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Serenster · 15/09/2023 06:49

everetting · 15/09/2023 02:04

William and Kate flew by helicopter to Wales for a ten minute service.
It is clear their transport choices are nothing to do with climate change.

They also visited the RNLI station there, the visit was a lot longer than 10 minutes.

Also, they visited St Davids in Pembrokeshire in the far west of Wales. That’s a 4 hour 19 minute drive from Windsor. More than 8 and a half hours for the round trip if they drove.

There’s no train station where they visited. The closest is Milford Haven, and the need for connections means that’s a 6 hour trip from Windsor - a more than 12 hour round trip train journey without taking into account the drive at the end.

They get criticised when they do too many engagements within driving distance of Windsor, and then when they do an engagement in a remote small community they then get criticised for how they get there. When you genuinely cannot escape criticism why wouldn’t you make sensible choices that work best for you and your team?

Angrycat2768 · 15/09/2023 08:49

MamoruHisaishi · 15/09/2023 00:50

but then again, do you honestly believe that if celebrities and royals lead by example by not travelling either by car or plane, people would then follow their example? Most of us can think and decide for ourselves. We don’t need royals or celebrities to make choices for ourselves. Unfortunately, trying to force people to change their ways by shaming them won’t stop the behaviour. I think the more effective solution would be if people were offered more environmentally friendly choices at a better or competitive cost, instead of demanding them to consume less. If we create electric cars and environmentally friendly planes, and use sustainable packaging instead of plastic, I don’t see why this would be an issue.

If they are telling people with less money and resources than they have to ' combat climate change' then yes, they need to lead by example. The Royals have 26 homes between them. They all have to be fully staffed and maintained at all times, even when empty. Why do William and Kate need 4 homes while they pretend to squeeze into a 4 bedroom cottage in Windsor? The 3 Wales children have a carbon footprint probably the size of about 100 children in Aftica, yet he was telling African women, who have limited access to contraception, no welfare state and no state care to have fewer children a few years ago. It smacks of ' do as I say so I don't have to'. I agree with the above. We need to absolutely slash consumption otherwise all the environmental intitatives in the world won't make a difference. We will be running full pelt just to stand still. Consumption by the wealthiest is the highest. That includes the Royals and Leonardo Di Caprio and all the celebs throwing money around at glamorous Earthshot parties, at people working hard in developing countries to stop themselves drowning to ease their own consciousness so they can swan around doing what they like. They need to reduce their consumption, put pressure on horrifically wasteful industries like high fashion that they use almost exclusively and do far, far more than just clap, make speeches andcthrow miney around. Wealthy environmentalists on the whole don't talk about over consumption because that would affect their lifestyles.

Roussette · 15/09/2023 09:36

I do think the royals should be into recycling clothes more. I know i know princess anne does and kate on occasion but i am talking far far more than they do. And I include Meghan in this. I know she wore something at Invictus a day or so ago that she'd worn at World Kitchen but it's not enough.

For instance Kate has 10 (or is it more?) red coat dresses. WTAF. Camilla s handbag collection is obscene.

There should be some sort of Auction for their clothes and accessories they don't wear again to benefit a suitable charity. Bit like Beatrice did with her pretzel hat

Angrycat2768 · 15/09/2023 09:57

Roussette · 15/09/2023 09:36

I do think the royals should be into recycling clothes more. I know i know princess anne does and kate on occasion but i am talking far far more than they do. And I include Meghan in this. I know she wore something at Invictus a day or so ago that she'd worn at World Kitchen but it's not enough.

For instance Kate has 10 (or is it more?) red coat dresses. WTAF. Camilla s handbag collection is obscene.

There should be some sort of Auction for their clothes and accessories they don't wear again to benefit a suitable charity. Bit like Beatrice did with her pretzel hat

Agree. They have dressmakers on demand. Surely they can get them to adjust existing gowns to suit different occasions or use different accessories instead of having several slightly different pieces of clothing. Wearing something twice is not 'recycling'. It's what most people do.

ILikeDinosaurs · 15/09/2023 13:56

Angrycat2768 · 15/09/2023 08:49

If they are telling people with less money and resources than they have to ' combat climate change' then yes, they need to lead by example. The Royals have 26 homes between them. They all have to be fully staffed and maintained at all times, even when empty. Why do William and Kate need 4 homes while they pretend to squeeze into a 4 bedroom cottage in Windsor? The 3 Wales children have a carbon footprint probably the size of about 100 children in Aftica, yet he was telling African women, who have limited access to contraception, no welfare state and no state care to have fewer children a few years ago. It smacks of ' do as I say so I don't have to'. I agree with the above. We need to absolutely slash consumption otherwise all the environmental intitatives in the world won't make a difference. We will be running full pelt just to stand still. Consumption by the wealthiest is the highest. That includes the Royals and Leonardo Di Caprio and all the celebs throwing money around at glamorous Earthshot parties, at people working hard in developing countries to stop themselves drowning to ease their own consciousness so they can swan around doing what they like. They need to reduce their consumption, put pressure on horrifically wasteful industries like high fashion that they use almost exclusively and do far, far more than just clap, make speeches andcthrow miney around. Wealthy environmentalists on the whole don't talk about over consumption because that would affect their lifestyles.

