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Gracewithoutend · 22/06/2023 15:21

No - they will give a $100 000 every year to a different recipient each year.

So not a stipend as we understand it in the UK, then. It must have a different meaning in the US.

Thinking on it, maybe they use stipend so it limits the use of the money. So it can only be used on costs and expenses, rather than a wage.

HopeMumsnet · 22/06/2023 15:23

Hi all,
We're noticing a bit of an upswing in goading and consequent deletions on this thread and should flag that if it continues we'll be minded to pull the whole thing because we still cannot quite believe that this is the level of engagement when it comes to anything to do with this couple.
Please do bear this gentlest of baffled warnings in mind when posting in future,
Hope

Ninaplant · 22/06/2023 15:31

Gracewithoutend · 22/06/2023 15:04

Calm down there. I don't think it's a deliberate plant of fake news by anyone. It's how things appear on Google. It takes facts from different parts of the article and summarises it so it reads like the $100,000 comes with the Presidents Award. Then other articles from like Geo.news, hardly critics of Harry and Meghan!, write a full article about it, but put in the word reportedly to cover themselves. That article is then sold to multiple news sites that repeat it.

It's how news works these days. It's cheaper than paying journalists from each publication.

These reports came from US magazines or news sites that in early 2022 were still, on the whole, quite pro Harry and Meghan. They weren't trying to do them down.

Yep. That’s exactly what I said just with fewer words 😊

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/06/2023 15:41

Hilarious link from the Guardian, Ninaplant
So Charles thought he'd shore up what's left of his popularity by "refusing some of his funding", and now it comes to it they're all scrambling to hide what the situation really is

Try to be surprised ...

Gracewithoutend · 22/06/2023 15:56

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/06/2023 15:41

Hilarious link from the Guardian, Ninaplant
So Charles thought he'd shore up what's left of his popularity by "refusing some of his funding", and now it comes to it they're all scrambling to hide what the situation really is

Try to be surprised ...

Oh please, The Guardian couldn't tell a straight story if you gave it a ruler! 🙄

Look at the way it puts in huge numbers that the sovereign grant is 83m as if that's what the king is receiving. It states separately, that there is an uplift for BP refurbishments. No figures, though. Because that would undermine the huge written £83m number. What a load of badly written tripe.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/06/2023 16:00

It's a fair point, Gracewithoutend, biut will be fairer still if the Sovereign Grant "uplift" is in fact removed when the renovations are completed - I think it's supposed to be around 2027?

Of course, if it isn't that's something else it may be difficult to find facts about

Gracewithoutend · 22/06/2023 16:58

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/06/2023 16:00

It's a fair point, Gracewithoutend, biut will be fairer still if the Sovereign Grant "uplift" is in fact removed when the renovations are completed - I think it's supposed to be around 2027?

Of course, if it isn't that's something else it may be difficult to find facts about

It's a fixed amount that's been awarded, that's been split into 10 parts to be paid over 10 years. It hasn't even be increased to cover the rise in costs of goods and services after covid. During the jubilee last year, there were building works that needed to be completed to made it safe for the public, but they're not allowed to get the next year's payment so they completed those works from the palace reserves that it holds for emergencies. They'll replace that money from this year's payment.

Although it's paid within the sovereign grant, that's only from convenience in transferring the money because it is being overseen by the palace. There's very strict instructions on how it must be ring-fence and spent. I think I saw the accounts for the project online. Maybe in summary format. Its a finite project that is budgeted to end in 2027.

Obviously, I can't answer any speculations that it might carry on being paid for...some reason. But there's no reason to think it will because it's clear how the money has been and is being spent.

BadgerB · 22/06/2023 17:10

Roussette · Today 11:32
both of them come across as hands on parents.

But we don't know that do we? They may be, but they might also go in for hire and fire, quick turn-over nannies.
I hope not. Harry has always wanted children.

Milcar · 22/06/2023 18:22

The impression we get of them as parents (as random strangers) is entirely through the lens of the media, which I think every has agreed can't be accepted at face value - whatever the source.

jeffgoldblum · 22/06/2023 18:26

@Milcar , very good point, if the media can't be trusted then we can't believe the good or the bad .

Roussette · 22/06/2023 20:00

BadgerB · 22/06/2023 17:10

Roussette · Today 11:32
both of them come across as hands on parents.

But we don't know that do we? They may be, but they might also go in for hire and fire, quick turn-over nannies.
I hope not. Harry has always wanted children.

Of course!

But till anyone can prove to me that they're not hands on parents or "what a shame Meghan doesn't spend time with her children"

I'll reserve judgement

MarcelProust · 22/06/2023 22:04

Milcar · 22/06/2023 18:22

The impression we get of them as parents (as random strangers) is entirely through the lens of the media, which I think every has agreed can't be accepted at face value - whatever the source.

