Page 11 | Will you be swearing allegiance?

PolkaDotMankini · 2023-04-29T22:27:18+00:00

BBC link: [[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65435426 Public asked to swear allegiance to King Charles ]] Apparently during the coronation service, we'll all being asked to swear "true allegiance" to Charles and his heirs. That's a no from me.

crumpet · 01/05/2023 15:15

*won’t have a clue

LaurelGrove · 01/05/2023 16:23

Stupid idea. Makes zero difference if you're a monarchist and for those of us that aren't it just pisses us off. He's meant to serve us; that is the deal and why we grudgingly put up with this nonsense. They can all fuck off.

Monty Python had it right:

“King Arthur: I am your king.
Peasant Woman: Well, I didn't vote for you.
King Arthur: You don't vote for kings.
Peasant Woman: Well, how'd you become king, then?
[Angelic music plays... ]
King Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. That is why I am your king.
Dennis the Peasant: Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Arthur: Be quiet!
Dennis the Peasant: You can't expect to wield supreme power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!”

mathanxiety · 01/05/2023 23:48

BitOutOfPractice · 30/04/2023 10:07

I’m not saying the king has never been swapped (@mathanxiety id have thought the abdication would’ve been a more relevant and recent historical reference). But a king has never been deposed because the ordinary people didn’t like his morals. Or preferred his mother. There are plenty of example of crap, weak, unpopular monarchs reigning on till death though. And despite all of them, we still have the institution of the monarchy. Which was my point. It’s not the person I object to particularly. I am completely ambivalent about Charles. It’s the institution that I want rid of. And I will not be pledging allegiance to anyone, or bending my knee and doffing my cap to an anachronism.

The history of the century from 1600 to 1700 tells us that kings have in fact been done away with because certain people didn't like their morals or the sort of prayers they said before bed. The current king's namesake lost his head.

I agree with you wrt the institution of the monarchy though.

But I'm Irish and none of it concerns me in a personal way.

JeanMalaga75 · 02/05/2023 00:27

Nope never!

BitOutOfPractice · 02/05/2023 00:48

Yes @mathanxiety ”certain people”. Never plebs like you or I. And not just C17th. Every single one. And not just the English / British monarchy either.

AnnieSnap · 02/05/2023 01:34

The whole system (circus) is Medieval offensive, ridiculously expensive nonsense. It maintains a destructive class system and it offends me to my core - so no! Anyone who does is IMO a bloody idiot!

Sudeko · 02/05/2023 06:50

We can only judge this King and Queen by their greatest known achievements and pledge allegiance to the unique qualities which qualified them to occupy such a prestigious position. Within that context, the Coronation Day should be a go-out-and-shag-somebody-else's-husband-day (and maybe read a book and plant a shrub).

user1492757084 · 02/05/2023 07:55

Correction, we will be invited to participate in joining in with William in reciting the oath of allegiance.
So it is not a suggestion nor a command and we are not being asked or expected.

We, the people, are invited to participate.
It is like being invited to support a couple when they baptise their child. You don't have to say anything unless you are moved to do so.

Invite means it is our choice and honour should we do so.
I am happy to see inclusivity. Everyone can speak. And the prayers and best wishes of many is a powerful positive force for King Charles.

I will be standing and committing to King Charles, our constitutional monarchy and system of government and our democratic and protected freedoms that we enjoy under this system. I will be wishing King Charles strength to uphold his oath to serve the people.

Sudeko · 02/05/2023 09:38

;Scuse me while I throw up.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 02/05/2023 10:06

No

I don't agree with having a monarchy anyway, so I'm biased, but I can't see any of my monarchist friends doing this either.

Also, part of the "oath" is asking God that the king will live forever. That's just bonkers, no one lives forever.

Inkanta · 02/05/2023 10:23

user1492757084 · 02/05/2023 07:55

Correction, we will be invited to participate in joining in with William in reciting the oath of allegiance.
So it is not a suggestion nor a command and we are not being asked or expected.

We, the people, are invited to participate.
It is like being invited to support a couple when they baptise their child. You don't have to say anything unless you are moved to do so.

Invite means it is our choice and honour should we do so.
I am happy to see inclusivity. Everyone can speak. And the prayers and best wishes of many is a powerful positive force for King Charles.

I will be standing and committing to King Charles, our constitutional monarchy and system of government and our democratic and protected freedoms that we enjoy under this system. I will be wishing King Charles strength to uphold his oath to serve the people.

I notice you speak very formally and you say you will be 'standing and committing to King Charles'. Have not heard anyone speak this way so far.

Sudeko · 02/05/2023 10:24

He may produce and serve you a goblet of his special lemonade if you are deemed pious enough.

Roussette · 02/05/2023 11:47

I will be falling about laughing at the utter ridiculousness of it all.
If I watch at all, that is

He's king already, we're basically spaffing £150million plus up the wall, for a party he wants

CordyLines · 02/05/2023 12:44

Do KC and QC ( sounds like senior barristers), not feel absolutely mortified and embarrassed by this anachronistic festival of over the top bullshit? How could they not cringe at the dressing up and jewels and oil, and gold carriages, and grey dappled horses and all the rest of it.

