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The royal family

Drama between Eugenie/Jack and William/Kate

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AmandaJonah · 01/03/2023 11:15

I missed this last year. Apparently Eugenie and Jack had wanted to love into Adelaide Cottage as their main British residence (they also live part-time in Portugal for Jack's work). But William and Kate successfully claimed Adelaide Cottage instead as their fourth or fifth house?
This apparently led to tension between the two families. Instead Jack and Eugenie live in Nottingham Cottage which has two bedrooms. They already have one child and Eugenie is pregnant. I am guessing this is why they wanted a slightly bigger house.

www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a42035692/where-does-princess-eugenie-live-nottingham-cottage/

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Plitvice · 04/03/2023 11:27

I don't know about people positivizing every bad experience deliberately. It doesn't really fit the definition of healed as far as I am concerned. It deals with the optics (which is relevant to her own life, obviously). It may become a learned behaviour over time and actually become true in the end but it sounds like self-brainwashing which is just pushing the trauma into a big, old invisible trunk. It makes me smile in the same way as a million memes but it doesn't resonate with me on a deeper level.

Plitvice · 04/03/2023 11:30

Maireas · 04/03/2023 11:26

Thanks, @vera99 - what does she mean, she's never really met Meghan? According to Meghan, she and Harry were visitors to Royal Lodge and Sarah taught Meghan how to curtsey. M&H are friends with the York family, why minimise it?.
Anyway, Andrew's "tumultuous year" isn't wrong. Although "poor Andrew" maybe stretching it.

It could be that Meghan has been fibbing again and she is trying to set the record straight. I think that Eugenie will tell her off for saying it because she didn't have to.

Roussette · 04/03/2023 11:33

I did feel sorry for her over the press she received, how she so clearly remembers it and how upsetting it must have been to have been constantly compared to Diana and found wanting

So agree with this. It was just awful how they compared the two and Fergie was always going to come off worse.
The media have a lot to answer for... is it just going to carry on like this? Because next minute it'll be George and Louis's partners and Charlotte in the firing line.

Maireas · 04/03/2023 11:34

You could be right, @Plitvice .
Maybe Sarah is trying to correct that claim.
All the memes and clichéd phrases get a bit cloying.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 04/03/2023 11:47

I do wonder whether... Charles going on about 'slimming down' for a decade or more, was an excuse to sort Andrew out.

I don’t think his slimming was ever meant to include his siblings.

It was his way of making sure it was known that his cousins weren’t needed and that his children’s cousins weren’t needed. Also that the children of the Queen’s working cousins weren’t needed.

The current full time working crop back when “slimming” first came up would have been viewed as Charles & his wife, Andrew & his wife, Edward & wife, Anne, plus Charles children (which has been said before he always planned just two) and their spouses. So 11 of them.

No spaces for Princess Margaret’s children, his siblings children, or the younger generation of Kent’s and Gloucesters. Even just his nieces and nephews would have been adding another 6 minimum.

MrsFinkelstein · 04/03/2023 11:49

‘they are not celebrities. They are part of an extraordinary institution, and they go out and do their work. That’s what I did when I became a princess."

This is the part that resonated the most with me tbh.

And the most insightful, and something that is missed by many who only really started paying attention to the RF in 2018.

They aren't celebrities at all, yet many keep treating them that way: talking about popularity etc. Popularity is part of it, but the role & the relationship the BRF have within UK culture is so much more complex.

MrsFinkelstein · 04/03/2023 11:55

Roussette · 04/03/2023 11:33

I did feel sorry for her over the press she received, how she so clearly remembers it and how upsetting it must have been to have been constantly compared to Diana and found wanting

So agree with this. It was just awful how they compared the two and Fergie was always going to come off worse.
The media have a lot to answer for... is it just going to carry on like this? Because next minute it'll be George and Louis's partners and Charlotte in the firing line.

It's very true, but tbh it's not just the media. It's the public.

It happens constantly here for example: comments about whether Meghan or Catherine are copying each others clothes for just one recent example.

Is it just human nature??
Look how many other stories about celebs we talk about...Jennifer Aniston v Angelina Jolie, Colleen Rooney v whatever her name was.

Do human beings just like to gossip???

MrsFinkelstein · 04/03/2023 11:56

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 04/03/2023 11:47

I do wonder whether... Charles going on about 'slimming down' for a decade or more, was an excuse to sort Andrew out.

I don’t think his slimming was ever meant to include his siblings.

It was his way of making sure it was known that his cousins weren’t needed and that his children’s cousins weren’t needed. Also that the children of the Queen’s working cousins weren’t needed.

The current full time working crop back when “slimming” first came up would have been viewed as Charles & his wife, Andrew & his wife, Edward & wife, Anne, plus Charles children (which has been said before he always planned just two) and their spouses. So 11 of them.

