Why is Charles disappointed Archie and Lillibet not coming?

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Charles has said he is disappointed Archie and Lillibet are not coming to the Coronation. But the children were not invited to anything at the Coronation weekend.
Charles will be busy the whole weekend with Coronation events and meeting officials. So why has he said he is disappointed when he would not even see them/ If he wanted to see them he should have invited them to something.

HaHa, I didn't know that and I may have to check that out. No mercy across the board does not surprise me one bit

He should have demanded from the start that he wants William and harry plus families at center stage.

Why though? Harry and Meghan have publicly smeared his family and revealed lots of private information about them as well as spread rumours, which is such a betrayal.

H&M decided not to be working royals and have emigrated (Harry has). They are now Americans in the US and probably have loads more fun there than the royals here with all their stuffy traditions and restrictions.

Harry is mushroom happy and Meghan is free to build a clean living empire like Gwinnie.

M&H have found freedom and there is no need for them to tag along as unwanted extras and represent the monarchy when they have tried to undermine the monarchy for their own personal gain.

All is good, Lili and Archie have Doria who must be an awesome and super cool granny and Charles has his hands full as is with the 3 Wales kids and Camilla's grand children.

Not all families are close with all their grand children, especially when they live on different continents. Who knows, maybe the Sussexes will develop a better relationship with grandad Markle, which would be lovely.

If I could chose between the Wales' lifestyle and the Sussexes' I'd chose the latter.

@BlackFriday also I feel the monarchy needs to jazz up and modernise.

Whilst happy birthday felicitations maybe too crass to sing in the abby, I'm positive there would have been some way to mark the kings grandson bday during the day.

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Indeed this particular circumstance I don't feel any of that is hugely relevant because it's his dad.

It's his grandchildren and the biggest day of his life.

" I'm positive there would have been some way to mark the kings grandson bday during the day."

But why? It's a 4th birthday. Plenty more to come and it can be celebrated on a different day. Archie is hardly likely to know, anyway; plus, in the grand scheme of things I'm afraid he's just not important. Why big him up as some sort of hero on the day?

Am a bit bored so looked at dates possibly available in may/june for coronation - there are some dates that have publicly known clashes may have been ruled out immediately - principally for logistical reasons - national travel capacity and policing requirements specifically for the sporting events at Wembley/Twickenham etc. I know the FA Cup Final clashed with Harry and Meghan's wedding - those two events weren't in same city and perhaps the learning from logistics around policing/travel capacity from having the two events on the same day were factored into coronation decisions...

They could have moved those events out of London (when Wembley was closed down and regenerated they did move the football finals to the Millenium Stadium in Cardiff but that was unavoidable. I'm sure there would be many complaining that the optics of booting out a traditional 'working class game' for the coronation wouldn't look great.

So even without the private diaries that we don't know about it wasn't like every weekend in May/June was available...

May 6th - Coronation
May 13th - Eurovision and Royal Windsor Horse Show/Womens FA cup final (sun 14th)
May 20th
May 27th - Rugby Final at Twickenham and EPF Play Offs at Wembley
June 3rd - FA Cup Final
June 10th -
June 17th - Trooping the Colour
June 23rd

"Both of whom who have had a pretty ghastly upbringing"

Really? Doesn't look that bad to me. At least, I'm sure there are millions, if not billions of people who have had much worse and who'd swap with them.

The reality is that a two and four year old wouldn't remember anything significant apart from if the memories of the occasion were kept alive by replaying footage. There was nothing in it for them, more in it for Charles. Just a load of scrutiny and becoming the subject of unkind gossip (and learning all about jet lag!)
My DC would be kept well away in that situation!

All mumsnetters know that mothers thoughts, feelings and rules have to trump GP’s thoughts, feelings and rules.

Meghan has chosen to celebrate her DS birthday with him over flying her 2 young DC halfway across the world to spend Archie’s birthday watching some stuffy, boring event for a grandfather they have seen a handful of times (at most) and who doesn’t want their mother there anyway.

Meghan wins this one 👍

I agree that Meghan wins this one. I wouldn't fancy flying to the UK with nannies etc with a 4 and a 2 year old and spending the 4 year olds birthday away form his buddies. Meghan can chill in their gorgeous home, Harry can support his dad and Kate can relax as she own' have to deal with a frenemy.

