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Kate Middleton raves - today’s top story. What are they getting at?

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Pyri · 14/08/2023 19:56

Y’know when the Daily Mail or any other tabloid runs a random story it’s actually about something else and they’re trying really unsubtley to tell you? (Ie Ryan giggs of many affairs being painted as a loving husband with snaps of him looking absolutely miserable shortly before the affairs broke)

What are the DM trying to say here?

some interesting lines, particularly about the Chumleys staying “close to the royals”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12405601/Kate-Middleton-went-music-festival-friend-Rose-Hanbury.html#comments-12405601

Kate Middleton 'went to music festival' with her friend Rose Hanbury

The Princess of Wales, 41, is understood to have made her first ever visit to a music festival at the weekend, albeit a very upper-class one at Houghton Hall in Norfolk.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12405601/Kate-Middleton-went-music-festival-friend-Rose-Hanbury.html#comments-12405601

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upinaballoon · 18/08/2023 22:01

tarheelbaby · 18/08/2023 12:28

Perhaps the article about Kate and the so-called rave is a way actually to say that William went shooting. The article does mention that he was not there but does not explain where he was and points out that it was the glorious 12th. If he did go shooting, he would probably not want a big article about that. Considered this way, Kate's rave is a decoy (see what I did there).

No, I don't see what you did there.

asterdaisy · 18/08/2023 22:05

The idea of Kate's story as a decoy is a large stretch.
But there are parts of the story that appear unlikely

MrsFinkelstein · 18/08/2023 22:50

AliceOlive · 18/08/2023 20:28

Oh no, Mrs Finkelstein. We’ve all apparently just fallen off the turnip truck. How could we possibly know what things mean?

Indeed @AliceOlive , us serfs don't have the brains to understand all these high falutin' intelligentsia talks and words.

Morestrangerthings1 · 18/08/2023 23:51

Serenster · 18/08/2023 17:13

She is implying that the marriage of the Marquess and Marchioness of Cholmondeley, is a lavender marriage. Which is a completely unwarranted speculation into the private lives of private individuals, about whom I presume she knows nothing.

Which is a completely unwarranted
speculation into the private lives of private individuals, about whom I presume she knows nothing.

Can all the unwarranted speculation about Harry and Meghan stop now too?

pilates · 19/08/2023 06:57

I wish the unwarranted speculation of anyone’s marriage would stop. It’s just nasty. What is wrong with people that they get their kicks out of posting such made up tripe?

PrincessTigger · 19/08/2023 07:49

We need a Harry and Meghan jar

Serenster · 19/08/2023 13:20

Can all the unwarranted speculation about Harry and Meghan stop now too?

I’d like that too - I dislike all speculation about people’s marriages.

AliceOlive · 19/08/2023 13:23

PrincessTigger · 19/08/2023 07:49

We need a Harry and Meghan jar

I think we especially need it for threads that aren’t about them where people who ostensibly intend to support them keep attempting to turn the conversation to them.

AliceOlive · 19/08/2023 13:26

pilates · 19/08/2023 06:57

I wish the unwarranted speculation of anyone’s marriage would stop. It’s just nasty. What is wrong with people that they get their kicks out of posting such made up tripe?

I think people that engage in this have complete lack of boundaries and no sense of treating others as they’d wish to be treated.

They seem incredibly unhappy. Ditto with people that disparage someone’s looks or point out weight gain.

pilates · 19/08/2023 13:35

Yes I suppose it says more about them

Samcro · 19/08/2023 16:17

I do agree about the marriage stuff.
W&K have a young family, surely everyone wants them to all be happy.

queentim · 20/08/2023 00:55

Just going to bookmark some posts for future reference, especially re: the private lives of private (and public) individuals, talk of marriages, rumours, and the like. Don't mind me!

@vera99 can't believe the article slipped "alleged romantic rival" in there, yikes!

vera99 · 20/08/2023 09:08

I should probably take the hint and shut up but as arch royalists such as Tina Brown are happy to speculate about royal stuff along with a huge part of the population and as this original post it was clear there was an agenda I'm surprised pearl clutchers want to police it rather than take the high ground and avoid.

If my memory serves me right it was a tweet (later quickly deleted) by the Times journalist Giles Coren whose lunches monthly with best friend Tom Parker-Bowles that started the speculation in earnest. Followed by a number of nudge nudge articles across the media with the verifiable outcome that W&K stopped socialising with the Cholmondeleys for a number of years. This well trailed rave appearance plugs into that heritage.

