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pilates · 18/06/2023 09:26

Oh yes let’s call it bullying to shut people down. You reap what you sow.

If you are not nice to people it will come back to you.

Both M & H’s behaviour was appalling to his family; particularly his dying Grandparents.

So please stop making them the victims. And let’s face it they are both as bad as each other. They feed of each other.

IcedPurple · 18/06/2023 09:31

TrashyPanda · 18/06/2023 07:52

That’s a very interesting angle.

Any Dior deal will hinge upon a few things, including

is Meghan sufficiently high profile to benefit the brand?
she isn’t a working royal, she isn’t a Hollywood A-lister.

will she bring positive publicity to Dior?
I suspect this might be the vital question.

I would ask similar questions.

Every so often we get an article about how she is on the verge of signing some lucrative 'deal'. But what would be in it for Dior? They want their clothes to be seen by potential customers, in prestigious locations, in a way which will reflect positively on the brand. But does Meghan offer them that? She has no obvious role. She is rarely seen at prestigious events. She doesn't even have social media, which is essential for reaching target audiences.

Speaking of which, who would be her target audience? Meghan is 41, which is 'old' by the standards of the entertainment and fashion industry. She's also very divisive and polarising. I could see Dior giving her freebies for the rare occasions she's seen in public, but a full on 'brand ambassador' deal seems less likely to me.

Rainbowqueeen · 18/06/2023 09:32

Well she needs to earn money somehow and the RF don’t wear much Dior that I can recall.
Yes it’s true she probably wouldn’t have been offered this without being married to Harry but it’s a role she will be good at, doesn’t involve slagging off the RF and will pay well. Good luck to her

friendlycat · 18/06/2023 09:34

We will have to wait and see how this unfolds, if it does.

The only thing that I can't particularly see is the exposure (and pay back) for Dior as currently Meghan and Harry are not Hollywood bit hitters attending all the A list party and red carpet events whereby Dior would get the coverage.

Several years ago, if things had gone to their plans, I could easily have seen such a deal but not so sure now.

StrawberryWasp · 18/06/2023 09:34

I like Meghan and Harry gossip and people's views on them.

I like to read both views: people who are critical and those who are sympathetic.

What is really really dreary is people arguing with each other about what they can/ can't say. It really spoils a potentially interesting thread.

If a poster is criticising you and your viewpoint could you not just ignore them? Don't respond. It doesn't matter if they think you are awful/ stupid/ a shill for saying it, just ignore.

Just keep saying whatever you want to say. Whatever you think about Meghan and Harry. I'm interested in that, not in reading you arguing with someone about who is the meanest.

Please. Just say what you want. Ignore attacks.

MamoruHisaishi · 18/06/2023 09:36

justsaxy · 18/06/2023 09:20

Can you please stop? You've been posting the same thing in other threads. Stop making it so personal, this isn't about you, and I suggest you take a chill pill and accept that people are allowed to comment/discuss/and yes even snark on the sussexes.

Wow. So incredibly harsh and unkind there @MamoruHisaishi

I already apologised for coming across as harsh. frankly though I'm getting annoyed at the Sussex fans here having a near melt down because people are criticising the Sussexes, and trying to shut down their opinions by calling it bullying. And I just find it hypocritical because I don't see the same level of outrage from these people when the Wales are criticized by the Sussex fans, theres even a thread here speculating on the cheating rumours of William, and I don't see them calling out people there for bullying. And it's all the more jarring when they make these accusations of bullying, because both Meghan and Harry have been accused of bullying themselves but these posters deny it and call it lies. And then they themselves start ‘bullying’ Jason Knauf by calling him a liar, thereby doing the very same thing they're accusing people of.

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skullbabe · 18/06/2023 09:37

Thread after thread after thread

Did you know the Trooping of the Colour was yesterday? Wouldn’t have thought it with all the columns and pages devoted to the Sussexes.

Howsimplywonderful · 18/06/2023 09:43

hopefully they will dress her properly now, her clothes are often poorly fitting so don’t do her justice. And her clothes choices don’t always suit her figure.

