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MamoruHisaishi · 2023-07-23T11:03:14+00:00

I came across some old threads in other forums and also articles where Catherine was being criticized for being lazy, dumb, overrated, a gold digger and called all sorts of names. There were even threads that questioned why people disliked her so much, and multiple pages of replies stating why she was so disliked. I am wondering why this seems to have now been forgotten, even if Meghan became the new media target, why is it hardly mentioned the amount of hate and vitriol that Catherine went through?

MrsFinkelstein · 26/07/2023 07:47

Nono22972 · 26/07/2023 04:47

I don't think Meghan's treatment and Kate's treatment can be compared because the way the media is today is completely different to what it was in the 2000s. Kate's haters were mostly the printed press, royal blogs and the used to get mobbed by paparazzis a lot and today, she does get a lot hate on social media mostly from unhinged people creating crazy rumours about her life, from her marriage to people attacking the children, to her family, to people creating rumours about her body,her mental state... it's a lot. Someone explained it to me perfectly: Kate has never really put a foot wrong since entering the RF. She's a perfectionist so a lot of people would really love to see her fall and lose control.

Meghan got on the scene in 2016. At that time, because of the emergence of smartphones and the rise of social media, I would say that most of her haters are online. The era where famous people would get mobbed by 20-30 photographers doesn't really exist anymore (unless you're a huge star). Anyone with a smartphone can be a paparazzi nowadays.

As I said, I think the vast majority of the hate comes from social media because most of England don't hate her like so many people like to believe. Social media don't represent all of us. For example, only 18% of the UK population are on Twitter and only 8% are on Tiktok which is where, I've noticed, are the places where both Kate and Meghan get the most hate. Most people here don't spend their whole day hating on her. As I said before, other than her supporters, her haters, royal watchers and the press, most people here don't really care.
Meghan obviously went through some racism in the press but I would say, as someone who's on most social media platforms, a lot of the full blown racism that I see from time to time is on social media and sadly I'm not really surprised because the way all of these platforms "deal with" racism is just ridiculous. So many people I know got racially abused and nothing happens after these accounts get reported. These CEO like Elon Musk and Zuckerberg definitely need to do more. This is way bigger than Meghan.

Though, what H, M and mostly their supporters need to understand is that there will always be gossip about them. Not only are they known worldwide but they have transitioned from being royals to being celebrities. No matter who they are, there's always going to be gossip about them. Just last week, there were rumours that H&M had separated. That same publication posted on the same day that Gwen Stefani and Gavin were having marital issues yet they were seen days later looking as happy as ever with their children. Whether it's the British press or American press, there will always be gossip and that royal family feud sells which is why the press need this feud to go on as long as possible while both parties are probably just not talking to each other but nothing toxic.

I have to say that I don’t know how Kate and other royals are doing it. I doubt they spend their all day sitting at home, reading what people have to say about them and for the royal advisors to always tell the family to never respond, I would have a mental breakdown if I couldn't correct every ridiculous story that is out there about me. I don't know how Kate does it

Excellent post, completely agree.

Roussette · 26/07/2023 07:47

Howsimplywonderful · 26/07/2023 07:46

Why don’t you head back to the Dan Wootton thread.

What? Are you telling me to leave this thread?

Sorry, no. You can't direct posters where they can post, and where they can't.

Howsimplywonderful · 26/07/2023 07:50

I’m not supporting him, I’m just disagreeing with you that it’s the most shocking thing I’ve ever seen.

Don’t try to put words in my mouth. I don’t agree with Dan Wootton. I don’t know him at all, so please keep the posts on that thread.

notanotheroneagain · 26/07/2023 07:51

spread racist propaganda and attitudes, and continually remind non white viewers and citizens that they can never be part of the Royal family. But every fable has its moral and that is the moral of this one.

Great post @pikkumyy77
And this is the crux of it all.

For any position of influence. Be it politics, media, finance, you name it. Non-whites have to be reminded that they don't belong there. That they are somehow incompetent.

It's always funny to me how everyone always say "Kate never put a foot wrong", when Meghan was in the RF, she did her work very well and never said a word, but she was still getting all this vitriol.

notanotheroneagain · 26/07/2023 07:53

Why should Dan Wootton be kept out of it, when he is one of the main instigators.

Howsimplywonderful · 26/07/2023 07:53

‘never said a word’ 🤣

Meghan went on Oprah and trashed the RF 🤣

She lied and lied and lied. She was found out. End of story.

Roussette · 26/07/2023 07:54

Howsimplywonderful · 26/07/2023 07:50

I’m not supporting him, I’m just disagreeing with you that it’s the most shocking thing I’ve ever seen.

Don’t try to put words in my mouth. I don’t agree with Dan Wootton. I don’t know him at all, so please keep the posts on that thread.

