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The royal family

Harry - what next?

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TrashyPanda · 16/06/2023 12:51

Continuation thread for all things Harry, Meghan and all things Archewell.

welcome back everyone!

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SoyMarina · 16/06/2023 18:24

In the Netflix documentary you’d think/they’d like you to think they were the first couple ever to fall in love.
Totally self obsessed clowns 🤣

QueenOfHertz · 16/06/2023 18:24

Do they still have the Netflix deal? I can see this becoming a Woe With the Windsors weekly special.

QueenOfHertz · 16/06/2023 18:24

Bravo TV will surely snap them up.

Maireas · 16/06/2023 18:25

I think they underestimated the Queen, Charles and William. They thought they were far too dynamic and clever for the stuffy old Windsors.

Wheresthebeach · 16/06/2023 18:25

Yes Netflix still live. Be interesting to see how that pans out

Wheresthebeach · 16/06/2023 18:26

Maireas · 16/06/2023 18:25

I think they underestimated the Queen, Charles and William. They thought they were far too dynamic and clever for the stuffy old Windsors.

Yes I think you’re right

jeffgoldblum · 16/06/2023 18:27

How long though? , I mean they do realise you have to do the job if you've been paid?

Maireas · 16/06/2023 18:29

SoyMarina · 16/06/2023 18:24

In the Netflix documentary you’d think/they’d like you to think they were the first couple ever to fall in love.
Totally self obsessed clowns 🤣

Aren't they just! All that "love story" nonsense.

TrashyPanda · 16/06/2023 18:38

MrsFinkelstein · 16/06/2023 18:01

Umm, hi??

I'm not sure what that post had to do with me though?

So sorry!

meant for another poster who seemed a wee bit unsure

chalk it down to a senior moment

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BoohooWoohoo · 16/06/2023 18:39

With regards to the favourite grandchild, I've also read that Beatrice held that position. While I am sure that there are things about Harry that she loved, she didn't seem to favour any of the grandchildren.

TrashyPanda · 16/06/2023 18:40

The only thing I know about Goop is the vagina scented candles

which I can live without

quite happily

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Maireas · 16/06/2023 18:42

BoohooWoohoo · 16/06/2023 18:39

With regards to the favourite grandchild, I've also read that Beatrice held that position. While I am sure that there are things about Harry that she loved, she didn't seem to favour any of the grandchildren.

You're right, she didn't. I doubt that Elizabeth had favourites. She would certainly never have told anyone! It's all speculation.

BoohooWoohoo · 16/06/2023 18:43

MrsLeonFarrell · 16/06/2023 17:43

I think their root problem seems to be rushing (plus of course the fact that they left just at the start of a pandemic which affected momentum and planning.) Even before the marriage they don't seem to have sat down and really thought about their place in the family and what they could focus on, hitting the ground running is very vague. They had plenty of time ahead of them but it always feels to me like they don't think that way.

I watched a documentary about a Princess Anne at 70 and she was speaking about her work with Save the Children. She started at 21 and said she spent the first five years learning about the work of the charity before she even made a speech. She also said that she couldn't change anything but she could draw attention to the people who were changing things.

I think that if Harry and Meghan had taken time to talk with some advisors they trusted about their plans and difficulties they may have left in a way that launched them more successfully. I would have loved to see them spend some years thinking and learning about their different areas of interests and the variety of charities involved in each area. They could have done a kind of internship at each one they were attracted to, seeing things from grassroots and up and then thought about how they could bring their public profile to best to amplify the work the charity was doing.

They could have done great work either in or out of the Royal family if they had focused. I don't think it is too late for them, they just need to stop speaking about the royals publicly, and turn their focus to be more outward and positive. Harry already has Invictus which is a great arena for him to campaign and bring awareness.

Maybe too a little downsizing would help, even with the money they have their life style seems in excess of their income.

I hope they do take a step back to move beyond the past, find some peace and focus how they want to go from here. I think that Meghan is possibly further along that path than Harry

I can definitely imagine them finding the Palace pace too slow. They were encouraged to take a year off to be newlyweds but declined plus Meghan allegedly declined Sophie as a mentor as she had Harry. Considering that Sophie had a career pre-marriage and made some very public gaffes she may have had some very good advice.

TrashyPanda · 16/06/2023 18:43

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 16/06/2023 18:18

the Queen might have been an elderly woman, not in the best of health, but she was very, very smart. And very well-briefed. I think they massively underestimated that

IMO the mistake they made was thinking that HM would make the decision as DGM of a loved DGS, not as monarch and head of the institution.

