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She changed the whole look or Givenchy hate her?

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pedigreechump1 · 11/01/2023 02:07

I think she changed the lot just before the wedding.
Anyone know the lead time for Givenchy bridal wear?
Facts as I see them.

  1. Her evening Sella mccartney dress looked stunning and fitted well.
  1. 4 days before the wedding a local tailor Aja had to refit all the daytime bridesmaids dresses. Where was Givenchy?
  2. on the day the dresses look ok but not fabulous
  3. on the day her day dress was not fitted correctly. i am not sure you could fit it with that darting position and a boat neck.
  4. Her veil was fabulous but didn’t match the dress and tiara.

This is no disrespect to Aja there is only so much you can do to refit a dress esp if there is no allowance for darts or seams and the cut is all wrong.

so A B or C?
A
She changed the complete look tiara and all and only kept the veil right up until the last minute.
B She kept chopping and changing or couldn’t make a decision right up to the last minute.
C
Givenchy hated her and sent sub par dresses even though the whole world would be looking?
I think there was no time for Givenchy to get the bridesmaids dresses fitted.
most likely there had been too many design changes before hand.

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StatisticallyChallenged · 11/01/2023 19:32

TravelWeDo · 11/01/2023 19:21

This in spades. People are saying about her crying on the floor being ridiculous, but when you’re faced with what your father did and no family now coming to your wedding, of course anything will tip you over the edge like this.

Agreed, but you would normally also reflect and realise that you weren't really crying over the dresses

We've all cried over minor things when something bigger is going on, but most of us recognise it later

Serenster · 11/01/2023 19:37

Reading this story I have been pondering the nature of perfectionists I know who really struggle to delegate things because they fundamentally believe they would do a better job themselves. I wonder if Meghan’s wedding was a bit like this - she had her own very clear ideas about how she wanted things (not unusual) and was determined that she’d run it all herself to ensure everything was just so. But she then got overwhelmed with how much there was to do, and the surrounding stress that spun off it, and ended up just unable to deal with some of it.

Because, honestly, it shouldn’t have been Meghan who was organising the tailor, the fittings, what the bridesmaids were doing. But she obviously was, because Kate had to text her about the problem with the dresses and then nothing happened for a day because Meghan didn’t get back to her.

Orangefir · 11/01/2023 19:45

Good point @Serenster

Wasnt there a rumour ( and yes I get it’s just a rumour) that she insisted to the palace chef when sampling canapés for the wedding reception, that she could taste egg. She was told no egg was included but she insisted she could taste it ……to the chef that prepared the food!!

Also, the engagement ring was changed within a year to a design she picked. That we do know happened.

I think she struggles to adjust her expectations. Which says a lot about the whole situation really, not just the wedding.

StatisticallyChallenged · 11/01/2023 19:47

Serenster · 11/01/2023 19:37

Reading this story I have been pondering the nature of perfectionists I know who really struggle to delegate things because they fundamentally believe they would do a better job themselves. I wonder if Meghan’s wedding was a bit like this - she had her own very clear ideas about how she wanted things (not unusual) and was determined that she’d run it all herself to ensure everything was just so. But she then got overwhelmed with how much there was to do, and the surrounding stress that spun off it, and ended up just unable to deal with some of it.

Because, honestly, it shouldn’t have been Meghan who was organising the tailor, the fittings, what the bridesmaids were doing. But she obviously was, because Kate had to text her about the problem with the dresses and then nothing happened for a day because Meghan didn’t get back to her.

This is actually the really surprising bit. At this level of wedding I'd have expected a wedding planner to basically deal with this situation. At most involving M to present a couple of solutions which had already been worked out so she could decide.

Mumsnut · 11/01/2023 19:51

Maybe she sacked the wedding g planner …

StatisticallyChallenged · 11/01/2023 20:22

Mumsnut · 11/01/2023 19:51

Maybe she sacked the wedding g planner …

Not an insane suggestion, tbh

pocketvenuss · 11/01/2023 21:02

Orangefir · 11/01/2023 19:45

Good point @Serenster

Wasnt there a rumour ( and yes I get it’s just a rumour) that she insisted to the palace chef when sampling canapés for the wedding reception, that she could taste egg. She was told no egg was included but she insisted she could taste it ……to the chef that prepared the food!!

Also, the engagement ring was changed within a year to a design she picked. That we do know happened.

I think she struggles to adjust her expectations. Which says a lot about the whole situation really, not just the wedding.

