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Ninaplant · 23/06/2023 12:05

BadgerB · 23/06/2023 11:50

Charles Spencer was also the one who disinvited all tabloid editors from his sister’s funeral after Prince Charles had the nerve to invite them.

Yes, and I was very impressed and cheered when he gave that sermon/eulogy about how her "birth family" would look after her children.
Then he disappeared to S Africa and didn't come back until several wives later

Oh, don’t get me wrong. I believe both boys were let down after their mother’s death and it shows.

My point is that Harry is in close contact with many relatives from his side of the family. It’s just ridiculous how everyone omits the Spencers’ from his life as though they don’t exist. The RF aren’t his only family.

GennyGennyGenny · 23/06/2023 12:08

He is also very close to his cousins from his mother’s side of the family. We often forget the RF aren’t his only relatives

@Ninaplant what evidence do you have of this?

MarcelProust · 23/06/2023 12:19

Ninaplant · 23/06/2023 09:54

Yes, Charles Spencer was also the one who disinvited all tabloid editors from his sister’s funeral after Prince Charles had the nerve to invite them. I remember thinking at the time what a lousy father, inviting those that hunted harassed and slandered their mother to her actual funeral! They made her life such a misery, a 12 year old child convinced himself to adulthood that his mother hadn’t really died and that she was actually in hiding from the press and the paps. Charles’ desperation to gain favour with the tabloids at the expense of his children was in my opinion, selfish and unbecoming of a father.

It saddens me that Charles, Camilla and William have allowed these same men back into the Royal fold, after her death.

It goes the to show the power the tabloids have over the most powerful family in the UK, and how fearful they are of falling out of favour with the press.

Still can't believe how Charles and Camila let Morgan and Dacre so close to themselves.

Well, maybe I do.

Roussette · 23/06/2023 12:57

GennyGennyGenny · 23/06/2023 12:08

He is also very close to his cousins from his mother’s side of the family. We often forget the RF aren’t his only relatives

@Ninaplant what evidence do you have of this?

Can I answer this?

At the unveiling of the Diana statue it was noticeable he spent a very long time talking to both sisters and Charles Spencer (not evidence I know, but I doubt you'd be in deep conversation with people you don't get on with)

Both the sisters attended Archie's christening and flew over to California to attend Lili's when there was only 20-30 invited.

That would lead me to believe they are close.

MarcelProust · 23/06/2023 13:15

Roussette · 23/06/2023 12:57

Can I answer this?

At the unveiling of the Diana statue it was noticeable he spent a very long time talking to both sisters and Charles Spencer (not evidence I know, but I doubt you'd be in deep conversation with people you don't get on with)

Both the sisters attended Archie's christening and flew over to California to attend Lili's when there was only 20-30 invited.

That would lead me to believe they are close.

Agreed !

SoTedious · 23/06/2023 14:23

*Both the sisters attended Archie's christening and flew over to California to attend Lili's when there was only 20-30 invited.

That would lead me to believe they are close.*

Those are his aunts though, not his cousins?

Roussette · 23/06/2023 14:25

SoTedious · 23/06/2023 14:23

*Both the sisters attended Archie's christening and flew over to California to attend Lili's when there was only 20-30 invited.

That would lead me to believe they are close.*

Those are his aunts though, not his cousins?

Ahhh I thought that's what someone meant

Gracewithoutend · 23/06/2023 14:31

Roussette · 23/06/2023 12:57

Can I answer this?

At the unveiling of the Diana statue it was noticeable he spent a very long time talking to both sisters and Charles Spencer (not evidence I know, but I doubt you'd be in deep conversation with people you don't get on with)

Both the sisters attended Archie's christening and flew over to California to attend Lili's when there was only 20-30 invited.

That would lead me to believe they are close.

At the unveiling of the Diana statue it was noticeable he spent a very long time talking to both sisters and Charles Spencer (not evidence I know, but I doubt you'd be in deep conversation with people you don't get on with)

I remember one of the aunts moving between William and Harry and turning her back on Harry, leaving him out on his own. It was definitely intentional but her ultimate intent could have been to separate them and move them back towards the others, maybe. But you couldn't mistake how she cut Harry out.

Gracewithoutend · 23/06/2023 14:38

Still can't believe how Charles and Camila let Morgan and Dacre so close to themselves.

Diana, after her divorce, used to invite newspaper editors for lunch.

