Duchess of Success succeeds in getting the ridiculous lawsuit by Samantha Markle dismissed

[MrsMaxDeWinter]

Common sense decision this.

I hope that the tabloids who were (most probably) sponsoring this non-case of Samantha Markle's will pay the Duchess of Sussex her legal fees.

The judge correctly found that how Meghan felt about her upbringing was a subjective opinion about her childhood and her relationship with her half-sister. The court found that Meghan's statement about "feeling like an only child" is not objectively verifiable or subject to empirical proof, and, as a statement of pure opinion was “not capable of being proved false”.
The court also said the plaintiff Samantha "cannot plausibly disprove" Meghan's "opinion of her own childhood."

On the claims based on Finding Freedom, the court said the Duchess could not be held accountable for a book that she did not write or publish.

Go Meghan. I'm sure Samantha will file something else again soon ... and that she will lose again.

Tha statement was made more due to a Botox clinic insinuating Kate was a client. Their social media appeared to claim she'd had Botox at their clinic. There have been thousands of reports about Kate using Botox - the only one commented on was the one which seemed to be using her for advertising.

Well the statement is saying she didn’t get Botox isn’t it? Why would they comment if she had? They didn’t say she hasn’t used the clinic and the clinic didn’t say she was a client.

I work in a related field. Kate has had significantly less done than Meghan and her work is anti-aging not face altering.
Meghan has p. a rhinoplasty (advanced) where the nasal base is halved from the original, buccal fat removal and a chin implant and complete reconstruction of jawline and teeth (where they break the jaw and reform it to give desired projection and evenness) ,botox and fillers. The hair is obviously a big change from her natural.
Kate has botox and fillers in smaller doses. Her teeth are capped but her jawline is original as seem in childhood photos. She has some extensions but most of her hair is natural.

The statement was made because the clinic was trading off Kate’s image to sell their treatments. The Palace denied she used their clinic, rather than denying she used Botox at all.

And they made exactly the same announcement about Meghan when a company claimed she used their diet pills. It’s the unauthorised trading off their images to advertise products that was being objected to in both cases.

@Sudeko you have no idea what Meghan has or hasn’t had done.

I don't either - her career in Hollywood the pressure to go under the knife is huge and I agree she looks good before and after and it shows a certain dedication to her career.

I also think it's likely Kate had fillers or botox to look young - she very much in the limelight so must feel under some pressure to delay ageing and look her best. But would have been under less pressure to do anything more radical.

Clearly no-one can know for sure - but it's some not major moral failing on their part that must be denied if you support them it's the cult of youth and narrow fashion of beauty our society and media impose placing huge pressure on women in the media and wider society.

It's the cult of youth and narrow fashion of beauty our society and media impose placing huge pressure on women in the media and wider society.

Totally this @diflasu . I shake my head sadly at all the awful posts on twitter thinking they are scoring points by crowing over women in the public eye visibly ageing, and acting like this is a moral failing on their part. This is applied to royal women in particular. And not just Kate and Meghan either - Crown Princess Mary of Denmark has forums dedicated to doing just this.

I think this is because KM ages so rapidly, it seems like she has had 'less done'. But I think MM gets her mothers's genes that are youthful.

I don't see her smile as 'dead behind the eyes' any more than KM. She just has less crows feet and wrinkles - which certain races tend to have (or so people tend to say). I noticed this with the likes of Angela Basset/Halle Berry etc.

And, right on cue, here comes a post on just that subject….

'I think this is because KM ages so rapidly..'

Good grief.

Yeah, she looks ancient 😂

MM lives and worked in TV. She is rich and connected and has access to the best surgeons in the world. I’m sure she follows a wonderful diet and exercise regime. She looks wonderful, but she has the best help in the world. Lucky her

A Hollywood producer / agent would have no compunction telling an actress or actor to their faces to get something ‘fixed’ which must be far worse than a few posters on mumsnet.

Kate has also had some help and looks wonderful as well Lucky her too.

They both have great genes, Doria and Carole look fabulous and Kate’s dad (Meghan’s not so much)

The ageist society is a separate issue.

I was counter-arguing to the poster who claims MM had more procedures than KM with a deadlock behind the eyes. She is older than KM but doesn't look it.

Also, I could find maybe 20 unfiltered nor photoshopped pics of KM which show her looking quite old with lines. But I don't think that's necessary.