Tina Brown confidently asserts that the future of the Windsor dynasty lies in Kate's hands should she go rogue a la Diana then we are probably in the end game as the British public won't wash increasing dysfunction were that to happen. Since their only job is to provide some constitutional national mystical glue that apparently hold us all together and informs our identity as a nation then holding them to account like similarly democratically elected representatives is part and parcel of the role of engaged activist citizens.

Harry believes and probably with good reason Meghan and him were thrown to the wolves to keep the press from scrutinising matters closer to home. A conclusion that I minded to concur with.

If the Windsor's resign and become normal citizens then they will be not be expected to meet these exacting standards and will have an expectation of a more normal private life. The Queen referred to them as The Firm after all. It is a business - a family business that we all pay for the privilege whether we like it or not.

(what a load of guff ed.......)

PrincessTigger · 20/08/2023 09:21

vera99 · 20/08/2023 09:08

I should probably take the hint and shut up but as arch royalists such as Tina Brown are happy to speculate about royal stuff along with a huge part of the population and as this original post it was clear there was an agenda I'm surprised pearl clutchers want to police it rather than take the high ground and avoid.

If my memory serves me right it was a tweet (later quickly deleted) by the Times journalist Giles Coren whose lunches monthly with best friend Tom Parker-Bowles that started the speculation in earnest. Followed by a number of nudge nudge articles across the media with the verifiable outcome that W&K stopped socialising with the Cholmondeleys for a number of years. This well trailed rave appearance plugs into that heritage.

Tina Brown confidently asserts that the future of the Windsor dynasty lies in Kate's hands should she go rogue a la Diana then we are probably in the end game as the British public won't wash increasing dysfunction were that to happen. Since their only job is to provide some constitutional national mystical glue that apparently hold us all together and informs our identity as a nation then holding them to account like similarly democratically elected representatives is part and parcel of the role of engaged activist citizens.

Harry believes and probably with good reason Meghan and him were thrown to the wolves to keep the press from scrutinising matters closer to home. A conclusion that I minded to concur with.

If the Windsor's resign and become normal citizens then they will be not be expected to meet these exacting standards and will have an expectation of a more normal private life. The Queen referred to them as The Firm after all. It is a business - a family business that we all pay for the privilege whether we like it or not.

(what a load of guff ed.......)

Our constitutional set up is a parliamentary monarchy. That’s the status quo. Those who want to change it need to persuade people to vote for a different system, and do it democratically. The status quo currently commands a majority of support in the country. The solution is not to torture the incumbents with false & hurtful rumours in the hopes that they will leave, and if they don’t say they deserve it because they could have quit.

vera99 · 20/08/2023 09:31

I re-read Hilary Mantle's humbling brilliant essay Royal Bodies in which she asks for mercy for these tortured souls. Though her charitable conclusion isn't borne out by her withering portrayal of Kate in the introduction.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v35/n04/hilary-mantel/royal-bodies

Is monarchy a suitable institution for a grown-up nation? I don’t know. I have described how my own sympathies were activated and my simple ideas altered. The debate is not high on our agenda. We are happy to allow monarchy to be an entertainment, in the same way that we license strip joints and lap-dancing clubs. Adulation can swing to persecution, within hours, within the same press report: this is what happened to Prince Harry recently. You can understand that anybody treated this way can be destabilised, and that Harry doesn’t know which he is, a person or a prince. Diana was spared, at least, the prospect of growing old under the flashbulbs, a crime for which the media would have made her suffer. It may be that the whole phenomenon of monarchy is irrational, but that doesn’t mean that when we look at it we should behave like spectators at Bedlam. Cheerful curiosity can easily become cruelty. It can easily become fatal. We don’t cut off the heads of royal ladies these days, but we do sacrifice them, and we did memorably drive one to destruction a scant generation ago. History makes fools of us, makes puppets of us, often enough. But it doesn’t have to repeat itself. In the current case, much lies within our control. I’m not asking for censorship. I’m not asking for pious humbug and smarmy reverence. I’m asking us to back off and not be brutes. Get your pink frilly frocks out, zhuzh up your platinum locks. We are all Barbara Cartland now. The pen is in our hands. A happy ending is ours to write.

Hilary Mantel · Royal Bodies · LRB 21 February 2013

Our current royal family doesn’t have the difficulties in breeding that pandas do, but pandas and royal persons alike...

