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HerReputationMadeItDifficultToProceed · 14/01/2023 22:02

… and I encourage anyone who’s even vaguely interested in this story to give it a read. Especially if what’s been leaked has made you at all angry, because I think in context everything makes a lot of sense.

I wasn’t a Harry and Meghan hater before reading this, but I wasn’t a fan girl either. Like many Brits, I find a lot of Americans- especially West Coast Americans- quite irritating and Meghan firmly falls into that camp for me. I’m sure she’s nice enough, but she’s very American and very perky and much like Wednesday Addams, I don’t do perky. However, I suspect that her intentions and generally good and that like most of us she’s got good and bad qualities. She’s clearly ambitious and I think that she probably initially dated Harry based on that ambition and on getting a platform, although I think that she genuinely loves him now.

The ghost writer has done a great job at capturing Harry’s personality I think; he comes across as introspective and thoughtful but funny and bright.

I think that Harry has a good soul; I think that he’s kind and has had a hard time of it growing up. I also think he’s a bit clueless and naive and has been in a bubble, but I think he acknowledges that and wants to understand and change. Undoubtedly losing his mother at the age he was had more of an outward impact on him than it had on William. He’s also been a victim of his dad’s wishywashy parenting. It sounds like- and looks like to me from my vantage point as a normal citizen who knows bugger all except what I’ve seen in the media- that Charles has been there for his kids to an extent, but not in a hands on or especially useful way. It also seems clear that Charles has always put Camilla first. From almost the moment Diana died it seems that he wanted, above everything else, to rehabilitate Camilla’s image so that they could marry. I think that he put that above being a father and the way Harry writes about their relationship makes that clear too.

I also think that it’s suited the palace to portray Harry as dimwitted and feckless to show William in a better light and that Harry has every right to be angry about that and not want to play that game anymore (and to call it out now). Especially as it’s obvious that the palace haven’t kept up their side of the bargain and protected Harry from the media in return.

I also think that the media have treated H and M poorly and it’s clearly the case that the palace has used them and news stories about them to divert from other newsworthy problems… certainly Prince Andrew, perhaps William’s affair/s. Is Harry overly jumpy about the media and the paparazzi in particular? Yes, of course. Who wouldn’t be with his background. But they’ve also obviously been hounded and harassed.

I do think that Harry is on a journey that he isn’t at the end of yet, but I think that he realises that too. I think that he was always going to leave the royal family and that Meghan didn’t cause what’s happened, she was just the catalyst for it. I think that he’s been scapegoated and an afterthought within his nuclear family and I don’t blame him for being angry. I think that he means well and is essentially good. And I don’t think that anyone who’s read the whole book would be able to disagree.

More than anything I think it’s clear that the British Royal Family is no longer fit for purpose; the way they live, bring up their children, pay their members for work and demand unrealistic levels of protocol and formality is no longer working in the 21st century. These people need purpose and lives beyond the crown and those on the edges of the heir shouldn’t have to live their lives in service of the their. Realistically H and M could have worked as royals and had private interests, the RF chose not to bend to help them live fulfilling lives because of its own, outdated reasons.

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Mirabai · 15/01/2023 21:49

babsanderson · 15/01/2023 21:32

The Royal Family do not say anything directly. They just feed and plant stories through "sources".

Exactly. It’s a bit tiresome that don’t understand how the media works - this isn’t specific to the RF. Nor is it rocket science.

Coxspurplepippin · 15/01/2023 21:56

babsanderson did you actually read that article you linked to?

They found some talking head who said:
'My view is that Harry's family in London are very worried about his mental health'

How on earth is that a 'royal source'?

HeddaGarbled · 15/01/2023 22:00

The Royal Family do not say anything directly. They just feed and plant stories through "sources"

Allegedly.

Eyerollcentral · 15/01/2023 22:01

It would be really irresponsible to say we think harry has for example bi polar disorder or any other condition. The media then would be speculating about that. The only person who can diagnose mental illness is a psychiatrist. Even if there was a diagnosis it would be a complete breach of confidentiality to release that. These points are ludicrous. Harry has already said he has mental health problems. The determination of some on this thread to make this a slur to discredit harry rather than his own honest opinion reflects their own deeply offensive views on mental illness. But at least you’ve managed to disrupt a completely reasonable discussion about Harry’s book, so that’s still a win for you guys in your own minds isn’t it👍🏻

Roussette · 15/01/2023 22:05

HeddaGarbled · 15/01/2023 22:00

The Royal Family do not say anything directly. They just feed and plant stories through "sources"

Allegedly.

Course they do. Dan Wootton has said on record that 'The Royal Family and staff of the Royal Family are the ones leaking these stories to the Press'.

Can link to him if you don't believe that.

Mirabai · 15/01/2023 22:07

HeddaGarbled · 15/01/2023 22:00

The Royal Family do not say anything directly. They just feed and plant stories through "sources"

Allegedly.

Not allegedly. I’ve worked in newsrooms - we had palace communications secretaries, courtiers, Penny Junor and other approved hacks/contacts ringing us up to feed stories.

Blossomtoes · 15/01/2023 22:11

Yes allegedly. Any random could say they’ve worked in a newsroom and those calls were made. Equally Dan Wootton is hardly a reliable source of the truth.