Not just entirely.
We also saw them with their dc on the documentary. via the nanny too. No one has disputed this, not even the hateful general media.

By the same token, would you then dispute the Wales are hands on parents?

SoTedious · 22/06/2023 22:49

I guess the difference is that the representation of Meghan and Harry's parenting that we have has been (quite rightly) entirely curated by them. Whereas the Wales children do appear at public events where the parents have less control of what people see. So we have seen a little bit of them parenting in the wild iykwim.

Gracewithoutend · 22/06/2023 23:14

It's clear that W, K, H, M all love their children and know their children well. It's clear the Wales children love their parents and I'm sure the Sussex's do to - we just don't see it in public to evidence it. But I'm positive it's true.
It's a wonderful situation that 5 children are being brought up with love.

Wherestheheatwave · 22/06/2023 23:45

I’m sure the Sussex children are very much loved but they’re living in a very dysfunctional family. They only know one grandparent. They don’t have any relationship with either of their grandfathers or their Uncle and Aunt or any of their cousins. Which is extremely sad. Both parents are constantly churning out drama and looking to score points and look for slights. It’s not going to be a good template for them and their own well-being or mental health. Living in a millionaires bubble surrounded by security with nothing even remotely resembling a normal life is not going to prepare them well for the world either.

I think the Wales children are trotted out far too often for public consumption. Their life too is very very odd, but at least in other ways they have a more normal family life. Their parents seem calm and measured with good relationships and an ability to enjoy their good fortune. The children play with cousins and know their grandparents .

skullbabe · 23/06/2023 02:59

Living in a millionaires bubble surrounded by security with nothing even remotely resembling a normal life is not going to prepare them well for the world either.

Exactly - they should be living in the Royal Family which absolutely would give them an entirely normal life surrounded by regular people.

They only know one grandparent. They don’t have any relationship with either of their grandfathers or their Uncle and Aunt or any of their cousins.

This is so true - I think we should ensure that this ethos is spread throughout the site. When we have posters in Relationships or AIBU going low to no contact we should encourage them all to keep all relationships going regardless because the most important thing is to know your grandparents and play with your cousins. No matter what.

Milcar · 23/06/2023 04:19

I don't dispute that Harry and Meghan are hands on parents, I have no way of coming to any conclusions about their parenting. The documentary was filmed and edited to create a particular impression.

I would say the same about the Wales children on the whole, except they are seen more in public (more difficult to edit out any mis-steps) and appear to be close to their parents - but that is a fairly superficial impression.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 23/06/2023 05:52

@skullbabe

😃

It's the Wales kids who are going to have a normal life, don't you know.

Because for the Sussex kids, NOT living in a Royal Household surrounded by security and courtiers calling them and their parents HRH every minute of the day with nothing even remotely resembling a normal life is not going to prepare them well for the world.

BadgerB · 23/06/2023 06:18

A thought experiment -
Imagine you have to decide with which adoptive parents to place a year old baby.
Your only choices are the Wales or the Sussexes. Who would you choose?

(Yes, I know in real life you'd get a lot more information.....)

tigger2022 · 23/06/2023 06:45

BadgerB · 23/06/2023 06:18

A thought experiment -
Imagine you have to decide with which adoptive parents to place a year old baby.
Your only choices are the Wales or the Sussexes. Who would you choose?

(Yes, I know in real life you'd get a lot more information.....)

The Wales situation seems a lot happier! I’d give them to Meghan without Harry though.

SoTedious · 23/06/2023 07:11

I think that living alongside the revelations in Spare and the doc / interviews might be very difficult for H+M's DC as they grow up, and I wouldn't want Harry as a dad, so I would reluctantly choose the Waleses. Meghan never-having-met Harry would be the best option though, I reckon.

BadgerB · 23/06/2023 07:28

tigger2022 · Today 06:45 SoTedious · Today 07:11
I do see what you mean about Harry, but he was the one who was always wishing he had children, seemed envious of the Wales's family.

If it's going to be the Sussexes then maybe Harry back under the control of the RF. I feel Meghan might put herself and her aims above a child's welfare, something of a narcissist?

But I think the Wales might be safer. I take it as a good sign that they have had the same nanny since George was a baby.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 23/06/2023 07:34

What a fucked up conversation to have on a parenting forum.

SoTedious · 23/06/2023 07:36

I don't have anything against the Waleses as a family, they seem happy and have lots of extended family around which is great. It's just the being royal bit that's the problem.

BadgerB · 23/06/2023 07:55

Iwantcakeeveryday · Today 07:34
What a fucked up conversation to have on a parenting forum.

What!? Where better to have it than on a parenting forum where participants might be expected to know something about the needs of children?

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