So maybe if you don't like KM procedures and looks discussed, you should lay off MM as well.

Quite mad

Also, I could find maybe 20 unfiltered nor photoshopped pics of KM which show her looking quite old with lines. But I don't think that's necessary.

Still at it I see.

The Princess of Wales is a woman in her 40s. She has lines, you say? And looks “quite old”? Well, I never.

And if someone posted, for instance, that Kate is far too thin and has the flat in front and flat behind figure of an ironing board, or that Camilla has bloated legs, terrible teeth and more crow's feet than a hundred crows, would that be acceptable?

If not, why are nasty comments about Meghan acceptable?

I thought it was understood that body shaming and targeted, personal attacks about looks were not acceptable on this board?

They are all unacceptable comments - all grounded in misogyny.

That the point I and I believe Serenster were making - all these comments judging women on their appearances and the judgment laden comments about possible reactions to that judging are misogynist.

If Meghan has had plastic surgery - and given her pervious career and where she was - Hollywood where it's very routine - it would be more news worthy if she hadn't.

It's not a moral failing that needs to be denied - it would be very normal in her world and she looked beautiful at start of her career and now.

It's still surgery it's full of risk and discomfort and pain - it's not a minor thing - frankly it's not something I'd be prepared to do for my career - it shows true dedication and drive IMO and given she makes an impression in Fringe and Suits only two shows I've seen her I can only think she didn't get further in Hollywood as she lacked familial connections that are rife there.

I also think its odd to complain about the huge amount of misogyny aimed at Meghan - and there is a lot - then make hate filled comments about other women and claim that one justifies the other.

I suspect the difference is I don't see people getting plastic surgery as doings something shameful - even for cosmetic reasons - I can decry a culture that seems to demand it while still seeing individuals undertaking it as very brave to lighter methods with less risk as just falling in line with current social accepted presentations.

Why do you need to dissect her looks at all?

Because if it's open season on every royal woman, then just say it is. You cannot have one standard for one and another for everyone else.

It was pretty obvious for instance that the recent picture of Charles and Camilla featured a Camilla who was photoshopped to the hills and back. And it is clear that Kate's pictures are also photoshopped. And as stated by some above, both Camilla and Kate have had work done on their faces, especially Camilla whose face looks more and more "pulled back" as each year goes by.

Is it acceptable for posters to discuss the details of every wrinkle and every hatchet faced expression that is softened?

If not, why is it okay to speculate about Meghan's plastic surgery etc?

If not, why is it okay to speculate about Meghan's plastic surgery etc?

Because it's Meghan. Anything goes sadly. Different rules.

Yep

If someone were to say Kate had a figure like an ironing board, I’d think they were blind

OP squeezed in some nasty comments about Kate and Camilla's appearance before taking the high ground. Quite mad.

@MrsMaxDeWinter

All I've said is she is beautiful -- I don't attach any judgement to what she has chosen or not chosen to do to her body - her choice.

I just don't think we need to shut down people who point out changes in celebrities appearances because plastic surgery isn't some shameful secret it's common among them due to the pressures they face.

It's the really odd phenomenon when women in media are berated for ageing and then castigated if they take any steps to appear better and derided as vain even if their employment depends on their looks to an extent.

I also dispute it only happens to Meghan - on this thread several poster's have made nasty comments about other women appearance - it sadly happens to many women in the media though she does get a fair bit of it- which doesn't mean its right at all just sadly all to common.

However by not talking about it at all - it means the tricks in photo shoots, photoshopping and the surgery we perpetuated to young and slightly more gullible that this is normal and without considerable effort with implication they are failing if they can't achieve the same and it also means the pressure on women in the media is ignore with no effort exerted to change it.

I don't think Camilla has had work done but some photos are airbrushed. Kate not sure. Meghan has perhaps not lately but a few years ago when she was an actress. Which is fair enough. Why not indeed. Nothing to be ashamed of.

@MrsMaxDeWinter

I have a daughter, I’m not going to let her believe the fairy tale that it’s all down to diet, exercise and contouring, or some celebrity endorsed magic pills

Many women are having surgery, in some cases quite drastic surgery. I think MM was lovely before, but Hollywood is an industry that demands perfection and people go to great lengths to achieve it

I don’t know why these surgery’s are a secret, it’s much the same with their diets. They apparently eat all this food, but defy the laws of chemistry.