Roussette · 15/01/2023 22:11

And here is Royal Commentator Robert Jobson saying exactly that too. There is footage of him saying this.

Natalie Barr asked Mr Jobson whether it was true that some of the royal households had been leaking about Megan and Harry.
Mr Jobson replied: "Without a doubt, I mean, yeah, absolutely, I mean, they can deny all they like until they are blue in the face nut there's been an awful lot of leaking from...particularly from Kensington Palace about how things were developing."

Mirabai · 15/01/2023 22:13

Eyerollcentral · 15/01/2023 22:01

It would be really irresponsible to say we think harry has for example bi polar disorder or any other condition. The media then would be speculating about that. The only person who can diagnose mental illness is a psychiatrist. Even if there was a diagnosis it would be a complete breach of confidentiality to release that. These points are ludicrous. Harry has already said he has mental health problems. The determination of some on this thread to make this a slur to discredit harry rather than his own honest opinion reflects their own deeply offensive views on mental illness. But at least you’ve managed to disrupt a completely reasonable discussion about Harry’s book, so that’s still a win for you guys in your own minds isn’t it👍🏻

Quite. It would be very irresponsible and a breach of confidentiality. I’m glad you can see that commenting on someone’s mental health in the media is unacceptable.

Blossomtoes · 15/01/2023 22:13

This Robert Jobson?

mobile.twitter.com/theroyaleditor/status/1612217897312460800

Roussette · 15/01/2023 22:14

Blossomtoes · 15/01/2023 22:11

Yes allegedly. Any random could say they’ve worked in a newsroom and those calls were made. Equally Dan Wootton is hardly a reliable source of the truth.

As he spends a lot of his life tweeting vile stuff about H&M, why do you think he would make this up? He is wriggling out of anyone thinking he doesn't have 'a source'.

Is Robert Jobson discounted too? He's very well known, I doubt he would make it up. There is footage of him saying this.

Ohnonevermind · 15/01/2023 22:14

We also know that Meghan and Harry were also leaking. But it seems to be okay when they do it 🤷‍♀️

Roussette · 15/01/2023 22:16

Blossomtoes · 15/01/2023 22:13

This is Kensington Palace he said was leaking stories. You can hear him saying it here.

www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1526550/Prince-William-latest-Kate-Middleton-Kensington-Palace-leaking-Duke-Sussex-Harry-Meghan-vn

HeddaGarbled · 15/01/2023 22:16

‘Kensington Palace’ and ‘The Royal Family’ are not synonymous.

Roussette · 15/01/2023 22:18

What does that mean?

Kate & William work out of Kensington Palace. He couldn't be closer to the Monarchy as Heir !

Ohnonevermind · 15/01/2023 22:19

This clearly came from Harry’s camp.

www.insider.com/gayle-king-says-prince-harry-conversations-with-family-not-productive-2021-3?amp

Mirabai · 15/01/2023 22:20

Blossomtoes · 15/01/2023 22:11

Yes allegedly. Any random could say they’ve worked in a newsroom and those calls were made. Equally Dan Wootton is hardly a reliable source of the truth.

Ask anyone who currently works in newsrooms if you don’t believe me.

As to Dan Wootton he’s a complete arsehole but he was showbiz editor of the Sun - are you really suggesting he doesn’t know who his own sources are?

Eyerollcentral · 15/01/2023 22:22

Ohnonevermind · 15/01/2023 22:14

We also know that Meghan and Harry were also leaking. But it seems to be okay when they do it 🤷‍♀️

Yep. Ok for harry to say William needs therapy too apparently

Coucous · 15/01/2023 22:22

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Roussette · 15/01/2023 22:22

Mirabai · 15/01/2023 22:20

Ask anyone who currently works in newsrooms if you don’t believe me.

As to Dan Wootton he’s a complete arsehole but he was showbiz editor of the Sun - are you really suggesting he doesn’t know who his own sources are?

It's just such a ridiculous thing for him to make up.

I worked in a News Room back in the day long long time ago

RegainingTheWill2023 · 15/01/2023 22:22

I honestly thought everyone was aware that some information comes to the press via palace sources.
But I also think that the degree of reputability of the sources varies! And I'd have no trouble believing that papers publish stories which are attributed to 'sources' without that being the case

HeddaGarbled · 15/01/2023 22:22

There are a lot of people who work at Kensington Palace & other royal workplaces. The allegations are that the leaks come from, or are sanctioned by William, Camilla etc, but these are allegations only. I don’t like the way everyone keeps stating these allegations as if they are facts.

Mirabai · 15/01/2023 22:25

Roussette · 15/01/2023 22:22

It's just such a ridiculous thing for him to make up.

I worked in a News Room back in the day long long time ago

I wonder if we’ve met.

Roussette · 15/01/2023 22:25

HeddaGarbled · 15/01/2023 22:22

There are a lot of people who work at Kensington Palace & other royal workplaces. The allegations are that the leaks come from, or are sanctioned by William, Camilla etc, but these are allegations only. I don’t like the way everyone keeps stating these allegations as if they are facts.

If it comes out of Kensington Palace it is the office of W&K. Now... if they have aides going rogue and making stuff up, they need to sort their staff out.

Ohnonevermind · 15/01/2023 22:26

I’ve also heard the bullied staff might have let a few things slip about Harry and Meghan.

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