Kate Hate

[MamoruHisaishi]

I came across some old threads in other forums and also articles where Catherine was being criticized for being lazy, dumb, overrated, a gold digger and called all sorts of names. There were even threads that questioned why people disliked her so much, and multiple pages of replies stating why she was so disliked. I am wondering why this seems to have now been forgotten, even if Meghan became the new media target, why is it hardly mentioned the amount of hate and vitriol that Catherine went through?

I feel terrible for both Kate and Meghan because these two women are the scapegoats of this family feud. It went from Harry vs Family to mostly Kate vs Meghan. They're the ones getting the most hate.

Harry is the one doing interviews, the book,... yet the narrative is that poor, traumatised Harry is getting brainwashed by evil Meghan to destroy his family as if Harry isn't a grown man, capable of making his own choices. But I feel terrible for her. Her family, marriage and children are under attack. The fact that some people still believe that these children don't exist, I have no words...

As for Kate, this is where I have a problem with Harry because his attacks feel very targeted towards Kate and William. He said that Meghan was mistreated by the institution but instead of criticising the institution as a whole, he went after individuals. He never criticised his grandmother, the head of the "toxic institution", the most influential person in that establishment who could've been the one who could actually help Meghan. Just imagine, one statement from the Queen about the media treatment she was subjected to could've calm things down in an instant.
He was also very sympathetic to Charles in his book.
The villains of his story are definitely Kate and William. He himself said that he and William weren't close but those two were supposed to be extra welcoming and solve all of their problems.
I keep saying that there's a reason why H&M go after Kate harder than after anyone else in the family, that's because Harry is definitely leading by example but I feel terrible for her. The level of hate she's been receiving since 2021 is absolutely disgusting: she was receiving death threats after the Oprah interview, her marriage is constantly under attack (let's be honest, the only reason people still talk about those RH rumours is because H&M supporters and hate sites like Celebitchy are keeping this rumour alive. Tweets about that rumour still get thousands of likes daily, the same way they made that pegging rumour trend for days and how they made KKKate trend during the Queen’s funeral), people mock her weight saying she has an eating disorder, her children are getting attacked daily too (I think that's the reason we've only got one photo of George. The Sussexes and Waleses faves have been acting crazy on twitter this past week, going after all of the children's looks), she gets nicknamed after white supremacist groups. Kate hate tweets always get tens of thousands of likes.

Both sides are crazy, unhinged bullies and my only question is why? I hope neither of them have a secret twitter account

Agree 100%

Such a good accurate post, thanks.

I don't know about MN, I wasn't here at the time. I'm talking about the media. Harry released a statement about 2 particular articles. Other than that, the press were overwhelmingly positive and it started to change after they got married. They even said so in their Netflix show.

Kate didn't get just called lazy and Waity Katie though. She was targeted by ISIS fanatics a few years ago, planning to poison her food

An ISIS supporter got arrested a few years ago after planning to attack George at his school (another reason why I don't understand why the public needs to know where these kids go to school)

Are a lot of the attacks towards Meghan racially motivated? Absolutely but unfortunately, being a member of the RF can bring a lot of hate. A lot of the hate Meghan was receiving at the beginning were from anti monarchists, people don't want to talk about that.

Being a royal makes you a target. Charles was shot at. The Queen was once shot at 6 times. Anne was almost kidnapped. There had been instances of people breaking into royal palaces over the years and let's not forget the media who can build you up to just bring you down

Oh and let's not forget H&M supporters constantly crying about Meghan being bullied online (as they should) yet have no problem bullying and sending threats to not only Kate and William but also the children and rarely get called out

I do hope you aren't referring to regular posters on here

You need to qualify who you mean that bullies and sends threats to Kate and her children

No, MN is actually okay. I don't know how it was before. I just joined a few months ago. I'm talking about Twitter and Instagram mostly

And I have to say, being neutral is so hard. I used to have a fan page on Instagram and royalists would attack me when I defended Meghan and I was also getting attacked everytime I had something positive to say about the RF. I ended up leaving because that was too much 😣

I'm not American and have never been to America except on hols once when I was 15 so I really have no idea what may "be the case in the USA" or what "an Americanised view of race" is.

Goodness me, I really thought "Both Kate and Meghan were bullied and smeared but Meghan had it worse because she had the additional factor of racism" was a pretty straightforward and non-controversial thing to say, but apparently black Brits aren't allowed to even acknowledge that racism exists without being ranted at.

I don't know why you're so determined to shoehorn America and American racial politics into this, but it's derailing, please stop. It's extremely weird that when black BRITISH posters talk about their personal experience of racism, people start ranting about America, saying that black Brits can't possibly understand Britain and that we're obviously not British enough to understand our own bloody country, and acting like racism is some kind of uniquely American thing.

an otherwise completely innocuous post - this is what I am talking about, not actual direct racism

But obviously the posts are NOT "completely innocuous" if black people can see microaggressions and racist dog whistles in them, are they?

It's not really a surprise that people who aren't black believe anything other than "actual direct racism" doesn't count as racism.