She might have loved him but she was clearly pissed off with him

and who can blame her?

did anyone (except H&M) think it was a good idea?

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TrashyPanda · 16/06/2023 18:49

Elior · 16/06/2023 18:05

Yes! The one who resembled his mother the most out of the two even though he never looked anything like her

sureky not?!?

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TrashyPanda · 16/06/2023 18:50

@SoyMarina - and that’s fine when you are a teenager in your first love

not for 2 adults in their 30s, one who is divorced!

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jeffgoldblum · 16/06/2023 18:52

Yes @TrashyPanda , I can't get over the spite in the way he said about Williams balding!
' the famous resemblance to our mother fading'

grass321 · 16/06/2023 18:57

I watched a documentary about a Princess Anne at 70 and she was speaking about her work with Save the Children. She started at 21 and said she spent the first five years learning about the work of the charity before she even made a speech.

Slightly randomly I interviewed Princess Anne about her work for Save the Children for the BBC when I was 10. She was very nice.

The BBC vetted all the questions but let me ask her why they didn't move all the poor people to the rich areas (in those words). Strangely enough she didn't think that was a great solution (yes, I still cringe).

She's how a royal should be. Gets on with the daily grind without moaning, it's not about her ego and she doesn't spend thousands on expensive outfits. I suspect not a role model Meghan was ever likely to emulate though.

Gracewithoutend · 16/06/2023 19:06

I've met Princess Anne, too. Lovely skin.

We had to line up to meet her and I'm afraid I foisted myself on her. 😏 We were only teenagers and she asked my friends on either side of me a question. I didn't consider they were quick enough in their responses, so I answered for them. Hey, I was doing them a favour! 🤷‍♀️. Her mouth didn't tell me to shut up, but I think her eyes did. Hehe. No way. I got to speak to her twice. 😄

maranella · 16/06/2023 19:11

I really do not think he is living the life he would have wanted.

I suspect, if Harry was being honest, he'd admit that he feels like a fish out of water in Montecito. I've been there and it's a rich enclave of huge homes hidden behind high hedges and big gates. I very much doubt there's any sense of community or if you even see your neighbours. There's a small high street with a handful of expensive restaurants, posh delis and shops. The Santa Barbara area is really pretty, but it's not like he can just head out on his own and go for a run, grab a coffee with a friend, or go for a walk with his dog along the beach.

I'll take a wild guess that he's pretty socially isolated and doesn't meet many people with whom he feels he has anything at all in common. It's a world away from the kind of places and people he grew up with and initially, I'm sure that was very attractive to him, but deep down I bet he's homesick. I know lots of Brits who've made their home on the east coast of the USA and far fewer who've stuck it out long-term on the west coast.

Dinopawus · 16/06/2023 19:17

It's been quite the week for Eton educated boys with bad hair and variable recollections. Not to mention thinking that hard work is for other people.

Narcissists who think they don't need to heed advice. People who treat their friends with contempt.

A period of working with charities and learning humility is an option. I'm not confident it will be taken up.

midsomermurderess · 16/06/2023 19:18

Sounds like a Channel 5 documentary.

WinnieTheW0rm · 16/06/2023 19:35

I think working with one or more charities over a period of time so they (individually or jointly) really get credibility in those fields is going to be key to what their future is like.

They were fiendishly unlucky with the timing of the start of the pandemic, and I think they are still struggling to regain momentum. I don't think there really is a sense of focus or clarity.

Sentabale barely gets mentioned. What are they doing for Invictus at present? What's happened to the African charities Meghan was working with before she met Harry? If they want to be influential philanthropists (when they're not mega-rich) means they need credibility. And that tends to mean depth rather than breadth. But I think it may have been the pandemic that interfered with original plans and ideas and meant they became a bit scatter-gun. However with each year the passes since 2020, that reason becomes flimsier

nobodysdaughternow · 16/06/2023 19:36

I worked in PR for 20 years - people with big egos struggle to take advice.

Harry & Megan are angry at their dissenting audience because they believe they can tell people what to think.

I'm sure they were advised to concentrate on their genuine passions and strengths to build their brand.

Instead they have created a soulless platform without a thought for their audience.

Another PR rule is universality. Talk about any issue but approach it from the angle which most people can relate to. So for example, loosing a parent for Harry and being a successful woman of colour for Megan.

If you want people to like you and you're very rich, you can't complain (unless it's to your therapist.)

Really basic rules which they have chosen to ignore because they are cleverer than everyone.

cassiatwenty · 16/06/2023 19:52

I bet he's going to regret all of this when he divorces 🏃‍♂️🙏

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