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Andrew in bid to clear his name

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Viviennemary · 22/01/2023 01:10

Daily Mail is reporting this, I heard it on Sky News press preview. He is going to try to get her to retract her statement, apologise and pay back the money. It's hard to know what to think. But apparently, she dropped the case against another man after saying it was a case of mistaken identity. Prince Andrew said he can't recall meeting her. Very stramge.

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CathyorClaire · 22/01/2023 11:39

I don't know if it would be right to assume that any effort to overturn the compensation would have King Charles's approval.

This report suggests Charles has no plans to block it. I wonder if that hints Andrew thinks there's an ace up his sleeve in which case what could possibly go wrong?

www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1724555/prince-andrew-virginia-roberts-giuffre-jeffrey-epstein-latest-royal-news-ont

Roussette · 22/01/2023 11:40

@Diverseopinions

Great post. Agree with all you say.

Sometimes the RF just try too hard. As in the case of Camilla at the moment. She has done well with her rehabilitation, but it will be one step too far for some with all the cosying up to Sarah and Andrew. Why not quit whilst you are ahead? (figuratively speaking of course)

CathyorClaire · 22/01/2023 11:41

Why pay someone £12m if you are innocent?

Apparently it was to make it all go away before Mummy's Jubilee.

It all gets more barking intriguing by the day.

vera99 · 22/01/2023 11:59

Diverseopinions · 22/01/2023 11:15

I don't know if it would be right to assume that any effort to overturn the compensation would have King Charles's approval.

I'm reminded that the DM is reporting on Sarah Ferguson's return to the Royal fold. The reporting says that Queen Consort Camilla approves of her, and that the Queen Consort is now the power behind the throne. An anonymous source for this of course, but is this Queen Consort Camilla herself briefing a chosen reporter? Through Sarah Ferguson, possibly?

Perhaps she thinks that Andrew should restore his image more vigorously.

The DM seem to have access to a lot of detail, about Sarah: she is gentry like Camilla and she likes horses. And she knows how to' play the game' with Camilla.

I don't think the press would have found out or needed to know about Sarah's Christmas return. I'm not sure I feel this wave of press briefings and hinting at the power behind the throne is a good idea at all. I've not seen any evidence of the right note being struck so far, whether it's photos of Jeremy Clarkson attending a drinks reception graced by Camilla to Camilla bopping in the aisles at an Abba concert. Everything is striking the wrong note and seeming like the leaker mistakenly thinks the public gives a fig about these people who are not that cool and in fact very old.

We like the Royal shaking hands with volunteers and being discreet like the Queen. Anything that reeks of personal influence being welded with gusto is a little too Princess Diana without the glamour and charm.

I have a feeling if I was running a revolutionary cell plotting the overthrow of the monarchy I would instruct my troops to arrest Camilla first where after a robust but friendly conversation and plying her with gin we would move on from there. The idea that SF could come back (toe sucking anyone and the cash for access tape) looks like a desperate attempt to pay the leccie by forensically searching your flat and overturning the sofa looking for chump change.

vera99 · 22/01/2023 12:02

There is a twitter account majoring in this.

twitter.com/ohreallytruly

AmazonianAvatar · 22/01/2023 12:08

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/meghan-markle-prince-andrew-trial-b1980527.html?amp

The £12 million payment could possibly have been made at the insistence of HMTQ to prevent other Royals having to give evidence I suppose. Now she’s passed, perhaps Charles has a different perspective.

Don’t get why Meghan would be singled out as a close associate of Andrew’s though? Surely Andrew’s DDs or even Charles himself as Andrew’s brother would be closer?

What’s in it for Maxwell to say that she didn’t remember Andrew ever meeting Victoria Guiffre and the photo being a fake? Prison time reduced?

vera99 · 22/01/2023 12:10

AmazonianAvatar · 22/01/2023 12:08

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/meghan-markle-prince-andrew-trial-b1980527.html?amp

The £12 million payment could possibly have been made at the insistence of HMTQ to prevent other Royals having to give evidence I suppose. Now she’s passed, perhaps Charles has a different perspective.

Don’t get why Meghan would be singled out as a close associate of Andrew’s though? Surely Andrew’s DDs or even Charles himself as Andrew’s brother would be closer?

What’s in it for Maxwell to say that she didn’t remember Andrew ever meeting Victoria Guiffre and the photo being a fake? Prison time reduced?

What the pp is alluding to is that gossip alleges that MM was a a yatch girl known to PA through Epstein and that she was passed onto PH. Utter rubbish of course cooked up in the toxic areas of the internet.

derxa · 22/01/2023 12:11

Its weird that VGs charity the money went to hasn't had any activity since. Its all a bit odd tbh.
That's my problem with it all.

Viviennemary · 22/01/2023 12:16

I think he did want to go to court but was persuaded not to do this. Possibly because of the publicity and they didn't want the Queen to have this stress in her final days. I have read before that the photo might be photoshopped. Who knows.

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AliceOlive · 22/01/2023 13:21

Viviennemary · 22/01/2023 12:16

I think he did want to go to court but was persuaded not to do this. Possibly because of the publicity and they didn't want the Queen to have this stress in her final days. I have read before that the photo might be photoshopped. Who knows.

I thought this at the time, too. And I never believed VG’s accusations against Dershowitz. Her admission she was “wrong” throws her accusations into question. She went after big names, clearly.

