"Heart of Invictus" documentary series, streaming 30 August 2023

[MrsMaxDeWinter]

The trailer for 'Heart of Invictus" has been released by Netflix, and it looks incredible, and so moving.

For those interested, please find it here.

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I think you're missing the point of the 'criticising his whole country' to the rest of the world. Harry is heading up the Invictus Games documentary. These veterans have served this country with pride. They swore an allegiance to the queen. These veterans come from all parts of Britain and the commonwealth....you know the one that you say Harry has every right to criticise? Don't you actually see the hypocrisy?

No. What I see is you endlessly bashing Harry on a thread about a wonderful documentary on probably the best thing he's ever started, something that is a positive thing and shouldn't;t be trashed repeatedly on this thread by you. What I see is you connecting two things that have no connection. The fact HE and other veterans served the country does not mean that any one of them can't criticise the country's terrible past and its impact on the world,. I am not sure why you think they cannot or it somehow has anything at all to do with the veterans. It doesn't. You're trying to connect because you think you can twist it to Harry insulting the veterans, as if to say anything bad about the UK insults them. I think thats an argument without one iota of validity and a total complete nonsense.

I wish you'd stop bashing this amazing project, its really low.

yes they will and we are free to voice our opinions of course. I think you're allowed to criticise your country and also want to be part of it. I think any suggestion otherwise is ridiculous, completely ridiculous. Again, we are allowed to criticise our own country's and we don't have to disown our country because we are unhappy about some aspects of how it runs.

Harry isn't fighting for us to pay his expenses, and you know that. He is fighting for security when he is here, security required because the public threaten his safety due to the family he was born into. He's also offered to reimburse the costs so he can access that armed protection.

none of what you just typed resembles reality, just your imagination. You insult this project by remaining here non-stop trashing Harry about unrelated things, literally non stop. This thread is about the Invictus Games and the documentary.

I hope the thread can get back to being about the documentary and we can discuss that without the derailment once it begins.

These veterans have served this country with pride. They swore an allegiance to the queen. These veterans come from all parts of Britain and the commonwealth....you know the one that you say Harry has every right to criticise?

Interesting. You are aware that veterans from the all over the world do and have criticised their own countries. Even some who have attended the games. There is nothing hypocritical about it. The games are celebrating the veterans who come from all over the world not just the UK and the Commonwealth.

Many veterans have lost their livelihood and earning capability because of their injuries so it is hypocrisy for a millionaire prince with a wife wearing thousands of pounds worth of designer clothes to lecture them on resilience.

Right so it’s important that the millionaire veteran should say nothing and do nothing to help his fellow veterans and his wife should only wear George, H&M and Primark. Got it.

I don't think I've ever seen a more censored thread on MN - very briefly what was @Ivyusername going on about ? I suspect she was casting aspersions at Harry's undeniable triumph in the Invictus Games as part of a Harry/Meghan pile on.

Best not to discuss it, MNHQ have handled it, its just the usual weekend thing, thanks to MNHQ :)

But @Serenster , for me that did not read as an attack, it was like an average dinner conversation.

There have been a million and one threads, newspaper articles, endless hours of talk radio and TV shows saying exactly that in the last decade.

Our society has had massive upheaval - corruption, sex abuse scandals, tabloid scandals, Brexit, etc in the last decade. We have had massive, continous national arguments about who we are, what kind of a country we want and how to go forward.

His was not an "attack". It was his tu'pence worth on that conversation.

And yes - colour was in that but of course it was. His immediate family is now Black. It is something he would have had no experience of before. Of course he is allowed talk about it.

Again @Serenster I do not see reasoned observations on your own country as an "attack".

Calling it a "cesspit" would be an attack. "It has problems like X,Y,Z" is not an attack.

He is a Prince of the land. That is way Royalty works - blood .

If we want a situation where they can be stripped of their title when they do things we do not like then we can choose who will be Prince of the land. See where that could go?

(I would be delighted if that were the case).

I think Royalists should be careful what they wish for!

Yes. I don't think his children should have the titles, but then I don't think Louis children should either, and any other kids of anyone not monarch or heir thereafter. I doubt William feels the same way though. I'd be willing to bet he had a say in Harry not being stripped of titles and the kids being Prince/ Princess, because he wants his kids to have that privilege, and you can't strip one and then backtrack for your own kids.

He is a Prince of the land. That is way Royalty works - blood .

Yes, I know. He doesn’t have to use his title though. He could, like HRH The Duchess of Kent, just go by his first name and surname. He could make the decision that his children not use their titles, as his uncle and aunt did for their children. But instead he has a monogrammed doormat and has publicly announced his children are Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet.

Yes I do think they have been unfairly treated but when they insisted on the titles thst made me think much less of them. The children didn't have to be using their titles, especially as they live in the US

That choice is his to make though.

If we, as women, get to decide what name to use in marriage.

We do not get a say in the children' surname unless the father is absent. It "belongs" to the father (don't get me started on that old chestnut). In the case of divorce we get to choose what name we use and how to live going forward.

Same for him.

His choice.

Oh good! Thank you MNHQ!

That may be the case but other European royals have had their hrh/titles stripped from them so there is already precedence for this. It's ridiculous for children who didn't grow up/weren't born in the UK to still be in the line for monarchy, and to still be able to claim titles from a country they've hardly been exposed to.

I agree with you but that is the way of these blood dynasties. I know someone who inherited an English title, money and land. He had never lived here before that.

What European royals do or don't do is irrelevant I think.

I also think the notion of precedence is up for grabs. For example - we have a divorced King on the throne who made his mistress Queen. Now there is precedence. Before he did that there wasn't. Although I suppose Henry V111 got there first?! 🙂

In that case the idea that Harry’s children can and should lose their titles isn't such a far fetched idea then. This goes the same for Andrew’s kids. I don't think Edward and Sophie have claimed hrh prince/princess titles for their kids even though they're entitled to them. I don't think Charlotte and Louis’s kids should be able to claim titles either, only the kids of the future heir/current monarch should have titles. I think this is really a matter of Charles not wishing to rock the boat with the sussexes that's prevented the downsizing of titles from happening. The sussexes tried to claim that not being able to get titles for their kids equates to racism so this is where we are at. I hope William does the right thing and reverses this decision in the future.

Hilarious.

People believe a hereditary monarchy, bt divine right of falling out of a magical cooch, is/should based on some sort of meritocracy😂

2 days to go!

Except the changes suggested wouldn't be based on meritocracy. Even if it was, given Harry’s lack of education and poor coping skills, he would still never be made king. 🤣🤣🤣

What an odd thing to say. Harry is thick so he could never have been on the throne? He went to University, hardly 'a lack of education'.
If that's the case, I think that also applies to Charles too who did worse at school and Uni than Harry

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He went to University, hardly 'a lack of education'.
If that's the case, I think that also applies to Charles too who did worse at school and Uni than Harry

I didn't think Harry had been to university?
I'm not saying that would make him more or less intelligent, it's just that I thought he went to Sandhurst.
Maybe a military college is the same as university?

Even if it was, given Harry’s lack of education and poor coping skills, he would still never be made king

The military entrusted Harry with an Apache helicopter. Extremely hard to pilot, I’ve read. The military don’t put people ‘with poor coping skills’ in charge of the most ‘advanced helicopter in the world’ worth anywhere from $15 million to $20 million dollars.