We are talking about 'Kate hate'. This thread was introduced to knock Meghan and say she didn't have it so bad.

My link illustrates that and to repeat, I have clicked now about 15 times on the tweets from DW. All derogatory about M&H.

Stop telling me where I can post. My link is relevant.

I never said 'it was the most shocking thing I've ever seen' so maybe stop putting words in my mouth too. I said 'shocking'. That was all.

Howsimplywonderful · 26/07/2023 07:55

@notanotheroneagain

Dan has his own thread, creates to discuss things like these ‘shocking tweets’ so probably best to do it there

Roussette · 26/07/2023 07:55

notanotheroneagain · 26/07/2023 07:53

Why should Dan Wootton be kept out of it, when he is one of the main instigators.

God alone knows. The link is obviously uncomfortable for some to see.

notanotheroneagain · 26/07/2023 07:56

loveheartsonaflower · 25/07/2023 03:01

I’m sure Kate had a really awful time of it but to suggest it was in anyway as bad as MM is simply not true. I’m sure that has a lot to do with the rise of social media but the online abuse MM has been unprecedented.

It is most disingenuous indeed.

When Kate and others we're trolled, no one cared if you did not read gossip. What has been glaring about Meghan is the crossover to normal news coverage. Most people who did not even care about royals sat up due to the barrage of bad press about her.

Worse, it seems that bad press was coming from the palace most of it.

notanotheroneagain · 26/07/2023 07:58

Howsimplywonderful · 26/07/2023 07:53

‘never said a word’ 🤣

Meghan went on Oprah and trashed the RF 🤣

She lied and lied and lied. She was found out. End of story.

When Meghan was in the Royal Family

The rest are your own views, after she left the family I may add.

Howsimplywonderful · 26/07/2023 08:00

I don’t want to spend my days posting about Meghan. I am interested in the abuse that Kate has faced and risen beyond.

I thought this thread was about that

Howsimplywonderful · 26/07/2023 08:05

If I was bored and had nothing to do I could join Twitter and create a montage of hate but the ‘sussex squad’ and other nuts who post the most insane things about Kate and then post it here on a kate thread.

I wouldn’t post it on the Dan Wootton thread though

notanotheroneagain · 26/07/2023 08:08

Mentioning Dan Wootton is more important than some randoms on the internet, because he is spreading hate on national TV and publications. He has a loud platform. Infact, he is the one that encourages 'nutters', as you call them.

Samcro · 26/07/2023 08:10

Howsimplywonderful · 26/07/2023 07:55

@notanotheroneagain

Dan has his own thread, creates to discuss things like these ‘shocking tweets’ so probably best to do it there

this thread is about Kate, yet has turned into yet another Meghan bash. bit hypocritical to tell someone to leave the the thread.

Howsimplywonderful · 26/07/2023 08:11

You’ve got you’re own Dan Wootton thread, please discuss Dan Wootton there.

Roussette · 26/07/2023 08:12

Howsimplywonderful · 26/07/2023 08:05

If I was bored and had nothing to do I could join Twitter and create a montage of hate but the ‘sussex squad’ and other nuts who post the most insane things about Kate and then post it here on a kate thread.

I wouldn’t post it on the Dan Wootton thread though

'sussex squad' are private individuals.

Dan Wotton is a news broadcaster with an audience.

Rather different. One montage from one so say news mouthpiece that has a platform on a news channel

Roussette · 26/07/2023 08:14

Howsimplywonderful · 26/07/2023 08:11

You’ve got you’re own Dan Wootton thread, please discuss Dan Wootton there.

I am not discussing Dan Wootton.

We are discussing the amount of hate media out there and the OP brought up Meghan in her thread original post.

You keep telling people where to post. Stop.

PrincessTigger · 26/07/2023 08:26

Kate does get a lot of abuse on Twitter and TikTok. Meghan also gets a lot of abuse on Twitter but not really TikTok yet (definitely turning against her though). It may only be random individuals but there are a lot of them!

escapingthecity · 26/07/2023 08:32

Surely the biggest difference between the treatment of Kate and Meghan is the rise of social media in the decade separating their arrival in the royal family? Kate got a lot of shit from the press which the Meghan superfans are unaware of, but it wasn't backed up by unhinged loons on Twitter. She chose not to engage with the criticism and got on with being a textbook royal duchess and great mum through 3 very difficult pregnancies. That's why she's now adored.
Meghan had the misfortune to join the royal family when every troll and bot on the internet now had an outlet to air their opinion, and she and Harry clearly look at SM way way way too much (presumably her past as an IG influencer has her too tuned into it). It's not that Britain and all the British media is horribly racist, it's that the crazed rantings of a few idiots somehow became characterised as What Britain Thinks. There were so many media pieces celebrating what their marriage might mean and being really optimistic about their future role. So many! All that happiness around their wedding! They threw away that goodwill by their own actions, unhelpfully informed by paranoia because they weren't protected from the worst of the online nuttery by their teams.

skullbabe · 26/07/2023 08:35

this thread is about Kate

This thread was created to Meghan bash.

