Thomas Markle is back - right after the Invictus Games

[beatan]

What surreptitious timing, Thomas Markle has been wheeled out again, let's hear what he has to say.

https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1703638539450089909

Respectfully. That is your opinion. The polls do not bear that out, and with the royal family now much more visible and performing typical duties of soft diplomacy and important global initiatives, I think the tide will leave the shore.

@colourwheelofortune sorry, I didn’t mean you called her narcissistic, I just replaced the words ‘runaway slave’ with the hyperbolic word that’s most used to describe her since before she left (including on these threads).
Just demonstrating that your argument works both ways.

@MissElinorDashwood None of those terms should be used.

I think you misunderstood my point. Not to worry. Our reputation has been damaged, but it has nothing to do with Harry and Meghan.

@Iwantcakeeveryday I don't think there is a hierarchy at play here. You may feel racism is at the top of the tree, and it is certainly unacceptable, but so is trying to destroy a family. We will have to agree to disagree. I respect your POV, but do not accept it is worse. The royal family are not racist according to Harry.

but so is trying to destroy a family.

But that is a subjective opinion. You do not know that was their intent, thats what you believe.

It is fact the Markle's are racist.

There is not a hierarchy but I think its pretty disgusting not to acknowledge the damage and harm racism causes or to say that talking badly about your family is the same as racism. We as a society do indeed categorise behaviours differently, thats why some are illegal. Hate crimes are a real thing. It is not a crime to talk about yourself and your own family. People do it every day.

This thread shows who gets to be shown grace, who gets to hide behind fragility and illness, who gets to be manipulated and who gets no quarter. Posters have repeatedly shown how Thomas actually participates and engages with incredibly damaging activities by his other children towards his own daughter.

Finding it fascinating that it took Meghan to destroy the reputation of my country when my fellow compatriots were doing it all by themselves without her.

Goodness some posters claim to be about to read the minds of other posters on this thread . There's no possibility of rational discussion on RF threads, particularly with M and H fans.

I agree with the view that conspiracy theorists on YouTube are utterly nuts, but here is the problem:

ALL of the Markle white family members cooperate with these YouTubers who, among many other things, are accusing a black woman of being a convict while her mixed race daughter is accused of fraudulently inserting children into the line of succession. Not talked about: the ACTUAL crimes committed by the white Markles (domestic violence, assault, death threats etc)

It was not until I saw some of this stuff that I understood how much Samantha really, and I mean really, hates her sister.

No one has to watch this stuff, not at all, I do for professional reasons because I am writing about white led hate groups that target famous black women with conspiracy theories (Beyonce, Serena, Michelle Obama, Meghan), but please don't come back and say Meghan is just as bad as they are. This stuff has to be seen to be believed.

As for the "runaway slave" comparison, with the very greatest of respect, no one gets to tell me what historical and cultural references to use to see the world, particularly when they are relevant in the context of America, seeing as we are talking about an American family that is giving serious plantation vibes.

We do not all share the same cultural lens. Thanks.

I am sure if you watch that stuff it will definitely affect your views - I wouldn’t even want to click on it but I see your explanation

I was trying to look specifically at the relationship with Meghan and her father before the wedding
Im assuming her siblings were racist then- but she did have some sort of relationship with her father until it seems it fell away when she met Harry

So again, I don’t think her sibling’s being vile and racist explains the initial estrangement
I would say the siblings have grasped their opportunity to capitalise on it and weaponise the estrangement

I do think Thomas is manipulative but she didn’t seem to mind at one point - he does seem to think Meghan owes him something and seems very badly advised

Like other people have mentioned there are some similarities to Harry’s behaviour “I won’t be ignored !!”

I hope she hasn’t married another version of her Dad !!

I was trying to look specifically at the relationship with Meghan and her father before the wedding

Even before the wedding they were acting atrociously. Jr. writing and publishing awful letters doing a complete character assassination of Meghan. Calling her every name imaginable.

Samantha tweeting about her in 2017 and talking about her book called The Diary of Princess Pushy's sister.

Would you want to associate with people like this? I certainly wouldn't.

I don't understand about Meghan not minding that her father is manipulative. We have no idea how long the breakdown of their relationship was going on.

I said I assume they were just as bad

I was trying to point out before she met Harry she did have some sort of relationship with her Dad

despite her vile siblings - and of course I wouldn’t associate with them

Thankfully I’m blessed with lovely siblings - although I do have a manipulative father so I can recognise the type

I also recognise there are some similar traits in Harry - he seems pretty vindictive and knows he has damaged his father , brother etc

I think Meghan has got her hands full with him

She said “Meghan and her father” though

I can read!

The poster also said he was manipulative and quite obviously so are the half siblings who manipulated him before the wedding. Like Samantha setting up the ridiculous photos of him being measured up for a suit in a gift shop and reading Country Life or whatever in a cafe. All sold for money.

round and round we go …

And you're on the merry go round with me! 😅

I know 😂

Heads-up, I’m going to throw a spanner in the works.

Thomas Markle and Charles Windsor share similar parenting styles. They have different personalities, for sure, but when it comes to parenting their children there are similarities.

I don’t see it, C was always a workaholic, away a lot, and I think he found the emotional bit of parenting really hard. I think he valued resilience and stuff, and he seems to like his own space.

Whereas TM seems ………………………… needy

I’ll add in the equally controversial Nature/ Nurture argument - worthy of a thread on its own😁

"I was trying to point out before she met Harry she did have some sort of relationship with her Dad"
just picked this out of a post. its something that is used to bash Meghan with a lot.
maybe just maybe they did have some kind of relationship because Meghan wasn't a big name. once she hooked up with Harry she became a big name. I think they expected to be able to earn $$$$ by being her family.
So I expect she saw her fathers true colours way before the wedding. so just ended up with her Mother, the one person she could trust to not sell her out.

I find it all interesting the different standards applied to each part of the multi level dysfunctional families we are discussing, the royals, the Spencers, the markles, are all troubled and full of divorces and step families.

Apparently its ok for the royals to disown Harry because he went public with tales of his family.
Yet, Charles, Diana, Fergie, Andrew, they've all spoken publicly about their families, told private details about their relationships, made money from them ( thats exactly how the royals stay relevant ) and yet only Harry and Meghan deserve to be discarded.
Even racists should be given sympathy. Just not Harry.

Charles and Diana can both write books, do interviews, use their children for publicity even, from a young age. But Harry is never allowed to talk about them? negatively or as in his book, lovingly about his father.

Thomas Markle is allowed to do what he is doing, which is threaten, blackmail, collude with racists, because Harry and Meghan spoke about family too. Who was the first to tell tales about the Markle family? wasn't Meghan was it?

There is no logic to the defence or sympathy with Thomas.

When it comes to racism, I have zero tolerance. If you sit with known racists, you're racist. If you defend a racist, you're racist. It's really simple.

When it comes to racism, I have zero tolerance. If you sit with known racists, you're racist. If you defend a racist, you're racist. It's really simple.

It’s almost like Harry never made a racially offensive video, or had to attend not just one but two courses on why it’s unacceptable to make racist/derogatory comments. I too have zero tolerance on racism so I know exactly where I’d ‘sit him’.