Roussette · 23/06/2023 14:40

Gracewithoutend · 23/06/2023 14:31

At the unveiling of the Diana statue it was noticeable he spent a very long time talking to both sisters and Charles Spencer (not evidence I know, but I doubt you'd be in deep conversation with people you don't get on with)

I remember one of the aunts moving between William and Harry and turning her back on Harry, leaving him out on his own. It was definitely intentional but her ultimate intent could have been to separate them and move them back towards the others, maybe. But you couldn't mistake how she cut Harry out.

Really? I didn't see that at all. All I saw was deep conversation between the Spencers and Harry

Milcar · 23/06/2023 14:45

That sums it up, doesn't it? We can all find 'evidence' for our beliefs. When it comes to it, none of us know how they all feel about each other, how they parent their children etc

Roussette · 23/06/2023 14:50

Milcar · 23/06/2023 14:45

That sums it up, doesn't it? We can all find 'evidence' for our beliefs. When it comes to it, none of us know how they all feel about each other, how they parent their children etc

I agree. Which is why calling H&M and children as a 'very dysfunctional' family, to me, is particularly horrible.

Ninaplant · 23/06/2023 15:23

Gracewithoutend · 23/06/2023 14:31

At the unveiling of the Diana statue it was noticeable he spent a very long time talking to both sisters and Charles Spencer (not evidence I know, but I doubt you'd be in deep conversation with people you don't get on with)

I remember one of the aunts moving between William and Harry and turning her back on Harry, leaving him out on his own. It was definitely intentional but her ultimate intent could have been to separate them and move them back towards the others, maybe. But you couldn't mistake how she cut Harry out.

It’s a shame we can’t post video footage here. There’s a really lovely video circulating of Harry’s uncle and aunts meeting him at the unveiling of the statue. They were very affectionate towards one another, kissing cheeks and standing together talking and laughing for quite some time. They clearly love one another. The footage was taken by international media so maybe that’s why you missed you? There’s no way either of the aunts would ‘cut’ him out. They don’t seem petty at all.

And as Harry acknowledged in his memoir,

‘Stand out thanks to my mother’s siblings for their love, support, time and perspective.’

SoTedious · 23/06/2023 15:24

Which is why calling H&M and children as a 'very dysfunctional' family, to me, is particularly horrible.

As is criticising a 9 year old boy for dressing appropriately in a VIP box, as someone did earlier. Having a go at any of the parents is one thing but I really think the children should be left out of the criticism.

Roussette · 23/06/2023 15:35

SoTedious · 23/06/2023 15:24

Which is why calling H&M and children as a 'very dysfunctional' family, to me, is particularly horrible.

As is criticising a 9 year old boy for dressing appropriately in a VIP box, as someone did earlier. Having a go at any of the parents is one thing but I really think the children should be left out of the criticism.

No good directing that at me, I didn't say that

I think labelling a loving mum, dad and two little children as 'a very dysfunctional family" is bad

It seems to be ok to talk of H&M family like this, but woe betide anything said of W&K family

I would've much rather you had agreed that it wasn't a nice thing to say

tigger2022 · 23/06/2023 15:43

Are the sisters close to Charles Spencer? I think he’s fallen out with a lot of people but not sure about them?

milveycrohn · 23/06/2023 15:43

Diana had many friends among the media. One of her last calls (from Paris shortly before she died) was to Richard Kay, a journalist at the Daily Mail. He has mentioned this, and that they spoke for 20 minutes. He was definitely considered a friend, and he has not revealed the contents of their conversation.
It is also important to remember that it was French and Italian Papparazzi (not British) that were following her in Paris.
There is an understanding in the UK, that you get the skiing pic, or the school pic, and then they are left alone. But that agreement is not known amongst foreign correspondents.
I hope Harry DOES have contact with the Spencer side of his family. He has not criticised them as much as William and Charles. W & C may have tried to talk to Harry, etc, but any contact was on the Gayle King show the following day, so they cannot rely on Harry to keep things private.

Milcar · 23/06/2023 15:46

Roussette · 23/06/2023 14:50

I agree. Which is why calling H&M and children as a 'very dysfunctional' family, to me, is particularly horrible.

Yes, and saying they are 'hands on' is also meaningless.

MarcelProust · 23/06/2023 16:01

SoTedious · 23/06/2023 15:24

Which is why calling H&M and children as a 'very dysfunctional' family, to me, is particularly horrible.

As is criticising a 9 year old boy for dressing appropriately in a VIP box, as someone did earlier. Having a go at any of the parents is one thing but I really think the children should be left out of the criticism.

