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miri1985 · 2023-03-08T12:25:56+00:00

What happened to just call me Harry? Why would they want their children to be burdened with titles? “When reached by PEOPLE, a spokesperson for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex said: "I can confirm that Princess Lilibet Diana was christened on Friday, March 3 by the Archbishop of Los Angeles, the Rev John Taylor." https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-prince-harry-daughter-princess-lilibet-christened-california/

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 09/03/2023 07:33

I believe that they thought the Letters Patent would be updated for their children too, as they were for C and L.

I agree with this.

It was a kind and thoughtful gesture to "equalise" all William's children and give them the same rank as George.

it wasn’t done for kindness though. It was done pre George’s birth to prevent a first born daughter, who would be Queen thanks to the primogeniture changes made then, having a lesser title than a future younger brother.

It was to prevent them looking sexist, rather than kindness.

I would have thought Harry in particular would have understood this because it is precisely the heir and spare nonsense that he suffered from as a kid.

I think the Oprah interview showed that Harry doesn’t have a very good understanding of his family or how titles work whatsoever.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 09/03/2023 07:33

sydneysunset · 09/03/2023 07:30

I suspect the 'olive branches' will be in short supply once William is in charge - a Queen Margrethe style title-culling will undoubtedly be on the cards 😁

You are right, but if Charles is as long lived as his mother, that will be about 20 years from now, in which case one hopes Harry, Meg and the kids will have moved on with their lives, ad there will be no need for William to take his "revenge".

Maireas · 09/03/2023 07:34

MrsMaxDeWinter · 09/03/2023 07:30

Honestly? The "Royal Family" brand was lowered forever when a phone call between the current King and Queen was released in which one wanted to live forever as a tampon inside the other.

After that it could only go up!!

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That was a private conversation between two people which was hacked.
I daresay many wouldn't like personal conversations relayed to the general public.
It's not like he wrote it in an autobiography and retold it in interviews.

PreparationPreparationPrep · 09/03/2023 07:35

toomuchlaundry · 09/03/2023 07:25

@PreparationPreparationPrep but Archie is also called Prince when do they officially announce that?

Why didn’t he mention it in his book or the recent round of interviews he has done, especially when they made such a fuss about the children not having titles?

But if it is automatic so given anyway when the Queen died then there is no beed . If Archie was also being christened then they would have to.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 09/03/2023 07:36

@YetMoreNewBeginnings

It wasn’t done for kindness though. It was done pre George’s birth to prevent a first born daughter, who would be Queen thanks to the primogeniture changes made then, having a lesser title than a future younger brother.

Thanks for that explanation. I thought it was done after George's birth, but you are right, and that explanation makes sense. Disappointed though that it was about the usual rank and precedence and not about trying to equalise kids born to the same parents, at least in childhood!

Voida · 09/03/2023 07:37

It makes me smile that the parents have said "they can decide when they're older if they want to continue using the titles." How about having them decide if they want to start using them, since their Dad has been gnashing his teeth and wailing about how awful it was to grow up as a prince and in the spotlight. Why would they want that for their kids?

ExcaliburBaby · 09/03/2023 07:38

MrsMaxDeWinter · 09/03/2023 07:14

I think it did backfire because it was a mistake to link it to Andrew and to William's desire for a bigger house on top of his 5 existing houses. We soon saw reports of "olive branches" being offered. Even the gung-ho propagandists like Piers expressed misgivings, because it was handled so badly.

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I disagree it backfired. Yes there’s differing opinions but lots of people agree shouldn’t have a house just sat there for them. It certainly
isnt some PR disaster for Charles (although I agree the optics of Andrew getting it isn’t great - the less said about him the better)

themessygarden · 09/03/2023 07:38

There are a bunch of Greeks hanging out in London all calling themselves Prince and Princess. Even those who have been born since Greece became a Republic, are calling themselves Prince and Princess.

If H & M want to call their children Prince and Princess, let them. Hopefully, King Charles will have an epiphany and 'modernise' the royal family in the same vein as the Scandinavian Royal Houses, most UK people want to see that. Even if he does, they still may not stop using the titles, I wouldn't put it past the likes of Andrew's offspring or Harry.

toomuchlaundry · 09/03/2023 07:38

@PreparationPreparationPrep why would they have to announce it if Archie was being christened? It is not their baptismal name

MrsMaxDeWinter · 09/03/2023 07:39

Maireas · 09/03/2023 07:34

That was a private conversation between two people which was hacked.
I daresay many wouldn't like personal conversations relayed to the general public.
It's not like he wrote it in an autobiography and retold it in interviews.