She also admitted recruiting young girls for Epstein for two years, from age 17-19. She’s a victim, but also a participant in abuse. For money.

paintitallover · 22/01/2023 13:21

He has no hope of rehabilitating himself in this country. No amount of spin will do it.

JoyPeaceHealth · 22/01/2023 13:31

Wow he is extremely stupid.

He can never clear his name imo. If he doesn't remember her it's because he felt the honour was all hers.

vera99 · 22/01/2023 13:31

I really wouldn't waste any bandwith on trying to defend PA in any respect and to besmirch VG what's the agenda there ?

Viviennemary · 22/01/2023 13:36

Now article stating Ghislaine Maxwell is now saying photo is definitely photoshopped.Why is she just saying this now. I don't think Andrew will ever be well thought of. But if he was wrongly accused through some mistaken identity then he should try and clear his name.

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vera99 · 22/01/2023 13:40

Viviennemary · 22/01/2023 13:36

Now article stating Ghislaine Maxwell is now saying photo is definitely photoshopped.Why is she just saying this now. I don't think Andrew will ever be well thought of. But if he was wrongly accused through some mistaken identity then he should try and clear his name.

She's a convicted sex trafficker and enabler of Epstein. Whatever agenda she may have I think it's safe to assume it's self serving and ignoble.

AliceOlive · 22/01/2023 13:45

AmazonianAvatar · 22/01/2023 12:08

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/meghan-markle-prince-andrew-trial-b1980527.html?amp

The £12 million payment could possibly have been made at the insistence of HMTQ to prevent other Royals having to give evidence I suppose. Now she’s passed, perhaps Charles has a different perspective.

Don’t get why Meghan would be singled out as a close associate of Andrew’s though? Surely Andrew’s DDs or even Charles himself as Andrew’s brother would be closer?

What’s in it for Maxwell to say that she didn’t remember Andrew ever meeting Victoria Guiffre and the photo being a fake? Prison time reduced?

That article is really strange. It’s from Dec 2021. Did H&M respond in any way?

AliceOlive · 22/01/2023 13:47

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Giuffre

Yesthatismychildsigh · 22/01/2023 13:48

But if he’s innocent he could clear his name by talking to the FBI, as he said he would in his interview. But apparently all access to him is being blocked, by the Palace, disgustingly. He really is an intellectually subnormal piece of shit. And all those covering and supporting him are no better.

AliceOlive · 22/01/2023 13:52

Viviennemary · 22/01/2023 13:36

Now article stating Ghislaine Maxwell is now saying photo is definitely photoshopped.Why is she just saying this now. I don't think Andrew will ever be well thought of. But if he was wrongly accused through some mistaken identity then he should try and clear his name.

She’s not trustworthy at all. She’s also not the first person to say the photo is faked.

VG could have been charged in conjunction with recruiting young girls for Epstein. She was doing this from age 17+ when she got involved until she was 19 and apparently even flew to Thailand for the purposes of doing so.

Glad she finally got out of the situation but she was above the age of reason while doing this. We see children as young as 12 tried as adults in the US.

AliceOlive · 22/01/2023 13:54

Yesthatismychildsigh · 22/01/2023 13:48

But if he’s innocent he could clear his name by talking to the FBI, as he said he would in his interview. But apparently all access to him is being blocked, by the Palace, disgustingly. He really is an intellectually subnormal piece of shit. And all those covering and supporting him are no better.

If he wants to clear his name he will have to talk to the FBI. Sounds like he might now. I think he seems stupid enough to do it even if he is guilty, based on that interview.

I don’t think people should be able to pay their way out of criminal charges, either so happy to see this might be handled in the light of day rather than through the exchange of cash.

AliceOlive · 22/01/2023 13:56

But I thought this was supposed to have happened in the UK, not the US? That picture is supposedly from Ghislaine’s London house? How would the FBI have jurisdiction?

Yesthatismychildsigh · 22/01/2023 14:00

AliceOlive · 22/01/2023 13:56

But I thought this was supposed to have happened in the UK, not the US? That picture is supposedly from Ghislaine’s London house? How would the FBI have jurisdiction?

It also happened in the USA from memory, but they’re the ones investigating as most of the other stuff was in the USA. That’s why it’s them investigating. If he was innocent and cared about this, why wouldn’t he talk to them?

fUNNYfACE36 · 22/01/2023 14:02

Viviennemary · 22/01/2023 12:16

I think he did want to go to court but was persuaded not to do this. Possibly because of the publicity and they didn't want the Queen to have this stress in her final days. I have read before that the photo might be photoshopped. Who knows.

A lot seems to hang on the validity of the photo. VG initially claimed the original had been given to the police who subsequently refuted that.she now claims it is probably in a packing box at her parents or parent in laws house.Nobody has ever seen the original.

purpledalmation · 22/01/2023 14:04

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of course Epsteins 'friends' should be held accountable, but they have managed to be kept out of the media or the courts. I wonder how? I wonder why only 2 british people have been held to account?

As for my only being able to gather my information from the media... well where do you get yours? Telepathy? Voices from the afterlife? The media isn't just the tabloids. It's TV, newspapers, social media and a multitude of other sources. The important thing is to look at everything and apply critical thinking.

It doesn't need Einstein to work out they are not the same. Charles never slept with a friend of JCs, or went to his house, or did anything other than what he does with hundreds of other celebrities... entertain them for their contribution to charities. JC was an arch manipulator as was Epstein, but they were not the same.

purpledalmation · 22/01/2023 14:06

Andrew should shut up and slink right back into the shadows.

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