It was not a criticism on the boy obviously. No 8yr old dresses himself in a suit. That was clearly chosen for him by adults. I doubt anyone would have begrudged a child in casual clothes to a match, no matter where he was seated.

MarcelProust · 23/06/2023 16:11

milveycrohn · 23/06/2023 15:43

Diana had many friends among the media. One of her last calls (from Paris shortly before she died) was to Richard Kay, a journalist at the Daily Mail. He has mentioned this, and that they spoke for 20 minutes. He was definitely considered a friend, and he has not revealed the contents of their conversation.
It is also important to remember that it was French and Italian Papparazzi (not British) that were following her in Paris.
There is an understanding in the UK, that you get the skiing pic, or the school pic, and then they are left alone. But that agreement is not known amongst foreign correspondents.
I hope Harry DOES have contact with the Spencer side of his family. He has not criticised them as much as William and Charles. W & C may have tried to talk to Harry, etc, but any contact was on the Gayle King show the following day, so they cannot rely on Harry to keep things private.

A quick reminder that Gayle King went to ask Harry about a piece released by Roya Nikkah which he denied. So he is not the leak of that conversation.

The French and Italian paparazzi were selling the pictures to the UK editors.

The same story we hear about 'American paps' - when it was the DF who put the pics up after NY and promptly deleted them. In fact one those paps had a British accent and has been heckling Meghan more than once.

Richard Kay may have changed his tune now. He is one of those who are constantly harassing Harry's wife. I doubt Diana would have kept him on side with how he is conducting himself nowadays.

SoTedious · 23/06/2023 16:24

No good directing that at me, I didn't say that

I didn't say you did.

I would've much rather you had agreed that it wasn't a nice thing to say.

Well ok, you can much rather to your heart's content, but I can say what I like - and while I didn't actually disagree, my perspective is that criticising the children is so much worse than criticising the adults that it should be addressed.

Gracewithoutend · 23/06/2023 16:33

Diana had many friends among the media. One of her last calls (from Paris shortly before she died) was to Richard Kay, a journalist at the Daily Mail.

She also smuggled him into the Palace in the boot of her car. She used to leak stories to him. I think he worked for the Express in those days.

Ninaplant · 23/06/2023 16:38

MarcelProust · 23/06/2023 12:19

Still can't believe how Charles and Camila let Morgan and Dacre so close to themselves.

Well, maybe I do.

I can’t believe William has chosen to do the same. Making deals with the very same people who hounded his mother (arguably to her death) and made their lives a misery.

How can he work with the same people who spied on and illegally gathered information on him, his wife, brother and mother?
I believe he has made a terrible mistake affiliating himself with the press; granting them exclusives, feeding information via friends and palace sources and giving them access to his children. He will come to regret this decision if he hasn’t already.
I do have some sympathy for him. The public are fickle and the tabloids have the power to make or break a person (see Meghan & Harry). So I understand his dilemma.

The boys were supposed to be left alone whilst at school but that didn’t stop the papers going after Harry just one year after his mother’s death. I believe it was Piers Morgan who first wrote about Harry in the tabloids. Thirteen year old, grieving Harry tells you in Spare how that made him feel and the effect it had on him. Planned photos with the press didn’t protect either of the boys.
Harry just like his mother, sells tabloids. It’s as simple as that. He’s a valuable commodity. The public soon forgot their anger after Princess Diana’s death and were now more than happy to buy and read stories that were exploiting her young son, for sales.

I say good luck Harry! Use your title and make your millions! People have been grifting off of your name for decades. You don’t owe us anything. We don’t own you.

Gracewithoutend · 23/06/2023 16:39

A quick reminder that Gayle King went to ask Harry about a piece released by Roya Nikkah which he denied. So he is not the leak of that conversation.

After the Oprah interview, Gayle King said she'd spoken to the couple and she reported what they'd told her about the family relations. So they do leak stuff.

Ninaplant · 23/06/2023 16:44

Gracewithoutend · 23/06/2023 16:33

Diana had many friends among the media. One of her last calls (from Paris shortly before she died) was to Richard Kay, a journalist at the Daily Mail.

She also smuggled him into the Palace in the boot of her car. She used to leak stories to him. I think he worked for the Express in those days.

Diana chose to play the game to get the tabloids off her back. Have a look back at the headlines that were written about her back then. I don’t blame her. The exact same playbook is being used today. Nothing changes for this perpetual pantomime. Even the characters remain the same.

Harry refused to play the game.

His family and the press really should have left his wife alone.

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