Edited

I wasn't going to come back to this thread but excellent post. 👏

derxa · 15/09/2023 13:58

Roussette · 15/09/2023 09:36

I do think the royals should be into recycling clothes more. I know i know princess anne does and kate on occasion but i am talking far far more than they do. And I include Meghan in this. I know she wore something at Invictus a day or so ago that she'd worn at World Kitchen but it's not enough.

For instance Kate has 10 (or is it more?) red coat dresses. WTAF. Camilla s handbag collection is obscene.

There should be some sort of Auction for their clothes and accessories they don't wear again to benefit a suitable charity. Bit like Beatrice did with her pretzel hat

For once I totally agree with you. It's ridiculous.

ILikeDinosaurs · 15/09/2023 14:09

Roussette · 15/09/2023 09:36

I do think the royals should be into recycling clothes more. I know i know princess anne does and kate on occasion but i am talking far far more than they do. And I include Meghan in this. I know she wore something at Invictus a day or so ago that she'd worn at World Kitchen but it's not enough.

For instance Kate has 10 (or is it more?) red coat dresses. WTAF. Camilla s handbag collection is obscene.

There should be some sort of Auction for their clothes and accessories they don't wear again to benefit a suitable charity. Bit like Beatrice did with her pretzel hat

I agree. It's silly that it gets called 'recycling' as well. It's just rewearing. Recycling has a specific meaning and process. Calling it recycling just gives them some sort of environmental kudos that they don't deserve.

smilesy · 15/09/2023 14:21

ILikeDinosaurs · 15/09/2023 14:09

I agree. It's silly that it gets called 'recycling' as well. It's just rewearing. Recycling has a specific meaning and process. Calling it recycling just gives them some sort of environmental kudos that they don't deserve.

Re- wearing is much better than wearing once though. If she recycled them in the literal sense she would either be putting them in the recycling bin or cutting them up 😆. I agree Kate seems to have lots of the same dress, but maybe she is planning to wear them lots of times over the years as the Princess Royal has done. They are pretty timeless (which may well be why she doesn’t wear high fashion items)

edited to correct typo

wordler · 15/09/2023 14:40

Maybe all the outfits are Kate’s rainy day fund - if the Windsors ever get the boot then she’s going to become the world’s most famous Ebayer

Diana’s sheep jumper just sold for over $1 Million on New York

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66811840.amp

Princess Diana in a red and white sweater in front of a horse

Diana's sweater fetches more than $1m at auction - BBC News

The jumper caused a stir - and speculation about the black sheep's symbolism - before her 1981 wedding.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66811840.amp

everetting · 15/09/2023 16:38

Of course will never happen. But would be amazing if it did.
Kate red coat dress on ebay. Will only fit tall slim women. Half a million ono.

beatan · 16/09/2023 07:09

So help me understand.

William and Kate took a private jet to Wales on the 8th of September, that's two journeys.

On the 9th of September, Kate took a private jet to watch Rugby in France, that's two more journeys.

On the 10th of September, William took the same private jet to watch Rugby in France, another two journeys.

SIX PRIVATE JET JOURNEYS IN THREE DAYS.

Where was the outrage and cries of hypocrisy for this? the abuse for months on end?? I recall the summer where H&M used jets and we had Chris Ship on ITV calling in experts to calculate carbon emissions, you know around the same time the Cambridges just happened to be pictured flying commercial.

This is hilarious.

Roussette · 16/09/2023 07:58

@beatan
Well said... and bear in mind the W&K 'we are flying on a budget airline' PR exercise involved an empty aeroplane being flown over a hundred miles to pick them up to achieve this. OK this was not their fault, they didn't know the airline would do this but for a 'we fly on cheap commercial airlines' message it more than fell flat. Embarrassing actually.

And let's not talk about the endless helicopter flights between their houses... Norfolk to Windsor to London round and round. And helicopter flights are the worst for emissions.
Hey ho

smilesy · 16/09/2023 08:52

Roussette · 16/09/2023 07:58

@beatan
Well said... and bear in mind the W&K 'we are flying on a budget airline' PR exercise involved an empty aeroplane being flown over a hundred miles to pick them up to achieve this. OK this was not their fault, they didn't know the airline would do this but for a 'we fly on cheap commercial airlines' message it more than fell flat. Embarrassing actually.