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I know it was leaked @Maireas

But the fact remains that many now associate Charles and Camilla with the Tampon Incident.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 09/03/2023 07:42

MrsMaxDeWinter · 09/03/2023 07:30

Honestly? The "Royal Family" brand was lowered forever when a phone call between the current King and Queen was released in which one wanted to live forever as a tampon inside the other.

After that it could only go up!!

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why are people so continually determined to misrepresent that tampon comment?
At no point did he say he wanted to be a tampon…

Blip · 09/03/2023 07:44

Looking forward to the South Park take on this.

Foreversearch · 09/03/2023 07:44

PreparationPreparationPrep · 09/03/2023 07:20

This means H & M have carefully chosen the timing of the announcement. H could have included this conversation in Spare along with the other disclosures about conversations held after the funeral.

They announced it because of Lillibet's christening held a few days ago.

@PreparationPreparationPrep exactly my point.

Tyler Perry said in the Netflix documentary he had asked to be Godfather. The documentary itself stated “ All interviews were completed by August 2022”. At that stage they did not know the Queen’s death was imminent but were planning a Christening.

As per my post 5+ months ago KC is understood to have said A & L could use their titles.

Normally KC/BP would announce new titles fairly quickly once they have been assumed or awarded. H & M ignored all normal protocols, as is their right, and all the other opportunities in the last 5 months to announce it, again their right, so they could strategically announce it whilst pointing out KC, QC & POWs didn’t attend the christening.

Maireas · 09/03/2023 07:45

MrsMaxDeWinter · 09/03/2023 07:39

I know it was leaked @Maireas

But the fact remains that many now associate Charles and Camilla with the Tampon Incident.

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Which is a bit unfair, and quite silly.

PreparationPreparationPrep · 09/03/2023 07:48

@PreparationPreparationPrep why would they have to announce it if Archie was being christened? It is not their baptismal name

No it is not the baptismal name - I'm glad that's cleared up.

It was the title used to announce that Lillibet had been christened. There was no need to announce Archie as no event had taken place, he is still Prince Archie,

smilesy · 09/03/2023 07:51

Serenster · 09/03/2023 07:25

Meanwhile Kate dressed as an army officer and got no attention as usual. The royal family were very stupid to let H&M jump ship.

Today’s newspapers - Kate is on the front of six of them. Not sure what you consider “no attention” looks like, but that looks a lot like attention to me even if the Sussexes put out a story that they would absolutely know would cause a lot of comment (both positive and negative) on the same day.

I agree and I was also thinking that I can’t imagine that Meghan would have been happy to be on Salisbury Plain in the snow if she had stayed. This was just the sort of unglamorous thing that it seemed they wanted to avoid as members of the RF, yet it is what the RF do. So to say she would have brought more attention to the monarchy doesn’t make sense. It’s not Kate that’s garnering attention, it’s the role she is carrying out.

Foreversearch · 09/03/2023 07:53

PreparationPreparationPrep · 09/03/2023 07:48

@PreparationPreparationPrep why would they have to announce it if Archie was being christened? It is not their baptismal name

No it is not the baptismal name - I'm glad that's cleared up.

It was the title used to announce that Lillibet had been christened. There was no need to announce Archie as no event had taken place, he is still Prince Archie,

@PreparationPreparationPrep H & M could at anytime in the last 5+ months have said following discussions with KC, A & L will be known as Prince and Princess etc. They chose to wait for the christening and do it in a way designed to create a media buzz rather than adding a sentence to state they had accepted the titles on behalf of their children.

PreparationPreparationPrep · 09/03/2023 08:01

PreparationPreparationPrep H & M could at anytime in the last 5+ months have said following discussions with KC, A & L will be known as Prince and Princess etc. They chose to wait for the christening and do it in a way designed to create a media buzz rather than adding a sentence to state they had accepted the titles on behalf of their children.

Disagree! Any announcement they make - any day of the week would have created a media buzz. Whether it was 5 months or 5 days ago. Apparently they released it to take the spotlights away knowing that Kate was going to be dressing up as a soldier so between C&C and W&K and children they are supposed to dodge. Anyway for that you should be blaming the tabloids. They choose to put out the news that will sell n the same way MNetters choose which topics they want to discuss on the forum.

JoanThursday1972 · 09/03/2023 08:07

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 09/03/2023 07:42

why are people so continually determined to misrepresent that tampon comment?
At no point did he say he wanted to be a tampon…

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Charles: Oh, God. I’ll just live inside your trousers or something. It would be much easier!

Camilla: (Laughing) What are you going to turn into, a pair of knickers? (Both laugh). Oh, you’re going to come back as a pair of knickers.