She looks fabulous in lots of colour. Dior have an ‘interesting’ stable of stars so she should fit right in

MamoruHisaishi · 18/06/2023 09:51

I don't know if Dior are willing to sign Meghan up, even if she is attractive and can be stylish at times. Like, does she have a big enough fan base or the star power to draw in customers willing to buy what she’s selling from Dior? I can understand why they would keep Johnny Depp, despite his controversies, he’s still a popular enough figure to his fans and has enough global appeal to attract customers. Then there’s Natalie Portman, Charlize Theron, all uber a list movie stars, who are known for being elegant and glamorous. I don’t see Meghan having that sort of appeal, she seems more like the cute girl next door type, and she looks her best not in gowns but in casual wear. There’s also a few kpop celebrities that dior have hired, which seems like they’re trying to expand their market into something more global and more catered to the generation z or sooner crowd. I don’t see Meghan having that kind of popularity with that generation. I also wonder why Dior wouldn’t have sought her out when the Sussexes were at their height of popularity, if they truly wanted her that would have been the best time instead of now when they’re losing their multi million dollar deals and with all the negativity surrounding them.

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MamoruHisaishi · 18/06/2023 09:51

Zoomer crowd I meant

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Samcro · 18/06/2023 09:52

please op realise that when you start a thread posters will post what they think. not every one is going to agree with you.

MamoruHisaishi · 18/06/2023 09:55

Samcro · 18/06/2023 09:52

please op realise that when you start a thread posters will post what they think. not every one is going to agree with you.

No it’s not okay for someone to call me a bully because I dare criticise the Sussexes, in a thread I created where I’m just discussing a recent article that is actually positive towards Meghan. Stop attacking me okay? That’s all I kindly ask. Don’t attack me for posting my thoughts on a couple because you don’t agree with what my views are.

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IcedPurple · 18/06/2023 09:56

MamoruHisaishi · 18/06/2023 09:51

I don't know if Dior are willing to sign Meghan up, even if she is attractive and can be stylish at times. Like, does she have a big enough fan base or the star power to draw in customers willing to buy what she’s selling from Dior? I can understand why they would keep Johnny Depp, despite his controversies, he’s still a popular enough figure to his fans and has enough global appeal to attract customers. Then there’s Natalie Portman, Charlize Theron, all uber a list movie stars, who are known for being elegant and glamorous. I don’t see Meghan having that sort of appeal, she seems more like the cute girl next door type, and she looks her best not in gowns but in casual wear. There’s also a few kpop celebrities that dior have hired, which seems like they’re trying to expand their market into something more global and more catered to the generation z or sooner crowd. I don’t see Meghan having that kind of popularity with that generation. I also wonder why Dior wouldn’t have sought her out when the Sussexes were at their height of popularity, if they truly wanted her that would have been the best time instead of now when they’re losing their multi million dollar deals and with all the negativity surrounding them.

Yes, good point. If Dior were so keen to be associated with her, wouldn't it have been more sensible to sign her up 2 or 3 years ago, even allowing for the pandemic? Her reputation and popularity have fallen considerably since then.

You also make a good point about 'global appeal'. People here say she's one of the most famous women in the world but is she really? Luxury fashion brands are increasingly targetting Asia and the Middle East rather than Western countries. Is a 41 year old former cable TV actress married to the 5th in line to the British throne really a major draw in those parts of the world?

AutumnCrow · 18/06/2023 09:57

I have just read the article in full and the number and type of 'sources' used by the Mail is interesting.

  1. 'a prominent Beverly Hills socialite' who said 'There have been rumours for weeks that she's about to sign a deal with Dior which has put the gossip mill into overdrive. If she pulls that off, then no one will remember that her silly little podcast got cancelled after one season.'
  2. 'a source at WME' who said 'It might be a shock to everyone else but we've been working on the rebranding of Meghan for weeks.'
  3. 'reputation crisis expert Eric Schiffer'. He said 'Meghan is wise to distance herself from her husband's toxic dramas.'
  4. 'One insider who used to work for Oprah Winfrey' talked about potential $$$
  5. 'image expert Mr Schiffer, chairman of Reputation Management Consultants' [same Schiffer firm as above?] said 'I think Meghan is reading the tea leaves correctly in seeking to distance herself from the toxic emotional drama that Harry seems unable to put in the past ... This is a strategy and she is getting very good advice. 'People are sick and tired of Harry constantly castigating his family and I don't think he is doing himself any favours to keep blaming the press for everything that went wrong in his life and dredging up stories from 25 years ago.'
  6. 'a source' who said stuff about Ari Emmanuel's amazing lifestyle and how Meghan will fit in
  7. 'Alison Bringe, of brand performance company Lauchmetrics' said something glowing about Meghan
  8. 'Jeremy Murphy, who runs New York's 360bespoke PR agency' said something glowing about Meghan

That's a lot of people all talking about Harry and Meghan to the MailOnline. Why aren't they being castigated? Why are they talking to the MailOnline?

