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HerReputationMadeItDifficultToProceed · 14/01/2023 22:02

… and I encourage anyone who’s even vaguely interested in this story to give it a read. Especially if what’s been leaked has made you at all angry, because I think in context everything makes a lot of sense.

I wasn’t a Harry and Meghan hater before reading this, but I wasn’t a fan girl either. Like many Brits, I find a lot of Americans- especially West Coast Americans- quite irritating and Meghan firmly falls into that camp for me. I’m sure she’s nice enough, but she’s very American and very perky and much like Wednesday Addams, I don’t do perky. However, I suspect that her intentions and generally good and that like most of us she’s got good and bad qualities. She’s clearly ambitious and I think that she probably initially dated Harry based on that ambition and on getting a platform, although I think that she genuinely loves him now.

The ghost writer has done a great job at capturing Harry’s personality I think; he comes across as introspective and thoughtful but funny and bright.

I think that Harry has a good soul; I think that he’s kind and has had a hard time of it growing up. I also think he’s a bit clueless and naive and has been in a bubble, but I think he acknowledges that and wants to understand and change. Undoubtedly losing his mother at the age he was had more of an outward impact on him than it had on William. He’s also been a victim of his dad’s wishywashy parenting. It sounds like- and looks like to me from my vantage point as a normal citizen who knows bugger all except what I’ve seen in the media- that Charles has been there for his kids to an extent, but not in a hands on or especially useful way. It also seems clear that Charles has always put Camilla first. From almost the moment Diana died it seems that he wanted, above everything else, to rehabilitate Camilla’s image so that they could marry. I think that he put that above being a father and the way Harry writes about their relationship makes that clear too.

I also think that it’s suited the palace to portray Harry as dimwitted and feckless to show William in a better light and that Harry has every right to be angry about that and not want to play that game anymore (and to call it out now). Especially as it’s obvious that the palace haven’t kept up their side of the bargain and protected Harry from the media in return.

I also think that the media have treated H and M poorly and it’s clearly the case that the palace has used them and news stories about them to divert from other newsworthy problems… certainly Prince Andrew, perhaps William’s affair/s. Is Harry overly jumpy about the media and the paparazzi in particular? Yes, of course. Who wouldn’t be with his background. But they’ve also obviously been hounded and harassed.

I do think that Harry is on a journey that he isn’t at the end of yet, but I think that he realises that too. I think that he was always going to leave the royal family and that Meghan didn’t cause what’s happened, she was just the catalyst for it. I think that he’s been scapegoated and an afterthought within his nuclear family and I don’t blame him for being angry. I think that he means well and is essentially good. And I don’t think that anyone who’s read the whole book would be able to disagree.

More than anything I think it’s clear that the British Royal Family is no longer fit for purpose; the way they live, bring up their children, pay their members for work and demand unrealistic levels of protocol and formality is no longer working in the 21st century. These people need purpose and lives beyond the crown and those on the edges of the heir shouldn’t have to live their lives in service of the their. Realistically H and M could have worked as royals and had private interests, the RF chose not to bend to help them live fulfilling lives because of its own, outdated reasons.

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Mirabai · 15/01/2023 20:45

Eyerollcentral · 15/01/2023 20:43

Sorry you have lost me. Could you just say what it is you want me to answer then because I think I have quite comprehensively tbh

Do you really need me to post it again?

What particular mental illness do they think he’s suffering from?

babsanderson · 15/01/2023 20:45

And those suggesting Harry are mentally ill are also suggesting he is MAD and untrustworthy and unable to control himself. People talking about sectioning for example as if Harry is psychotic.

Eyerollcentral · 15/01/2023 20:46

Mirabai · 15/01/2023 20:43

Even more reckless for any non-professional.

How do? I have just listed symptoms? I said it would be wrong for anyone to slap a diagnosis on anyone? It’s ok to dislike my answer but you are barking up the wrong tree

Eyerollcentral · 15/01/2023 20:47

Mirabai · 15/01/2023 20:45

Do you really need me to post it again?

What particular mental illness do they think he’s suffering from?

I provided my answer to that.

bibagorkey · 15/01/2023 20:48

I read the book so I could comment in an informed manner. Maybe that should be the prerequisite for those posting here.

derxa · 15/01/2023 20:49

British culture around death is very alien to me as I am Irish and things are dealt with very differently here. I think it's also different here in Scotland.

Eyerollcentral · 15/01/2023 20:49

babsanderson · 15/01/2023 20:45

And those suggesting Harry are mentally ill are also suggesting he is MAD and untrustworthy and unable to control himself. People talking about sectioning for example as if Harry is psychotic.

Excuse me, mentally ill people aren’t MAD or untrustworthy or unable to control themselves. How dare you. YOU quite clearly have some very ignorant views on mental illness. No one has said harry is psychotic or anything like it. You should try and educate yourself before posting inaccurate and upsetting posts about things you very clearly know nothing about

Mirabai · 15/01/2023 20:57

Eyerollcentral · 15/01/2023 20:47

I provided my answer to that.

No you didn’t, you told me what you thought he was suffering from.

My question was part of the discussion of the RF and/or sources using mental illness as a slur. What mental illness do they think he’s suffering from I asked, which has never been answered.