And let's not talk about the endless helicopter flights between their houses... Norfolk to Windsor to London round and round. And helicopter flights are the worst for emissions.
Hey ho

To be fair, it was the airline that decided to fly the empty jet as the one that was originally available was in the subsidiary airlines livery as opposed to the main carrier and the airline didn’t want this. Kensington palace knew nothing about it (as confirmed by the airline). With regard to flying to Wales, (in a helicopter) as Serenster explained above, the logistics of doing this any other way would have been nigh on impossible. Unless they never go more than a short walk from Windsor, they are always going to have problems of this sort. And they were on official business 🤷‍♀️

Roussette · 16/09/2023 09:27

@smilesy. As you will see from my post I said 'OK not their fault.'
It was a faux pas though and unfortunately reflected badly on them

Angrycat2768 · 16/09/2023 10:39

smilesy · 16/09/2023 08:52

To be fair, it was the airline that decided to fly the empty jet as the one that was originally available was in the subsidiary airlines livery as opposed to the main carrier and the airline didn’t want this. Kensington palace knew nothing about it (as confirmed by the airline). With regard to flying to Wales, (in a helicopter) as Serenster explained above, the logistics of doing this any other way would have been nigh on impossible. Unless they never go more than a short walk from Windsor, they are always going to have problems of this sort. And they were on official business 🤷‍♀️

Cars and trains exist. As do commercial short haul flights.
William certainly does not need a helicopter to fly himself to Norfolk from Lisbon every weekend. He works 3 days a week at most. He's not busy and could read whatever he needs to read on the train.

Angrycat2768 · 16/09/2023 10:55

Angrycat2768 · 16/09/2023 10:39

Cars and trains exist. As do commercial short haul flights.
William certainly does not need a helicopter to fly himself to Norfolk from Lisbon every weekend. He works 3 days a week at most. He's not busy and could read whatever he needs to read on the train.

London, not Lisbon!

Roussette · 16/09/2023 11:05

Angrycat2768 · 16/09/2023 10:55

London, not Lisbon!

Haha I was thinking..what is going on in Lisbon!
Yes they commute to Amner Hall by helicopter most weekends. No one ever talks about it though

beatan · 16/09/2023 12:34

What about the logistics of flying to France?

beatan · 16/09/2023 12:36

The environment can't tell the difference between emissions for official business or otherwise, so that's not saying much. I was just shocked at the lack of outrage from the papers for the France trips especially.

smilesy · 16/09/2023 13:33

beatan · 16/09/2023 12:36

The environment can't tell the difference between emissions for official business or otherwise, so that's not saying much. I was just shocked at the lack of outrage from the papers for the France trips especially.

Well of course the environment can’t tell the difference. Just like it can’t tell the difference between you or I flying for work purposes or flying to go on holiday. The point being that you have to travel if your work requires it. So what is the relevance of your comment?

smilesy · 16/09/2023 13:36

Angrycat2768 · 16/09/2023 10:39

Cars and trains exist. As do commercial short haul flights.
William certainly does not need a helicopter to fly himself to Norfolk from Lisbon every weekend. He works 3 days a week at most. He's not busy and could read whatever he needs to read on the train.

As I said, Serenster’s post above looks in detail at the logistics of using other forms of travel for the journey that the Waleses undertook that day. Using cars and trains would not have worked. And how do you know what else they have to do or what deadlines they have to be at certain places? Maybe it has also been decided that, for security reasons, that is the best way to travel. There are not just environmental factors to take in to account, unfortunately. That applies to all of us as the current methods of transport and connections available to us stand

smilesy · 16/09/2023 13:44

Roussette · 16/09/2023 09:27

@smilesy. As you will see from my post I said 'OK not their fault.'
It was a faux pas though and unfortunately reflected badly on them

Why should something that was done completely without your knowledge and completely out of your control reflect badly on you?

Roussette · 16/09/2023 13:50

smilesy · 16/09/2023 13:44

Why should something that was done completely without your knowledge and completely out of your control reflect badly on you?

Because it was not a good look. It obviously did reflect badly, or how would we have known? Many articles on it

And if I was preaching environmental stuff, you can bet your bottom dollar I would get a minion to check, double check and triple check that the flight was one taking off from that airport with ordinary plebs like us on board. Not one being flown in specially.
I wouldn't leave a thing to chance

smilesy · 16/09/2023 13:55

Roussette · 16/09/2023 13:50

Because it was not a good look. It obviously did reflect badly, or how would we have known? Many articles on it

And if I was preaching environmental stuff, you can bet your bottom dollar I would get a minion to check, double check and triple check that the flight was one taking off from that airport with ordinary plebs like us on board. Not one being flown in specially.
I wouldn't leave a thing to chance

Oh come on! Why would anyone think that the airline would do that? There is only so
much second guessing and micro
managing that you can do. Why would you think that you had to check that the airline would swap the plane for those reasons ? Maybe they will now with hindsight but I would suggest that this would have been very far down on the list of things that the “minions” as you put it would have to check.

Roussette · 16/09/2023 14:18

Don't agree. The aides hardly book online without speaking to someone at the airline. If I were in that job I would be checking every minor detail.

Maybe I am speaking in hindsight, don't know. It won't happen again that's for sure.

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