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Why is Charles disappointed Archie and Lillibet not coming?

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AskMeMore · 14/04/2023 14:42

Charles has said he is disappointed Archie and Lillibet are not coming to the Coronation. But the children were not invited to anything at the Coronation weekend.
Charles will be busy the whole weekend with Coronation events and meeting officials. So why has he said he is disappointed when he would not even see them/ If he wanted to see them he should have invited them to something.

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mixedrecycling · 15/04/2023 20:22

Sudeko · 15/04/2023 20:16

This coronation is going to turn out to be an expensive mistake. There isn't enough support for it to happen at such a cost. Two old lovers celebrating one another and forcing it down the public's throat.

Many countries have some sort of ceremony to mark the start of a new Head of State.

It's not an idea Charles and Camilla have come up with out of nowhere 😆

BlackFriday · 15/04/2023 20:23

We either have a monarchy or we don't. There is not anywhere near enough support at the moment for a Republic, so Monarchy it is. For now.
Therefore, no half measures (although I support the fact that Charles is cutting back nonetheless). Let's do it properly and show the watching billions around the world, once again, how we do things like this.

Sudeko · 15/04/2023 20:32

I mean, I agree with all of that. I am not anti-monarchy.
If it were William's turn, I would be enthusiastic but these two should have had a short, cheap ceremony and used the rest of the budget for more important public causes. The cost of living squeeze is global so other leaders would have understood.

IcedPurple · 15/04/2023 20:49

Sudeko · 15/04/2023 20:32

I mean, I agree with all of that. I am not anti-monarchy.
If it were William's turn, I would be enthusiastic but these two should have had a short, cheap ceremony and used the rest of the budget for more important public causes. The cost of living squeeze is global so other leaders would have understood.

It doesn't work that way.

BlackFriday · 15/04/2023 21:01

No, it doesn't work that way, you're right.
This is our shop window stuff. There aren't many ways we can "show off" to the world and the last thing we need is for other countries to look at some cheap-skate affair and confirm in their minds that the UK has had it.
It's the same reasoning behind people dressing up for occasions/business meetings. If you want to impress clients, you scrub up neatly and turn up in a decent car. All the main players on the world stage, as well as their spouses of either sex, look immaculate when they meet.

Sudeko · 15/04/2023 21:03

confirm in their minds that the UK has had it.

It's a bit late for that!

IcedPurple · 15/04/2023 21:04

BlackFriday · 15/04/2023 21:01

No, it doesn't work that way, you're right.
This is our shop window stuff. There aren't many ways we can "show off" to the world and the last thing we need is for other countries to look at some cheap-skate affair and confirm in their minds that the UK has had it.
It's the same reasoning behind people dressing up for occasions/business meetings. If you want to impress clients, you scrub up neatly and turn up in a decent car. All the main players on the world stage, as well as their spouses of either sex, look immaculate when they meet.

I agree.

But I was thinking more that Charles and Camilla aren't handed a budget that they can use "for more important public causes" as they please, while organising a Coronation on the cheap.

As I said previously, some people have a fairly odd idea as to how the monarchy and Britain works.

Lisbeth50 · 15/04/2023 21:13

I think some people are forgetting that the coronation is an official recognition of Charles as Head of State, not some elaborate family celebration.

  • I very much doubt anyone's birthdays were taken into account when planning when to have it.
  • Most countries have some sort of ceremony when the HoS changes.
  • There's only been a short amount of time that we've known there would be a coronation.
  • I'm sure they wanted the coronation to happen quite quickly bearing in mind Charles's age.
  • Archie & Lilibet are far too young to attend. I don't know why people keep harping on about it. The only one of William's children taking part is George - the others are too young. Princess Anne did not attend her mother's coronation & Charles - aged 4 or 5 - was only present for a very short time.
  • If Camilla wants her grandchildren to carry her cloak or whatever, surely that's fine and not a snub to anyone else.
BlackFriday · 15/04/2023 21:14

Sensible post, @Lisbeth50

milveycrohn · 16/04/2023 07:30

Although Archie and Lilibet are too young to attend the Coronation in Westminster Abbey, I suspect Charles hoped the Sussexes would have all come to the UK and stayed in the country long enough to have some informal family contact with his grandchildren who he has hardly seen. That would be normal for most grandparents, and not specific to Charles.
Of course, they may have contact via facetime calls, (but it has been rumoured that there is none or very little contact at all), but that is not really the same thing.

TheMarsian · 16/04/2023 08:19

Only normal when you have a good relation with your dcs.

When there is such a huge tension and issues, not so much….
I mean would you stay in contact with family that has been racist towards your spouse? I wouldn’t.

