She changed the whole look or Givenchy hate her?

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I think she changed the lot just before the wedding.
Anyone know the lead time for Givenchy bridal wear?
Facts as I see them.

1. Her evening Sella mccartney dress looked stunning and fitted well.

1. 4 days before the wedding a local tailor Aja had to refit all the daytime bridesmaids dresses. Where was Givenchy?
2. on the day the dresses look ok but not fabulous
3. on the day her day dress was not fitted correctly. i am not sure you could fit it with that darting position and a boat neck.
4. Her veil was fabulous but didn’t match the dress and tiara.

This is no disrespect to Aja there is only so much you can do to refit a dress esp if there is no allowance for darts or seams and the cut is all wrong.

so A B or C?
A
She changed the complete look tiara and all and only kept the veil right up until the last minute.
B She kept chopping and changing or couldn’t make a decision right up to the last minute.
C
Givenchy hated her and sent sub par dresses even though the whole world would be looking?
I think there was no time for Givenchy to get the bridesmaids dresses fitted.
most likely there had been too many design changes before hand.

I can also imagine that all this was happening alongside the very public debacle with her father which must have been awful.
Dealing with that and then a bridesmaid dress crisis and I can imagine sitting on the floor crying.

This first hand witness account gives a lot of detail.

There's no proof it's first hand and nothing shared by Sadie Quinlan/Yankee Wally has an iota of credibility. She's a notorious troll with a proven criminal record.

Givenchy hated her and sent sub par dresses even though the whole world would be looking?

Yes of course. A fashion house as famous and reputable as Givenchy would deliberately send shoddy goods. Don't be daft.

I can’t see this quote in the article you linked it but I noticed this in the Sky News article.

Ajay said: "The issue was the sizing, but I don't know anything prior to that. Givenchy is a fantastic brand, and I can't say anything about what had happened before. We were just brought in to try to fix a challenge, and that's what we did."

Was the hem straight on the child though? When I was taught to hem properly, it was always with the person wearing the dress and then you measured up from the floor so it was level on them. Say a child had a bit of a tummy for example, you'd need more fabric hanging at the front centre to make the hem look level on. As soon as it's off, it'll look uneven.

Oh!! That's so clever and why I am not a sewist.

No, the same issue is evident on Charlotte too, but people were attributing it to a moving child standing strangely, standing on steps, gust of wind etc. Hence tracking down a photo of it on a dummy.

Unless Charlotte has Kim Kardashian's right arsecheek and we haven't noticed this is definitely more than trying to get the hem level for the wearer

No it wasn’t.

I think that looks taken in on the lower back above the belt with the skirt section not matched, and another pleat has been added to compensate for the inches lost taking it in.

everything on the right after the pleat looks excess.

Probably without her there to do the hem they have undone the top, taken it in, added pleats to compensate and been unable to do the hem properly without the child in the dress.

why didn’t Kate take her along, that’s the question because it seems like the hem at least was salvageable. The sleeves, I have to say I am not good on sleeves but they could presumably have been made tighter so maybe that was the design?

Kate DID take her. This is what it looked like AFTER alterations.

As if they would start making alterations to the dress without having Charlotte on, then pinning etc

Sorry missed a bit. But even if she wasn't playing ball with umpteen fittings (no evidence to suggest that), even hanging it on a basic dummy would get a better hem than that.

Exactly, saying anything possible to say that it wasn’t the fit. Then a poster saying photos were altered. Crazy

I don't know why anyone would say the shoulders didn't fit. The fit on the shoulders was impeccable. Even when she lifted her arm the shoulder stayed put

But that’s what top fashion house Givenchy did. It was entirely from measurements.

Did Ajay actually get to fit this on Charlotte?He hasn’t said so implicitly and there is rumour it was fitted on another child.

Even with a dummy or a different child it shouldn't have been that uneven and lopsided. It's not off by a small amount, it is massively out

Yes Givenchy apparently made from measurements, but that still wouldn't cause a hem which is THAT wonky on a completely symmetrical dummy

For an optimum hem, you'd have the dress on the actual wearer, all other elements fitting perfectly already.

In that case, you'd expect the hem to be totally level when worn, but it might look slightly uneven on a dummy where the dummy's shape doesn't match the human. These differences are usually relatively small though especially in a young child. Charlotte's hem wasn't even when worn.

On a dummy the unevenness in the hem is really significant and very lopsided, especially at the back. So the only way that would be correct would be if the wearer had a very large arse on one side so needed extra fabric to go over it. No evidence of Charlotte having a giant right buttock, and given it's uneven on her whilst wearing then the wonky hem clearly wasn't to fit her body shape.

If, and it's a big if, Charlotte wasn't available for fitting then they could have used another kid to get the hem level. But then if we assume this was correctly fitted to that kid then they must have had the giant buttock, and surely if you were using a model instead of the wearer you would not use one who required an extra 2" of length to go over their right arse cheek?

Or you use a dummy, which would be totaly symmetrical. This might result in slight unevenness (e.g. if the child had a fuller stomach) but wouldn't be dramatic and would be level on a dummy. But it's not even close to level on a dummy.

Even doing it completely flat (rather than hanging) should have given a better result than this. I think this would be apparent even on a coathanger.

I honestly don't know how they managed to get it so wrong. I've had hems which have been that uneven after pre-hem hanging (circle skirts in heavy wool with bad bias stretch for example) but it's very obvious in that case.

@Curledupwithagoodbook I literally said I was taking it with a pinch of salt. Could easily be fiction but equally had a lot of detail that made it sound realistic. Not gullible. Agnostic. Not going to pretend to what happened. Clearly something did for M&H to keep going on about it.

It’s interesting that Kate didn’t say ‘Charlotte’s dress has to be remade’, but (assuming the gist of the texts is accurate) ALL the dresses needed to be remade

Which sounds as if there had been a general consternation amongst the bridesmaids’ mothers and Kate got the job of spokeswoman…

@Mumsnut

well we know form the tailor all six dresses had to be altered so you are probably correct

But making 6 dresses 4 days before a wedding is probably not realistic.

As long as they were happy to have them machine stitched it would have probably taken less time than the alterations

I think this too and I also think Kate may be relating the views of her own seamstress or whoever dresses her, as in L seamstress says there’s little can be done with them as is and that it’s best to completely remake”. We don’t know though because Harold has cherry picked the bits that make Kate look the villain.

This in spades. People are saying about her crying on the floor being ridiculous, but when you’re faced with what your father did and no family now coming to your wedding, of course anything will tip you over the edge like this.