Will you be swearing allegiance?

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BBC link: Public asked to swear allegiance to King Charles

Apparently during the coronation service, we'll all being asked to swear "true allegiance" to Charles and his heirs.

That's a no from me.

I’m anti-monarchy so no. It’s nothing to do with Charles Windsor himself, who seems like a nice enough chap, nor his remarriage which is not unusual these days so not problematic for me. It’s the concept of monarchy I dislike.

Absolutely fucking not and I think anyone who does is an idiot.

I don’t mind the monarchy as such but I won’t be swearing allegiance to him & his heirs but will swear to the U.K. if that makes sense.

I don’t want another referendum, brexit has caused too many divisions.

Imo if we left it to the people to decide on our Head of State then i think the newspapers would have too much influence and we wouldn’t necessarily get a better HoS.

Er, no actually, we are not "spending a lot of our life" commenting on it. We are posting on a Mumsnet thread which takes approximately 3 minutes. And expressing our opinion which we are entitled to do!

Believe me, as a Republican, I would far prefer it if there was a way of avoiding the whole event, but as usual it's mentioned on every news bulletin, in every newspaper, and is being discussed on social media.

What value does it have beyond that of setting intentions and affirmations. It was a pointless, arrogant request to make of people to draw them into an underwhelming coronation. I heard Nicholas Soames (Charles' friend) yesterday stating that people will find themselves blown away by the occasion and eager to feel like it was of personal significance to them.

... the PR surrounding this has been handled dreadfully and this does not bode well for the future. That anyone would think this appropriate in the 21st century I mean? Deluded and utterly tone deaf!

Agree with the rest, but am not sure it's the fault of the PR this time; if an idea really stinks there's only so much can be done to dress it up, and as the outcry shows this one stinks more than most

There's no obligation to swear allegiance so I am indifferent on the issue.

It is going to rain on Saturday 😎👌

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I feel how I feel. I've also responded to the original post with my opinion and that's what it is. My opinion and I'm getting abuse for it. So I will say again as I have further down the page. Stop bullying me. Leave me alone just because my opinion differs from your own!!

Most are probably not bothered about it and it has passed them by, it's just an excuse to eat a lot, buy some cheap tat and a day off work, same as Christmas and Easter really. It's only on forums like here and twitter that people care

I think what you say was correct - until yesterday morning

The pledge has really gone down badly

They have over played their hand .
It looks like desperation to me

Oh I thought it went without saying that the original idea really stinks too, in the context of the 21st century anyway 😀

I meant the way that this story was presented to us was poorly handled. Didn’t it emerge through an interview with the Archbishop of Canterbury?

I didn’t watch the original interview it so I can’t judge properly but I suspect that today’s headlines and radio show debates about the oath of allegiance weren’t those that were intended to arise out of that story?

Nobody is bullying you. Just pointing out things that ought to be considered before blindly pledging allegiance. It is, of course, up to you whether you pay any attention to that. You will do what you think is right.

However, I can see from a lot of places that this pledge of allegiance idea has generally gone down very badly. It is tone deaf and self congratulatory of the King to think it is so great.

One does wonder are Republicans within the ranks leaking stuff. The allegiance would have passed unnoticed but for the furore when it was pointed out. Justin Welby is a great fan of Harry and Meghan and this has set us all off frothing and the like. Hmmm, maybe time for Charles to send his Knights to the Cathedral and do some work.

Absolutely not. Whoever thought up the idea is crazy.

These seem to be swearing their's boldly! https://twitter.com/Juliest101/status/1652732334200827905?s=19

What does that mean?

I think it's meant to be a mutual thing and inclusive. The first words the King will speak at the coronation are:

In his name, and after his example,
I come not to be served
but to serve.

Would be a real shocker if Jesus came back loin cloth and all and saw all this malarkey going on His name.

12 Jesus went into the temple courtyard and threw out everyone who was buying and selling there. He overturned the moneychangers’ tables and the chairs of those who sold pigeons. 13 He told them, “Scripture says, ‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’ but you’re turning it into a gathering place for thieves!”

Some people on this thread seem quite worked up - not sure why. It’s an invitation to swear allegiance, it’s not compulsory. Those that want to will, and those that don’t won’t. No biggie.

A reference to the martyrdom of the Archbishop of Canterbury Thomas A'Becket by the King's knights on the altar at Canterbury Cathedral by one of these coronated Kings.

What Justin Welby said about Meghan.

He has praised Meghan, saying: 'She's a person of profound humanity and deep concern for people, seeking to carry out her role with every ounce of her being – and I think she's a remarkable person.'

In 2021 he expressed sympathy for Harry, telling the Financial Times that being in the Royal Family was 'life without parole' and the public expected them to be 'superhuman'.

The relationship between Welby and the Sussexes has been known in the corridors of Lambeth Palace and Buckingham Palace for some time.

'The closeness of the Archbishop and the Sussexes has been a subject of conversation for a while,' said one well-placed source.

https://www.britishmuseum.org/blog/thomas-becket-murder-shook-middle-ages

Worked up or woken up ?

This 'pledge' was woken people up to what having a heritary monarchy actually means

And the ledge includes Andrew by the way. He's still in the mon Eid succession

Anyone 'pledging' , voluntary or not, is a fool

Still in the line of succession - that should be

Would be a real shocker if Jesus came back loin cloth and all and saw all this malarkey going on His name
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Americans don't just swear allegiance to the flag. They swear allegiance 'to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all'. The entity that they pledge allegiance to is explicitly spelled out.

The current invitation to swear allegiance is not a case of swearing allegiance to some individual projection of what you think the monarch stands for. The invitation here is to swear personal allegiance to the individual person of the monarch and to his specific heirs. The personal element is explicit and always has been, down through history.

Anyone is free to choose whether to pledge or not. It’s an individual choice which some might like to take and others won’t. And the vast majority of people won’t have a clause as to who has and who hasn’t. No-one is counting