Inkanta · 15/01/2023 20:58

Eyerollcentral · 15/01/2023 20:49

Excuse me, mentally ill people aren’t MAD or untrustworthy or unable to control themselves. How dare you. YOU quite clearly have some very ignorant views on mental illness. No one has said harry is psychotic or anything like it. You should try and educate yourself before posting inaccurate and upsetting posts about things you very clearly know nothing about

I think Babs is referring to the smear campaigne against Harry that is real and not imagined from some quarters including from 'palace experts.'

Eyerollcentral · 15/01/2023 21:03

Mirabai · 15/01/2023 20:57

No you didn’t, you told me what you thought he was suffering from.

My question was part of the discussion of the RF and/or sources using mental illness as a slur. What mental illness do they think he’s suffering from I asked, which has never been answered.

The way you write is really unclear. Do you mean you want people to explain to you what mental illness the royal family think harry has? How would anyone on here know that?

Eyerollcentral · 15/01/2023 21:06

Inkanta · 15/01/2023 20:58

I think Babs is referring to the smear campaigne against Harry that is real and not imagined from some quarters including from 'palace experts.'

Maybe Babs can answer for herself. For the last time harry has said himself he has been ill for some years.

Mirabai · 15/01/2023 21:07

Eyerollcentral · 15/01/2023 21:03

The way you write is really unclear. Do you mean you want people to explain to you what mental illness the royal family think harry has? How would anyone on here know that?

I don’t think it is unclear I think you’re just rather confused and haven’t followed the discussion.

Eyerollcentral · 15/01/2023 21:08

Mirabai · 15/01/2023 21:07

I don’t think it is unclear I think you’re just rather confused and haven’t followed the discussion.

Funny, several people thought you were asking the same thing I did 🧐

Mirabai · 15/01/2023 21:11

Eyerollcentral · 15/01/2023 21:08

Funny, several people thought you were asking the same thing I did 🧐

Nope there was one other poster who also didn’t read the question properly.

Eyerollcentral · 15/01/2023 21:13

Mirabai · 15/01/2023 21:11

Nope there was one other poster who also didn’t read the question properly.

Ok love.
Such a shame on any of these threads there is always two or three that turn up, derail the thread with assumptions and wild allegations, c’est la vie

smilesy · 15/01/2023 21:14

Mirabai · 15/01/2023 21:07

I don’t think it is unclear I think you’re just rather confused and haven’t followed the discussion.

I was following the discussion and didn’t understand either because I thought you meant “what did Eyeroll think that Harry was suffering from?” It took me a while to realise you said “they”. Probably because it is such a strange question. How would Eyeroll know what the RF are suggesting he is suffer from? 🤷‍♀️

Mirabai · 15/01/2023 21:21

smilesy · 15/01/2023 21:14

I was following the discussion and didn’t understand either because I thought you meant “what did Eyeroll think that Harry was suffering from?” It took me a while to realise you said “they”. Probably because it is such a strange question. How would Eyeroll know what the RF are suggesting he is suffer from? 🤷‍♀️

It took you a while to read the words on the page, ok.

How would any of us know - they haven’t actually specified that’s the point.

Lovemydoggiesomuch · 15/01/2023 21:23

Cannot keep up with all the posters arguing. Rude to ignore other peoples posts. Start a different thread if you want a row with each other ….yes eye roll 🙄 from me !

smilesy · 15/01/2023 21:24

Mirabai · 15/01/2023 21:21

It took you a while to read the words on the page, ok.

How would any of us know - they haven’t actually specified that’s the point.

Obviously none of us would know. But it sounded like you expected Eyeroll to tell you. That is why your posts were unclear 🙄

Eyerollcentral · 15/01/2023 21:28

Wild allegations have been made that the royal family and the media were ‘slurring’ harry as mentally ill. No one has provided one single instance where the royal family have said anything about Harry’s mental health. I think there was one post up thread quoting a piece from the NZ Herald and it turned out the source was actually Omid Scobie. So it’s a moot point anyway as well as being a bonkers question to put to anyone here

babsanderson · 15/01/2023 21:32

The Royal Family do not say anything directly. They just feed and plant stories through "sources".

Eyerollcentral · 15/01/2023 21:34

babsanderson · 15/01/2023 21:32

The Royal Family do not say anything directly. They just feed and plant stories through "sources".

No one has been able to produce one example of royal sources saying anything about harry’s mental health. No one on here has even said that they got the idea he was mentally ill from the media so it’s totally moot

Mirabai · 15/01/2023 21:45

smilesy · 15/01/2023 21:24

Obviously none of us would know. But it sounded like you expected Eyeroll to tell you. That is why your posts were unclear 🙄

I expected Eyeroll to tell me that the RF don’t specify. It was a very simple question to answer.

They don’t specify because the comments are not expressing genuine concern that he is suffering from x or y condition, simply using his mental health to undermine him.

Eg, according to H, shortly after an interview in which he said that he & W were on “different paths” & he would “always be there for him as I know he will always be there for me” - quotes from a senior aide at KP saying W was worried about his brother’s mental health.

Now if I were genuinely worried about my sister’s mental health I would ring her and ask her if she was ok; not put out statement in the media that would undermine and infuriate her.

babsanderson · 15/01/2023 21:49

@Eyerollcentral A 2 minute google shows this royal sources

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