It's not very complimentary about Harry at all, but it is about Meghan. Did the Mail 'investigate' this, or was it handed to them?

And the Mail will have something up its sleeve. It always does. It's like playing exploding chess.

Mumsnut · 18/06/2023 09:59

I’m sure her new agency can get her into some red carpet events, and the more she is ‘seen’, the more she will be invited to.

she has obviously been working hard at honing her figure.

sounds workable to me.

the biggest downside for Dior is that there are no obvious big royal events for her to attend in their stuff, even if the hatchet were to be buried

skullbabe · 18/06/2023 10:00

Well she needs to earn money somehow

The unspoken subtext here is that people don’t want them to be independently wealthy - they want them to fail and this will make Harry come crawling back in sack cloth and ashes. I think that WME negotiating good deals for Meghan is a good step and time will tell if they will pay off.

Elior · 18/06/2023 10:00

It is an open secret that SHE approached THEM for a mainstream arrangement like the ones exclusively offered to A list actors such as Depp and Portman. They did not want to reject her outright as she is clearly enthusiastic about their brand (although they do not seek it out or 'dress' her.

Unless Dior is bringing out a new range to celebrate body diversity or especially launching a perfume to road test her collaboration potential then it is aggressive PR put out by her own team.

MrsFinkelstein · 18/06/2023 10:00

Roussette · 18/06/2023 07:35

Quite likely. Not much to choose between the two. Both making money off the back of H&M with books about how awful they are.

Valentine Low is Royal correspondent for The Times and is a well respected journalist who has won many awards. His book "Courtiers" was not solely on H&M, in fact they were a very small part of it.

Tom Bower is not anywhere near Low's standard and quality.

Why twist the facts?

Elior · 18/06/2023 10:01

specially

TroysMammy · 18/06/2023 10:01

I didn't see any tags on show but it was reported that Harry's Coronation suit was by Dior.

SaxSick · 18/06/2023 10:03

Roussette · 18/06/2023 06:41

@DreamTheMoors @My2pence2day @lifekeepsgoing

So agree with your posts. I am astounded by some of the stuff that has been posted in the last day or so. I have never seen it before like this on MN and I've been here a long time.

So a Spotify guy was rude about them and their podcasts, he was unprofessional, H&M did nothing, haven't shown their faces, haven't commented on it... for that they are dragged through the mud, insulted, mocked, and to be honest it's been a case of people dancing on their graves.

It is bullying, plain and simple. And it appears to be quite acceptable to do that.

I hope Meghan makes a success of anything she does, with Harry alongside her. And good luck Harry with the court case, you are brave sticking your neck above the parapet, knowing what abuse you would get for doing so.

Oh yes - there was a post silenced yesterday for being insulting.

WeWereInParis · 18/06/2023 10:05

TroysMammy · 18/06/2023 10:01

I didn't see any tags on show but it was reported that Harry's Coronation suit was by Dior.

Dior posted that they dressed him

SaxSick · 18/06/2023 10:05

It will be interesting to see if this all pans out. I'm personally not sure that M has the vibe that Dior looks for. If anything I would say she is too well photographed in the press for her to stand out in an ad but who knows.

IcedPurple · 18/06/2023 10:05

Mumsnut · 18/06/2023 09:59

I’m sure her new agency can get her into some red carpet events, and the more she is ‘seen’, the more she will be invited to.

she has obviously been working hard at honing her figure.

sounds workable to me.

the biggest downside for Dior is that there are no obvious big royal events for her to attend in their stuff, even if the hatchet were to be buried

I could see Dior 'dressing her' if she manages to get invited to red carpet events. However, that's not the same as them giving her a lucrative sponsorship contract similar to what Charlize Theron and other major stars have. She' just doesn't have that level of stardom.

stillavid · 18/06/2023 10:05

I think it would be best for everyone if MM earns loads of £££ through brand deals/influencer type stuff. Am sure the RF would like that as well.

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