No spaces for Princess Margaret’s children, his siblings children, or the younger generation of Kent’s and Gloucesters. Even just his nieces and nephews would have been adding another 6 minimum.

That's the understanding I always had about the "slimming down" from press reports over the years.

Maireas · 04/03/2023 11:58

I think it's about women, and how they are judged.
Diana was always beautiful, slim, shy, elegant. Fergie was plumper, bustling, noisy, colourful, tasteless. How do you compare to that? It must have been awful, and yes, I do fear for Charlotte etc

queenofarles · 04/03/2023 12:01

remember before Beatrice was married and she had those 15 holidays in one year, Aspen, St Barts, Verbier.... it was all friends, friends of friends and connections. Yachts, ski chalets, villas etc.
but she was dating Dave Clark at that time and I think mostly these invites were mostly for his own benefit, I got the sense he was taking advantage of her,
she was done pretty badly by him later, broke up , met someone pretty soon and married within 6 months,
she seems pretty happy now and her husband seems like a decent guy. I think out of all of them she matured the most.

nilsoften · 04/03/2023 12:59

MrsFinkelstein · 04/03/2023 11:49

‘they are not celebrities. They are part of an extraordinary institution, and they go out and do their work. That’s what I did when I became a princess."

This is the part that resonated the most with me tbh.

And the most insightful, and something that is missed by many who only really started paying attention to the RF in 2018.

They aren't celebrities at all, yet many keep treating them that way: talking about popularity etc. Popularity is part of it, but the role & the relationship the BRF have within UK culture is so much more complex.

Historically yes, the late Queen in spades , almost mystical to most of the population. But it's now 2023, a declining nation in terms of power and economy and the inexorable rise of the always on social media and everybody "knowing everything". The landscape has inexorably changed and if say the under 40s don't buy into this then the glue that binds the BRF to the sense of nationhood and identity is beginning to change and not in their favour.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/03/2023 13:06

I do wonder whether... Charles going on about 'slimming down' for a decade or more, was an excuse to sort Andrew out ...

A very fair point, Roussette, though I'm still intrigued about whether this planned "slimming down" came from Charles himself. Certainly I don't believe he'd ever opt for anything which disadvantaged him personally, so it may just be all spin as usual

Had to laugh about Nicholas Witchell though; after Charles's remarks about him which were caught on the mic I'm surprised he's so invested!!

As for Beatrice, Eugenie and what was accurately called the "York brand", I make no assumptions but would still be interested to know just how involved the girls were in receiving money from Epstein. Certainly they present a good face, but as we should all know by now, what's presented and what's reality aren't always the same thing

Roussette · 04/03/2023 13:16

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/03/2023 13:06

I do wonder whether... Charles going on about 'slimming down' for a decade or more, was an excuse to sort Andrew out ...

A very fair point, Roussette, though I'm still intrigued about whether this planned "slimming down" came from Charles himself. Certainly I don't believe he'd ever opt for anything which disadvantaged him personally, so it may just be all spin as usual

Had to laugh about Nicholas Witchell though; after Charles's remarks about him which were caught on the mic I'm surprised he's so invested!!

As for Beatrice, Eugenie and what was accurately called the "York brand", I make no assumptions but would still be interested to know just how involved the girls were in receiving money from Epstein. Certainly they present a good face, but as we should all know by now, what's presented and what's reality aren't always the same thing

If I remember correctly @Puzzledandpissedoff he talked about 'slimming down' about 15 years ago? He was full of it. Now there's lots of reports from the Autumn that he has now ditched the idea ... when was it the Queen died again? Remind me lol

It seemed like a good idea no doubt when he was the heir. Now he is Big Cheese it's not so appealing.
It has naturally slimmed somewhat, so same amount of money... just to less Royals!

Norman Baker, you just gotta love him... this is what he wrote in an article about the slimming down after the Queen died.

“What slimmed down is not, is having five people on the balcony. It’s making the monarchy modern and accountable — something much closer to the Benelux or Scandinavian models,” he said, noting that other surviving European monarchies manage on a fraction of the budget afforded to the Windsors and can be seen riding bicycles and going to supermarkets.

In the UK, this would mean reducing the number of royals to protect and palaces to maintain, and discontinuing the more anachronistic privileges and entitlements afforded them, he said.

These include such perks as the exemption from inheritance tax that King Charles will shortly enjoy, breaks on corporation tax afforded to the private royal estates of the Duchy of Cornwall and Lancaster, and the secrecy with which the monarchy is allowed to conduct some of its affairs.

