereign Grant.
Why did Harry wish to be connected to the institution. HMQ, PoW and DoC if it was so bad and how they treated his wife why did he not just cut them off like Meghan did with the Markles?

@imparsleythelion Good question, I think it's all much more nuanced than some people believe. I also wonder about the relationship with his brother and Kate , they all seemed very happy and relaxed together , I remember Harry saying when he got engaged " they will be so glad I am no longer raiding their fridge". No sign of resentment or friction between them

@imparsleythelion
I don't understand what your long post about Harry & Meghan and their statements back in 2019 has to do with Thomas Markle and the half siblings behaviour right up until this week.

Them leaving the RF has been done a gazillion times on here.
Have you read his book? He covered the leaving and what went on in detail in it

Why compare the Markles with the Windsors and suggest he should do what Meghan did? What the right course of action is for one family won't be right for a completely different family, and a royal one at that!

Totally agree with this

@imparsleythelionWhy did Harry wish to be connected to the institution. HMQ, PoW and DoC if it was so bad and how they treated his wife why did he not just cut them off like Meghan did with the Markles?
I think it is on record somewhere (I've read it) that Harry hates this country and wanted to live permanently in Africa, which he feels is his spiritual home. Long before he met meghan.

The RF have effectively gone NC with Harry and meghan, and quite rightly so. M&H have done the same with Meghans father and siblings, and if they feel that is the right thing to do, then thats their right,

I don't think anyone has seriously defended TM Sr and no one defended the siblings. However we are allowed to feel some sympathy for a sick and elderly man without condoning his behaviour. Most decent people can also not condone H&Ms behaviour to Prince phillip and the Queen, as they were sick and dying.

so you once again bash Harry, yet feel sympathy for Meghans abusive father because he is old and ill.
are you the same when you see a story on the news (for instance) when an older person has committed a crime?

I don't think anyone has seriously defended TM Sr

That's a joke
Over years he has been defended vigorously as just a poor befuddled man who means no harm.
Even the half siblings were stuck up for on threads.
Maybe you haven't been here very long, but I promise you there's been quite a fan club for TM. Whatever he does.

Obviously the motive of the defenders is...he hurts Meghan and anyone who does that has to be defended

Can you imagine what it's like to have your father betray you in the way he had done, and so publicly? I feel sorry for Meghan, not him, she must be heart broken

the amount of posts saying they feel sorry for him, on this thread alone. it gets boring when posters keep trying to re write history.

I don't think anyone has seriously defended TM S

Except, that’s exactly what happened Monday morning on a national platform, GBM (ITV), straight after a successful week for the Sussexes and our veterans.

Hence, the reason why this thread was started by the op.

I'm tired of your targeted aggression. You asked me a question and I answered it.

I didn't ask you a question actually, best to re read my post

You decided that my question wasn't genuine so I think you need to reflect on who displays targeted aggression on here

*Daisyislazy · Today 11:20

Genuine question, why is Harry unconscious bias and everyone is racist?*