LaMarschallin · 26/07/2023 08:41

Nono22972

Social media don't represent all of us. For example, only 18% of the UK population are on Twitter and only 8% are on Tiktok which is where, I've noticed, are the places where both Kate and Meghan get the most hate. Most people here don't spend their whole day hating on her. As I said before, other than her supporters, her haters, royal watchers and the press, most people here don't really care.

I didn't know the percentages but I'm not surprised.
I started a thread asking why people read these threads and a lot of people said that, like me, people they know irl aren't interested, so they come here to talk about the RF.
I know how much time I waste spend here and I really don't have time for anything else online (apart from the Guardian and the Times crossword blogs). It's always surprising to me how invested a very tiny amount of people are, based on times of posting, references to other SM sites, links truffled out etc
It's got to the point where I'm as interested in their behaviour as in the RF: ie not desperately interested but my curiosity is piqued.

PopGoesTheWeaselYetAgain · 26/07/2023 08:42

pikkumyy77 · 25/07/2023 12:11

I’m not British but I am interested in the phenomenon that is being discussed here—and it is a phenomenon not a natural feature of the social world. The expressed attitudes of posters towards members of the royal family and specifically the young, in married, women are largely manufactured. People, perhaps sincerely, think they are simply expressing their real/own feelings but who they identify with, whether they champion Kate or Meghan, the very idea that each “represents” or appeals to different sectors is largely manufactured for clicks, eyeballs, and money.

The British press and various components of the heavily monetized influencer/online actors make money selling eyeballs to advertisers. They make money whether its hate clicks or love clicks but its easier to sell hate and you clearly need less access or real info to continually sell bitchy, warmed over, gossip.

Anyone looking critically at the coverage of Meghan and Kate would instantly recognize the obvious fact that the press has routinely built up the royal girlfriends, torn them down, and sometimes rebuilt them. This manufactured storyline is no different than the “kayfabe” storylines of the WWE. Sometimes the princess is a “face” or heroine, sometimes she is a “heel.” The manufactured storyline creates fans and anti fans and both can be easily stimulated and manipulated.

Because racism is a natural feature if British society (as all others) and classism snd anti american ressentiment it is easy for the viewer to get sucked into a fantasy infotainment, a serialized, in the press, story of Kate vs Meghan and white vs black. Kate’s fans naturally deny that their passionate anti Meghan attitudes are based in racist tropes, spread racist propaganda and attitudes, and continually remind non white viewers and citizens that they can never be part of the Royal family. But every fable has its moral and that is the moral of this one.

I've heard this argument many times. My problem with it is that I liked Meghan and Harry when the press had turned against them. It was when they started putting out their own statement and doing interviews that I was put off. They just weren't the people I had thought they were.

Howsimplywonderful · 26/07/2023 08:42

I remember Serenster showing early threads on here at the time of Kate’s engagement saying things like ‘I wish she would die already’.
Other long standing posters minimise it ‘oh that was nothing compared…

Some people just hate, and SM has been addictive to them for that purpose and has exploded those feelings.

PrincessTigger · 26/07/2023 08:53

escapingthecity · 26/07/2023 08:32

Surely the biggest difference between the treatment of Kate and Meghan is the rise of social media in the decade separating their arrival in the royal family? Kate got a lot of shit from the press which the Meghan superfans are unaware of, but it wasn't backed up by unhinged loons on Twitter. She chose not to engage with the criticism and got on with being a textbook royal duchess and great mum through 3 very difficult pregnancies. That's why she's now adored.
Meghan had the misfortune to join the royal family when every troll and bot on the internet now had an outlet to air their opinion, and she and Harry clearly look at SM way way way too much (presumably her past as an IG influencer has her too tuned into it). It's not that Britain and all the British media is horribly racist, it's that the crazed rantings of a few idiots somehow became characterised as What Britain Thinks. There were so many media pieces celebrating what their marriage might mean and being really optimistic about their future role. So many! All that happiness around their wedding! They threw away that goodwill by their own actions, unhelpfully informed by paranoia because they weren't protected from the worst of the online nuttery by their teams.

I also think Meghan made a big mistake when she aired her grievances about Kate in the Oprah interview. It really gave credence to the idea that it’s Meghan vs Kate, pick a side. Even if she had intended to set the dogs on Kate (which I don’t think she did) it should have been obvious that not everyone would take her side and that it would backfire. I thought them appearing together after the Queen’s death might change things but it hasn’t made much difference in the long run.