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v35/n04/hilary-mantel/royal-bodies

Angrycat2768 · 20/08/2023 09:37

A lot of the time they do this to themselves- either by behaving badly then trying to cover it up through deflection. By offering up other family members to the press to protect the main characters they breed resentment, by insisting on stupid rules, by leaking against each other or allowing their staff to leak stories to the press, by using PR instead of actually doing the work etc etc. They have everything handed to them on a plate yet still consort with shady characters because they feel they are entitled to more. Why is this silly story about Kate going to a ' rave' still going? Was it ' leaked' as some kind of PR thing but only the Palace couldn't foresee the consequences? Same with William not turning up to the World Cup. Obvious to everyone but presumably highly paid PR professionals. Is it because their PR is useless or because they are given advice they refuse to listen to because they don't listen to staff?

Nono22972 · 20/08/2023 10:23

Why is this silly story about Kate going to a ' rave' still going? Was it ' leaked' as some kind of PR thing but only the Palace couldn't foresee the consequences?

I definitely think it was leaked but not by the Palace. Richard Eden, who wrote the article, has written several times for the Mail about Rose and her family. A couple of months ago, he wrote about how Rose's dad was stopped at the airport by authorities, something like that so he's definitely in close contact with that family.

I think the Cholmondeleys leaked it to him, not to prove that the affair didn't happen but to promote their festival. I'm pretty sure none of us knew that it existed yet here we are days later, still talking about it

vera99 · 20/08/2023 10:52

This is Telegraph code for disgusted of Tunbridge Wells wants you to get off your arse and do some work and preserve the Institution for the good of the Establishment.

The Prince’s decision not to travel has been put in stark relief by the expected attendance of Queen Letizia of Spain.
Critics have suggested that he almost certainly would have travelled had England’s men reached the final.
Gabby Logan, the sports broadcaster, said she is “disappointed” that William will not be attending the final.
Appearing on BBC’s Newscast, Ms Logan was asked her thoughts on both the Prince and Prime Minister Rishi Sunak not travelling to cheer on the Lionesses.
The 50-year-old said: “I have to say I’m disappointed that Prince William isn’t going with his role at the FA and the history that is going to happen and be created on Sunday, one way or the other.
“I just wonder would neither of those people come to a men’s World Cup final, would Britain not be represented by at least one of those two figures at a men’s World Cup and I can’t help thinking that they would be there.
“I don’t know what prior engagements that can’t be moved or if there’s something that’s enormously important that is getting in the way of this, but it does feel like we should have somebody of national (importance).”
On Friday Lord Vaizey, the former Tory culture minister, said it was “unthinkable” that the pair would not attend a World Cup final in which England men were playing.
William had visited the England training ground at St George’s Park to meet the Lionesses before they left for Australia.

Lionesses saw off an entire nation – now England can believe it’s coming home

Sarina Wiegman’s side held their nerve in a cauldron-like atmosphere in Sydney to set up the nation's biggest match since 1966

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/08/16/england-reach-womens-world-cup-final-footballs-coming-home/

vera99 · 20/08/2023 10:54

OOps wrong thread.

MamoruHisaishi · 21/08/2023 08:22

I find it absolutely repulsive that some people here are still going on about the cheating rumours as if there was any evidence to it. The people who have claimed to be in the know about this so called affair have already retracted their claims and this should have been the end of it. Would these same posters be happy if we were to speculate on the marriage of the Sussexes, of which there have also been (unproven) rumours of a separation and cheating?

cobicat · 21/08/2023 09:29

@MamoruHisaishi

It's simple jealousy. Kate really is living her best life - and it drives them insane.

Samcro · 21/08/2023 11:57

i hate all the cheating rumours stuff. made up BS imo.
but I do think on here people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

AcesBaseballbat · 21/08/2023 13:55

The whole rave story is just bizarre.

She went to a formal dinner at the Hall, but then also ate dinner at the restaurant in the rave. Two dinners?

She went to a formal dinner and had to be persuaded to make an impromptu stop at the rave, but isn't dressed for dinner at all. I can hardly believe she attended a dinner at Houghton Hall wearing black skinny jeans and white trainers. So it was a spur of the moment decision but she just happened to have a clubbing outfit?

The media using the story to drop heavy hints about William not being present, why?

Can't figure out who leaked this and why.

asterdaisy · 21/08/2023 13:59

@cobicat not at all.
The story makes no sense so obviously some of it is untrue. But why make this up? It makes no real sense.

asterdaisy · 21/08/2023 14:01

@Nono22972 the cholmondleys leaking this made up story to promote their festival at least makes sense.