Charles: Or, God forbid, a Tampax. Just my luck! (Laughs)

Camilla: You are a complete idiot! (Laughs) Oh, what a wonderful idea.

Charles: My luck to be chucked down the lavatory and go on and on forever swirling round on the top, never going down.

Quite right, here is the actual segment of the conversation.

MarshaMelrose · 09/03/2023 08:07

It was to prevent them looking sexist, rather than kindness.

Ot was to stop the sexism of a younger brother inheriting over an older sister. There was nothing ' looking' about it. The Queen overturned 1,000 years of sexist law.

I agree it wasn't kindness, it was keeping up with the times and modern expectations.

queenofarles · 09/03/2023 08:09

The royal titles do confer status and prestige, even in the USA, I would suspect.

royal titles mean nothing in the US , unless you are in a reality show like Countess Luann!
Besides so many ex Royals live there and are generally unnoticed ,

America doesn’t really need totality to feel special ,
there are so many influential old money families like Mellon , Getty , Hearst , even newer dynasties like Bush , these names are far more acknowledged and important They have established prestigious universities , Donated millions of their own money to research centres , founded and donated valuable Art collections to museums .

Ladyintangerine · 09/03/2023 08:10

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 09/03/2023 07:42

why are people so continually determined to misrepresent that tampon comment?
At no point did he say he wanted to be a tampon…

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That's incorrect.

"The conversation was notable for a number of reasons, not least of which because it involved the heir to the throne saying that he would like to “live inside [her] trousers” and joking that he would be reincarnated as a tampon, hence the name of the scandal." (Time Magazine)

Transcript here;

CHARLES: Oh, God. I’ll just live inside your trousers or something. It would be much easier!
CAMILLA: (laughing) What are you going to turn into, a pair of knickers? (Both laugh). Oh, you’re going to come back as a pair of knickers.
CHARLES: Or, God forbid, a Tampax. Just my luck! (Laughs)
CAMILLA: You are a complete idiot! (Laughs) Oh, what a wonderful idea

Inkpotlover · 09/03/2023 08:10

Serenster · 09/03/2023 07:25

Meanwhile Kate dressed as an army officer and got no attention as usual. The royal family were very stupid to let H&M jump ship.

Today’s newspapers - Kate is on the front of six of them. Not sure what you consider “no attention” looks like, but that looks a lot like attention to me even if the Sussexes put out a story that they would absolutely know would cause a lot of comment (both positive and negative) on the same day.

Yes, interesting timing. It's very easy to look up future Royal engagements on the Royal.uk and see which Royal is doing what where…

Inkpotlover · 09/03/2023 08:17

smilesy · 09/03/2023 07:51

I agree and I was also thinking that I can’t imagine that Meghan would have been happy to be on Salisbury Plain in the snow if she had stayed. This was just the sort of unglamorous thing that it seemed they wanted to avoid as members of the RF, yet it is what the RF do. So to say she would have brought more attention to the monarchy doesn’t make sense. It’s not Kate that’s garnering attention, it’s the role she is carrying out.

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I can't see it either. Today, according to Royal.uk, the Countess of Wessex is planting a tree in honour of something. In this weather. While tomorrow, the Princess Royal is launching… a barge. Can you honestly see MM doing something anything like that? In fact, it's only when you look at the calendar that you realise the amount of tedious engagements the Royals carry out!

vera99 · 09/03/2023 08:23

TeaMistress · 08/03/2023 23:21

This tiresome pair have been going on ad nauseum for the last several years about how the royal family were racist / toxic / nasty / cold etc etc. They profess to loathe the "colonialist" institution that they say caused them so much pain etc. They loathe the UK. They hate the British people. They never stop complaining about how hard done by they are and how hard their lives are. They are now wanting their children to have royal titles from the institution and the country that they hate so very much. Vile pair of hypocrites. This is just another desperate attempt to monetise their increasingly tenuous connection to royalty. If either parent genuinely wanted to protect their children from the supposedly awful royal family they wouldn't be insisting that they be titled as either Prince or Princess. They cannot have it both ways and they should either be in or out. Time for Harry to surrender all of his titles and become an ordinary man as he is so keen to avoid "genetic pain". That way they could live the ordinary private life they supposedly crave. Its nonsense for Harry or his family to retain either titles or places in the line of succession for an institution they profess to hate.

80% of your post is you projecting your own feelings onto them, feelings no doubt seeded and fertilised by a rabid tabloid press. Literally none of us know them (apart from the Kensington Palace PR team posting here !) or Kate, and if ye are here then ye are to declare it.