Did H&M ever publicly say they wanted Archie’s birthday mentioned? Or are we being gaslit by anti posters

Is it a competition? Surely being at home on your child’s birthday is something that you’d want to do, rather than seeing it as some sort of point scoring against tge in-laws.

It looks like everyone has got what they wanted here and everyone will enjoy their respective days.

It looks like everyone has got what they wanted here and everyone will enjoy their respective days.

Exactly, suits everyone.

As it is, Badminton 3 day event had to rearrange due to the coronation - a sporting fixture that is THE UK event for Anne and Zara's sport...

I suspect they are not crying themselves to sleep over it, but the reality is that finding a date is choosing a least inconvenient option.

Jazz up and modernise? Are you insane?

What next, are you expecting Rishi to take to Morris dancing?

It's all on record that the UK have a constitutional monarchy. This is the way it is for now.

Meghan was getting older and wanted a rich British husband and latched on. I can't see anything admirable about Harry or her and it certainly wasn't a love match. I don't care about their children except from they're protected from their parents' antics and vanity.

What a strange way of looking at precedence. Yes, he is the Head of the Church but that doesn't mean CofE leaders are at his beck and call, any more than the PM is at his beck and call as he is the Head of State.

It is a negotiation (as I'm sure you know, grand statements aside).

The staff of the relevant people compare diaries, and start by excluding the least important meetings. If a mutually suitable date emerges, great. If not, the meetings for the next level of importance gets taken out, and hopefully a mutually suitable date is found etc repeat for as long as necessary.

The idea that Charles can just say 'I demand that it is this date, no matter how inconvenient for others' - if you genuinely believe that happens - shows how little you understand a constitutional monarchy or the relationship between the monarch and the CofE.

And the idea that Charles would say, "Wait, but that's Archie's birthday!"
Everyone involved would likely say, "Who's Archie?"

@BlackFriday.. Then surely something with in the system has gone very wrong if his staff don't know who archie is.

Re rushi doing more is dancing no.

But.. Imagine how wonderful it would be if the smaller dc like loius and lilli and Luis could sit on his lap during it? Just momentarily?

Archie *

I am a very junior person in an organisation connected to the CofE, and sometimes have to find meeting dates for meetings involving bishops. Their diaries are booked up well in advance, and they would not be so disrespectful to the people they are meeting as to just change arrangements for a whim.

My experience is that suffragen bishops have admin support but largely handle their own diary, diocesan bishops have a PA to handle their diary, and for archbishops the PA and Chief of Staff handle the diary decisions!

I knew a couple of bishops who retired early, making polite conversation with them re: retirement plans it was clear that they recognised their spouses had sacrificed careers and they had not been able to be as present for their children as they would have wanted because of their role, and were retiring early to focus on their spouse's interests and their family while they were still in good health.

One of my parents friends was a vicar in the CofE - he thought that there was a lot to be said for the Eastern Orthadox position that married men could not be bishops - even as an 'ordinary' parish priest his family had to share his time and attention in a way they wouldn't if he had a 9-5 job.

I would imagine that it is much the same for e.g. senior civil servants, military etc - your job is 24/7 and your family has to fit around it to a large extent.

I suppose if Meghan has declined the invitation, that means the candle has been uninvited too?

Well, they want it in Spring, so lets say after Easter and before Trooping the Colour (though I bet there were discussions on combining the two)

Knock out weekends which fall during the school hols (oodles of people away) there are already Bank Hols (as having a double would be too much) plus the weekend of the London Marathon, and you're left with 6, 13, 20 May and 3 June (Derby Day, which would have mattered to ER II, but less so to KC, but that's also anniversary of the Jubilee, so perhaps avoided for that reason, plus its the FA Cup final)

So realistically, only 3 possible spring dates. I'm not sure how they would have chosen between those

This coronation is going to turn out to be an expensive mistake. There isn't enough support for it to happen at such a cost. Two old lovers celebrating one another and forcing it down the public's throat.

Anecdotally, but there is complete and unanimous support for the Coronation amongst my social circle. So that's all friends and family. Also work colleagues (I work between 2 large NHS units).

There's plenty of people looking forward to this. And some of us want as much pomp, circumstance and bling as possible.