PilshardPillToSwallow · 16/04/2023 08:29

Apparently Harry wanted recognition and Charles did consider a toast to archie during the meal
The men in grey said no.

SirChenjins · 16/04/2023 08:38

I’m pretty sure the King can toast whomever he wishes and the men in grey don’t get to overrule him.

BlackFriday · 16/04/2023 08:49

PilshardPillToSwallow · 16/04/2023 08:29

Apparently Harry wanted recognition and Charles did consider a toast to archie during the meal
The men in grey said no.

Where did you get that from? That the "men in grey" said no?

nonheme · 16/04/2023 09:24

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rattymol · 16/04/2023 09:31

Rubbish. The men in grey, you mean Charles staff.
If Charles wanted to have a toast he can have a toast. They are his staff. Ultimately he is in charge.

Viviennemary · 16/04/2023 09:37

Yes Charles is in charge. But I expect he does listen to advisors unlike some we could mention. If it isn't usual to toast birthdays at formal occasions then it's the right decision.

Serenster · 16/04/2023 09:39

PilshardPillToSwallow · 16/04/2023 08:29

Apparently Harry wanted recognition and Charles did consider a toast to archie during the meal
The men in grey said no.

Seems unlikely given Charles managed to insert a personal message to Harry & Meghan in his very first public speech after his mother’s death. If he wants to mention his grandchild in a speech, who would stop him (and why?).

RainsThisWay · 16/04/2023 09:57

How silly to expect a birthday toast to a minor (or senior) prince during a coronation 😁. Utterly deluded if Harry and Meghan expected this.

If it was Prince George's birthday they wouldn't have toasted him either, it's inappropriate. The coronation is a matter of state and not even in infant school are children congratulated on the day by their teacher, they usually wait till Friday and all kids who had a birthday in that week get a happy birthday song then. Prince Archie is of no importance during the coronation. I must say it's really odd they scheduled the coronation on his birthday it's not very clever in terms of PR. So much attention on this princelings birthday he shouldn't even get a mention in relation to the coronation. I'd be quite annoyed in William's shoes.

purpledalmation · 16/04/2023 10:19

End of the day, Harry is his son and the children are his grandchildren, so he probably would like to see them Getting older he realises that hot air and high emotions don't last forever, but family are always there I think William is fine with NC but for a parent it's another matter.

The fact other people think H&M are backstabbing shits, is irrelevant

notanotheroneagain · 16/04/2023 11:13

PilshardPillToSwallow · 16/04/2023 08:29

Apparently Harry wanted recognition and Charles did consider a toast to archie during the meal
The men in grey said no.

The man in grey suits advice all the time and are the major cause of the rift within the family.

It was so funny to me, when the BBC were reporting on how CPB would be queen and they went through the timelines. At the exact moment they are telling us about HMQE 'wishes' for CPB to be called queen consort, they show footage of her sitting down and being told by Wasp to sign documents. I thought, how ironic is that. So, yes a lot of 'advice'.

SirChenjins · 16/04/2023 11:21

QC being told where to sign v KC (who is well known for doing exactly as he pleases) being told he can’t toast his DGC. The former is believable, the latter not so much.

notanotheroneagain · 16/04/2023 11:22

RainsThisWay · 16/04/2023 09:57

How silly to expect a birthday toast to a minor (or senior) prince during a coronation 😁. Utterly deluded if Harry and Meghan expected this.

If it was Prince George's birthday they wouldn't have toasted him either, it's inappropriate. The coronation is a matter of state and not even in infant school are children congratulated on the day by their teacher, they usually wait till Friday and all kids who had a birthday in that week get a happy birthday song then. Prince Archie is of no importance during the coronation. I must say it's really odd they scheduled the coronation on his birthday it's not very clever in terms of PR. So much attention on this princelings birthday he shouldn't even get a mention in relation to the coronation. I'd be quite annoyed in William's shoes.

The poster said Charles considered it, not H&M expected it.

Anyway, if the coronation is just a 'matter of the state', what are Camilla' sister grandchildren doing there?
Besides, Charles did mention his son, who is not working for him, in his state address.
The whole point of the RF is that they are an unelected family -with no choice to apply for the job- with a hybrid family and institution model.

tatalan · 16/04/2023 12:29

@milveycrohn you really think he hoped the Sussexes would come to the UK but evicted them from Frogmore? especially after Harry has made it repeatedly clear he feels his family is safest there.

Come on.

BlackFriday · 16/04/2023 14:56

It was reported they have u til the Sumer before needing to vacate.