“The main problem underpinning everything is freedom of information. The monarchy should be subject to the same rules as other parts of the public sector. They are public servants with public money and should be subject to the same public accountability,”

Maireas · 04/03/2023 13:20

@Puzzledandpissedoff - you're right about the Yorks and the Epstein connection. It wasn't just Andrew, and I understand that money was involved?

Maireas · 04/03/2023 13:22

Looking into it, I read that Sarah Ferguson regards it as "an error of judgement" that she allowed Epstein to pay off her debts.
No kidding.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/03/2023 13:26

Norman Baker: “The main problem underpinning everything is freedom of information. The monarchy should be subject to the same rules as other parts of the public sector. They are public servants with public money and should be subject to the same public accountability,”

And rarely were truer words written Wink Won't happen though, and while I try to avoid stating things as fact if they can't be proved I'll take the risk on that one!!

I've genuinely not been able to find anything about the "slimming" directly spoken or written by Charles though, and believe me I've looked ... any chance of a link if you're aware of anything?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/03/2023 13:30

It wasn't just Andrew, and I understand that money was involved?

I'm not absolutely certain of this, but believe something was said about Epstein "donating" towards one of the girl's weddings?
If it's true at all, that may have been kept purely between Epstein and her parents or it may not - the point is I'd be interested to know (but almost certainly never will)

Roussette · 04/03/2023 13:39

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Here's a few! One from 2012 leads me to believe this is an Andrew thing!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2180012/Princes-war-How-Charles-plans-slimmed-monarchy-driven-dagger-Andrews-heart--sparked-Palace-power-struggle.html
I hate the DM but the dramatic headline meant I couldn't resist!

This from 2003 with Mark Bolland dishing the dirt and saying he wants a slimmed down monarchy

And this from 2013.
That this is so, that the extended 'imperial’ Royal Family of yesteryear is fading into history, to be replaced by a “core Firm”, is due in large part to Prince Charles. The heir to the throne is the prime-mover in the drive for a slimmed-down, modernised monarchy, centred on his own immediate family and more in keeping with these austere times.

What is interesting in the last link (which I had to archive as it's behind a paywall) is how little contact the 4 of them (Charles and siblings) have or had with each other. They certainly aren't close in any which way!

stillavid · 04/03/2023 13:39

Totally agree with you Rousette - the Norman Baker book is a very interesting read.

There should be way more transparency over the Royal's finances and wills etc.

I think a super slimmed down monarchy is a great idea. I can't understand the allure of going to see a Royal open a park or whatever and I am not exactly young. But I really can't see the younger generation really caring at all which means they just don't need so many royals.

I know people go on about how important royal patronages are but I even wonder about that nowadays - you would get more of under 30's there if it was Selena Gomez as patron. Especially as they are all gripped in the current drama surrounding her.

stillavid · 04/03/2023 13:41

I also think that actually Kate and William would be quite happy not to be Royals. Don't get me wrong, I am sure they would like a nice big chunk of the inherited wealth/property but would be happy not to have their children growing up under the spotlight.

Roussette · 04/03/2023 13:45

I would love to know @stillavid whether William is so onboard with being an heir as we are led to believe.
I mean... who would want that life? If I were him or Kate, I would be fearing for my children. Not in a physical way, but for their mental health with the constant scrutiny and their lives picked over. They come across as very loving parents and I wonder what they think.

Maireas · 04/03/2023 13:48

I agree with you @stillavid - they're not natural celebrities, and don't actively seek the limelight.

stillavid · 04/03/2023 13:53

I think William has just sort of accepted it but I doubt it is what he wanted.

I can't see any of them really wanting it. I would hate the scrutiny and a lot of what they do looks deadly dull to me.

Also agree Rousette about them not wanting it for their children.

Those poor children are growing up again in a different age to their parents, how will they be able to make the mistakes all teens make without it ending up on social media.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/03/2023 13:57

I hate the DM but the dramatic headline meant I couldn't resist!

Go and stand in the naughty corner immediately Roussette!! Wink

Still nothing spoken/written from Charles though, but I do agree Mark Bolland's remarks carry more weight considering the role he was given "rehabilitating" Charles and Camilla's image - or maybe they didn't mean it at all and it just sounded good?

As for the closeness or not of the siblings, there are a number of indicators there ... Anne's waspish comment on an interview post-Dimbleby that "I can't imagine anyone would feel we weren't loved", Andrew (well, just the name serves), and Edward's pursuit of William at college and the non-delivery so far of the DofE title

Mind you, I wouldn't want to be too close either if I knew my older brother was providing property for a known paedophile, and then expected to take up a position which put him beyond the law Hmm

sydneysunset · 04/03/2023 14:35

If anything, I think the fact that William and Kate aren't interested in being celebrities makes them more suitable to be King and Queen, not less.