Harry - what next?

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Continuation thread for all things Harry, Meghan and all things Archewell.

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From the last thread

Wheresthebeach · Today 12:58
I suspect the crux of the problem is that they never wanted fully out. When they were told half in/half out wasn't going to work they threw a petulant fit. They should have gone away for a few months and thought about what would work for them before deciding (although perhaps their media/book deals were too far advanced for them to back out). So they are stuck in a situation they didn't actually want and they can't accept that it's of their own making.

i th8n’ that’s a really summation of the current situation

Another issue from previous thread:

the charitable Archewell Foundation has a similar namesake: Archewell Audio, which was responsible for the now-cancelled Spotify show, Archetypes.

the website describes Archewell Foundation as “an impact driven global, non-profit”. Archewell Audio and Archewell Productions are not stated to be non-profit, so it is not apparent if the latter two are charitable enterprises or not.

I'd also agree that I don't think they wanted out at all. I think they wanted to live between London and the US, acting like RF in the UK with all the financial benefits that entails, and then merching the crap out of it in the US. Floating royalty. But HM said no and that resulted in this never ending tantrum from Harry. Without the RF connection, they're nada.

I think your right @Bluebells1970 , I think they wanted to set up their own royal court away from the others, so they weren't second fiddle.

I think that’s exactly it. They didn’t like being told what they could and couldn’t do and M may have struggled with the idea of being lower in the hierarchy. They flounced off without thinking it through.

Can I ask a question, a genuine one?

What do people think they should do to support themselves financially? What kind of work should they do from here in on, that will provide an income?

I think Harry felt he was so much more popular than William, plus he had a modern wife, that they would sort of take over the lead role while W&K did all the dull work shaking hands and cutting ribbons.

They have enough live well but the problem is as many have said, they want to be ‘King of the hill’. M is furiously ambitious & H will do whatever she wants, the Queen quite boldly (!) stated ‘he loves her too much’.

Agreed - neither of them wanted or had planned for what happened.

They had their exit all planned out - half-in, half-out, Harry gets HM to agree, Sussex Royal all set up and ready to go, probably a bunch of deals that were on the table with them as kind-of roving royals, their titles and the blessing of HM giving legitimacy to whatever they wanted to do.

Then HM said 'No' and the pandemic hit so their entire plan was blown to shit. And that's probably why they've ended up with this mess of a scatter-shot response - interviews, series and a book all on the same subject (Our Royal Hell), but now people are fed up with hearing about it so they've got to come up with something else. So that's presumably what the contract with the shiny, new, A-list friendly PR firm is for - yet another fresh start.

The out version could have worked. There are commercial opportunities that don't require you to slag off your family. But as has been pointed out, they didn't want out out.

I think it was @Peverellshire who asked about a link to The Duchess of Suss on the last thread.

This is the one I was talking about.
https://www.tiktok.com/@meghantheduchessofsus?_t=8dDQ2wvNuH5&_r=1

I have no opinion of M&H as I don’t know them but women and women’s rights seem to be a big issue for Meghan so I have absolutely no problem with her doing a proper documentary focusing on women from all backgrounds and spending a day or two with them to see their challenges, whether that’s women on the breadline, single, widowed , married or those made to go into prostitution , crime or drugs! Or whatever! Spending time with women from every corner of our society and showing empathy to them and walking a mile in their shows and showing the world their struggles and linking women’s charities to their own company.

It would do a lot to show it isn’t the Meghan show with her the centre stage and her famous mates! If she showed humanity in real times instead of what she wants us to see from her ivory tower would make the public ( especially women) take to her a bit more!

Yes I have no doubt she has issues with in laws and her own family but women the world over have more serious issues and to showcase them and to be a real female ambassador would do her image the world of good

That was a reply to @MadamWhiteleigh

The out version could have worked. There are commercial opportunities that don't require you to slag off your family

Quite - though whether either have enough relevant talent to pay for the lifestyle they apparently want is another question

But as has been pointed out, they didn't want out out

Which brings us straight back to the question of WHY they wouldn't want to escape completely from an institution which allegedly nearly drove Meghan to suicide
Funny how this has been mentioned so often but never addressed ...

I also think Harry had a very shallow, incomplete and naïve understanding of what the Royal Family does and the role it plays in the UK and the role of The Crown.
Almost like no one had ever explained it properly to him.
He thought being future son of the King was enough for him to get IPP status forever and with worldwide Security guaranteed, there was nothing stopping them leaving the UK.
He also thought that the income he got from the Civil grant was why the press were allowed to report on him. So if he could ditch that, then the public interest in him goes away.
Very naïve and that is probably how he explained it to Meghan and his LA advisers and friends.
He thought they could pop back for Trooping the Colour each year and then negotiate returning to other fun events (on their terms) and "collaborating" with the Queen on Royal Tours now and again with Security for H&M and children as his right - and then make money in LA for their lifestyle in any way they wished.

I can't blame Meghan then thinking what are we waiting for?! let's get out of here! - as I'd think that too!

So essentially a documentary maker? Is that what the Netflix deal is maybe?

Harry could build on the success of Invictus, working more with people with disabilities, helping them to access sports, mental health support. Look at what Eunice Kennedy achieved with the Special Olympics - which all started out in her garden one summer! And the Kennedys were some of the most prominent targets in the world.

Meghan could continue to advocate for women.
She did a couple of “ambassadorial” trips - I think one was about eyesight? She could do more work like that, and then launch her own name specs at a reasonable price. Tie the two together.

she could go back to acting. She’d get the roles she could have only have dreamt of in the past.

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they could launch a parenting podcast. Do spin-off products from that.

they have millions. they do not need to work ever. They have more than enough to support themselves in the lap of luxury for several lifetimes.

Hello and welcome, @MrsFinkelstein

Do we know they have enough though? In the book, he says their security is $6M a year. They’d need an awful lot of income just to cover that.

Even if they did have it from inheritance and investments or whatever, the other question is something to do. They’re both relatively young, and presumably want to be doing something with their days.

That’s what we all thought, but it appears to be the Harry & Meghan show! 🤦‍♀️ that documentary they did was awful, I really hope she looks at other documentary makers and finally makes something worthwhile!!!

I just hope the invictus documentary focuses on the actual games and participants and not Harry!

Another one who agrees with @Bluebells1970

massive pique that they were thwarted.

the Queen might have been an elderly woman, not in the best of health, but she was very, very smart. And very well-briefed. I think they massively underestimated that.

and this made me think - we’ve all heard the stories about how Harry was her favourite. And that is something I could never imagine the Queen saying. Ever. At all. As a young woman, her father said “Elizabeth is my pride, but Margaret is my joy”. And that must have hurt. Why would she favour Harry above all her other GC? Just look back to the time when Peter Philips was born - her first GC and she clearly adored him. Why would she raise Harry above everyone else?

they have millions. they do not need to work ever. They have more than enough to support themselves in the lap of luxury for several lifetimes

I’m not convinced of this. Not saying you’re wrong, just I don’t know if it’s a given.

I suppose the first warning shot from HMQEII was “tiara-gate” and her response when Harry said “what Meghan wants, Meghan gets”

and the fact that Beatrice and Eugenia got much fancier tiaras. With Beatrice wearing the tiara her granny had worn on her wedding day.