And if not, why not!

No allegiance here to a flawed mortal.

AnnieSnap · 02/05/2023 12:58

user1492757084 · 02/05/2023 07:55

Correction, we will be invited to participate in joining in with William in reciting the oath of allegiance.
So it is not a suggestion nor a command and we are not being asked or expected.

We, the people, are invited to participate.
It is like being invited to support a couple when they baptise their child. You don't have to say anything unless you are moved to do so.

Invite means it is our choice and honour should we do so.
I am happy to see inclusivity. Everyone can speak. And the prayers and best wishes of many is a powerful positive force for King Charles.

I will be standing and committing to King Charles, our constitutional monarchy and system of government and our democratic and protected freedoms that we enjoy under this system. I will be wishing King Charles strength to uphold his oath to serve the people.

WTAF? How does the Monarch serve the people? What do they do that would meet the criteria. I’m with the other poster, off to throw up 🤮

EmmaGrundyForPM · 02/05/2023 14:00

CordyLines · 02/05/2023 12:44

Do KC and QC ( sounds like senior barristers), not feel absolutely mortified and embarrassed by this anachronistic festival of over the top bullshit? How could they not cringe at the dressing up and jewels and oil, and gold carriages, and grey dappled horses and all the rest of it.

And if not, why not!

No allegiance here to a flawed mortal.

Obviously not Camilla, but Charles has grown up and lived all his life with this pageantry and fawning. He expects it.

vera99 · 02/05/2023 14:09

Time to say goodbye to the monarchy

Frankie Boyles Farewell to the Monarchy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHdrtxw-pGQ

Flappingtarps · 02/05/2023 18:49

CordyLines · 02/05/2023 12:44

Do KC and QC ( sounds like senior barristers), not feel absolutely mortified and embarrassed by this anachronistic festival of over the top bullshit? How could they not cringe at the dressing up and jewels and oil, and gold carriages, and grey dappled horses and all the rest of it.

And if not, why not!

No allegiance here to a flawed mortal.

My thoughts precisely!

LaurelGrove · 02/05/2023 19:08

Surprised Camilla isn't a touch embarrassed but suspect she does what is needed to keep Charles happy. And he absolutely won't be finding this a big fuss - he has spent his whole life being told this is his birthright and by all accounts he is not interested in reform or being "in touch" with his (ugh) subjects. This is what he's waited 70 odd years for - if he wanted less of a fuss he's had plenty of time to make the case for it. But here we are.

DonnaDonna0 · 02/05/2023 19:48

If the general feeling on this thread is anything to go by and is a reflection of the general public, I’d be extremely embarrassed if I was Charles now. Although I doubt it will
even register because he is so far removed from the reality of what the British people want or just doesn’t care which is even worse.

BeatricePortinari · 02/05/2023 19:50

DonnaDonna0 · 02/05/2023 19:48

If the general feeling on this thread is anything to go by and is a reflection of the general public, I’d be extremely embarrassed if I was Charles now. Although I doubt it will
even register because he is so far removed from the reality of what the British people want or just doesn’t care which is even worse.

If Mumsnet threads were indications of public mood we'd have a labour government with a huge majority and still be in the EU.

DonnaDonna0 · 02/05/2023 19:53

@BeatricePortinari so do you believe the bulk of the country are behind him and Camilla?

mathanxiety · 02/05/2023 20:37

BitOutOfPractice · 02/05/2023 00:48

Yes @mathanxiety ”certain people”. Never plebs like you or I. And not just C17th. Every single one. And not just the English / British monarchy either.

The religious views of the average soldier of the 22,000 strong New Model Army (plebs for the most part) stood in contrast with those of James I and Charles I. Opposition to the Stuarts had rumbled on from the start of their reign, which saw a huge amount of religiously-inspired turmoil draw in a huge number of ordinary people, including those Puritans who departed to the New World.

TheFretfulPorpentine · 02/05/2023 20:43

I'm not an Anglican
I won't be attending or watching the Coronation
It's really not my problem...

but am I the only person who thinks the Archbishop of Canterbury is a complete numpty?

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 02/05/2023 20:57

user1492757084 · 02/05/2023 07:55

Correction, we will be invited to participate in joining in with William in reciting the oath of allegiance.
So it is not a suggestion nor a command and we are not being asked or expected.

We, the people, are invited to participate.
It is like being invited to support a couple when they baptise their child. You don't have to say anything unless you are moved to do so.

Invite means it is our choice and honour should we do so.
I am happy to see inclusivity. Everyone can speak. And the prayers and best wishes of many is a powerful positive force for King Charles.

I will be standing and committing to King Charles, our constitutional monarchy and system of government and our democratic and protected freedoms that we enjoy under this system. I will be wishing King Charles strength to uphold his oath to serve the people.

Ffs.🤮🤮🤮

This is making me squirm with revulsion. Who actually thinks like that?