Yes it is frustrating but I have seen it here on MN quite a bit, where we are told Britain or the Uk doesn't have the kind of problem America does and I actually think that's part of the reason people dislike Meghan. They do not appreciate an American of any colour pointing the finger at our precious country and telling us, hey, you guys have the same problem. Any mere mention of racism is apparently telling everyone they're racist and attributing every dislike of Meghan to race. Its actually hard to have any kind of conversation about race in Britain on this forum- outside of our special section!

Ticks off "accusing black people of imagining or making up racism" in the "things only massive racists say" bingo sheet.

I think we are never going to agree. I am not talking about things that are clearly racist, as in expressed prejudice against someone’s ethnic background or skin colour. I’m talking about mind-reading: where an opinion is expressed that cannot on its own be described as racist, but a person who disagrees with the point decides that the only reason a person could have reached such a view is because they are secretly racist. It happens on MN all the time and is very annoying. I’m a minority, I experience racism, but I can’t read people’s minds, anyone who thinks they can I will not be taking seriously.

You keep making the same mistake that other minorities don’t experience racism. It’s very frustrating and offensive. I’ve experienced overt racism all my life, my brother was attacked in Golders Green just last year. I think I know what racism is thank you very much.

It's just basic fact. When people have suffered insults and digs because of their race, they're going to think that every bad word spoken to them is because of their race. It's only natural. And sometimes that might be the case. And sometimes it might not.

Tell me about it - so many men feel they have to walk on eggshells around women because of all of the systemic discrimination, violence, insults and digs that they have inflicted that they're going to think that every bad word spoken to them is because they are women. And most of the time we know it is not because women are just too sensistive these days.

Because the argument that Meghan bashing is racist falls apart if you acknowledge that social media/newspapers put many women through the same thing?

If you trawl the internet you can find anything to national your point of view.
on mumsnet there have been 100’s of threads bashing Meghan, even threads about other royals end up bashing Meghan
(look at this thread)
so on mumsnet Kate does not get the hate that Meghan gets

On Mumsnet that’s true, not so everywhere though

@AcesBaseballbat

While Prince George didn’t have Neo Nazi threats, he was threatened with murder by Isis thugs.

I have no words for any groups that threaten innocent children. They are beyond human.

I just wanted to clear it up as your post seemed to imply that Archie was the only one being threatened

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a21083761/prince-george-extra-security-isis-threat/

Please stop derailing.

This happens literally any time anyone suggests that Meghan might ever have experienced a whiff of racism: immediately the same tired old arguments begin:
*Black people make up racism.
*Black people see racism where non exists (relying on the racist stereotype of the angry black woman, or the trope that black people are oversensitive)
*Stop playing the race card.
*Black people are the real racists because you're racist against white people.
*Other royals got criticism too ergo racism isn't valid.

All designed to derail the thread away from Kate or whatever and into a argument about racism, so that when the thread is inevitably deleted, they can cry and claim the mean black women derailed their thread into deletion.

Every. Single. Time.

(Not that it matters but my dad is Jewish, I was raised in Stanmore as a semi-practising Jew, I underwent an Orthodox conversion at 19 in order to be accepted as a patrilineal Jew. Judaism and especially British Judaism has a huge problem with Ashkenormativity and oppression/exclusion of Jews of colour and although I'm not Beta Israel, I spent time with some in Rehovot with Haymanot there and learned about the systemic government oppression of Black African Jews and how poorly black Jews are integrated into Jewish society. Don't you fucking dare accuse me of being an antisemite just because I pointed out that people who aren't black shouldn't accuse black people of making up or imagining dog whistles and coded anti-black comments. If a gentile said that Jews see antisemitism where there is none I'm sure you'd be pretty pissed off too.)

I saw a thread on (Quora? Twitter? My apologies, I don’t remember) about how the U.S. learned all its racist ways from the U.K., mainly England, I think it said.
Really?
You’re so delusional and so inept and so bereft of morals that you can’t accept responsibility for your own actions?
You learned that at home, honey.
My one parent was racist. They were raised by racists who were raised by racists who were raised by racists ad nauseam. That’s how racism works. You can either keep that chain around your neck or you can break free.
I was born in California & live here. My parent was born in the Deep South. Two completely different environments and two completely different mindsets.
I half-think people know they’re racist and don’t care - and I half-think that people don’t know any better.
My parent was never racist out in public - they definitely knew better.

I’m sure Kate had a really awful time of it but to suggest it was in anyway as bad as MM is simply not true. I’m sure that has a lot to do with the rise of social media but the online abuse MM has been unprecedented.

I think I know what racism is thank you very much.

I’m also sure that you are aware of things that people say to that are not overtly antisemitic but have their roots in antisemitism and many people don’t know of their roots and will blithely repeat them. This is the same for other groups - there are things that people say that have their roots in white supremacy but there is enough plausible deniability that many people will say that the POC hearing them are imagining things. Racism is very much alive in the UK and the fight against it is not something that has been imported from the US.