The ring design was an upgrade HARRY designed so it would match the eternity ring he got her on their anniversary. But of course SOME people had to make up stories that she changed it because she was somehow dissatisfied

Serenster · 11/01/2023 21:48

Astonishing coincidence that Harry and her first husband had such similar taste then!

Both of them gave her a slim pave-set eternity ring, but in Trevor’s case that matched the band of the engagement ring she already had. Harry however “thoughtfully” changed the band of the engagement ring he had already designed for her to match the later eternity ring.

miri1985 · 11/01/2023 22:03

Just had a look at Finding Freedom, the Omid Scobie book that it emerged in the DM trial that Harry and Meghan had collaborated with and theres a completely different story, apparently Clare Waight Keller and 2 Givenchy assistants were doing the bridesmaids fittings.

We know from Ajay the tailor corroborating the story in Spare that he was the one doing the fitting not Givenchy. Seems like disinformation to me from Scobie (and I suppose the Sussexes given their collaboration) unless Givenchy did fittings and it still had to be redone by a 3rd party

She changed the whole look or Givenchy hate her?
Coronateachingagain · 11/01/2023 22:09

Orangefir · 11/01/2023 19:45

Good point @Serenster

Wasnt there a rumour ( and yes I get it’s just a rumour) that she insisted to the palace chef when sampling canapés for the wedding reception, that she could taste egg. She was told no egg was included but she insisted she could taste it ……to the chef that prepared the food!!

Also, the engagement ring was changed within a year to a design she picked. That we do know happened.

I think she struggles to adjust her expectations. Which says a lot about the whole situation really, not just the wedding.

Was that when the Queen called her aside and told her "we don't talk to people like that here?"

PinkTonic · 11/01/2023 22:29

BradfordGirl · 11/01/2023 13:21

@smilesy The Royal Family have a fortune. I understand those hired might have run out of time. I do not understand why more people were not drafted in to help if that was required.
Its not like you and me trying to find a last minute seamstress. They could have literally flown people over from another country if needed.

Why do you think Givenchy didn’t do literally whatever it took to deliver perfect dresses on the day? Why do you think a couture house would deliver incorrectly fitting dresses four days before a royal wedding and leave the bride to sort out a cobbled fix by some random local tailor?

StatisticallyChallenged · 11/01/2023 22:38

It honestly makes no sense at all from that perspective, it's just plain weird.

SpookyBlackCat · 11/01/2023 22:43

PinkTonic · 11/01/2023 22:29

Why do you think Givenchy didn’t do literally whatever it took to deliver perfect dresses on the day? Why do you think a couture house would deliver incorrectly fitting dresses four days before a royal wedding and leave the bride to sort out a cobbled fix by some random local tailor?

Because this is what Ajay has gone public saying what happened and what the texts confirmed.

Givenchy did the fitting of the dresses but when they arrived 4 days before the wedding, they didn’t fit at all so someone arranged for Ajay and his team to work flat out for days before the wedding to fix them.

StatisticallyChallenged · 11/01/2023 22:57

Just re-reading the DM article and they say something like "it seems they were made only from measurements" - is that confirmed elsewhere? Or have they misinterpreted?

Shelefttheweb · 11/01/2023 23:10

Why have the six very young girls at the fitting together? Patience is low in this group and working through the group would take time meaning they would become fractious, especially the younger ones. If there were two fitters then two at a time would be much more appropriate.

PinkTonic · 11/01/2023 23:14

SpookyBlackCat · 11/01/2023 22:43

Because this is what Ajay has gone public saying what happened and what the texts confirmed.

Givenchy did the fitting of the dresses but when they arrived 4 days before the wedding, they didn’t fit at all so someone arranged for Ajay and his team to work flat out for days before the wedding to fix them.

Yes I know this is what happened. I was asking BradfordGirl specifically to conjecture on how such a situation could have arisen.

SpookyBlackCat · 12/01/2023 00:02

StatisticallyChallenged · 11/01/2023 22:57

Just re-reading the DM article and they say something like "it seems they were made only from measurements" - is that confirmed elsewhere? Or have they misinterpreted?

The book says mid-May fitting and the wedding was May 19th, so that would seem like the dresses were already made and were just being fitted at that time, so it's possible that they were just made from measurements and fitted just before the wedding. No one outside their circle knows what happened, but Ajay has said all the dresses need fixing and that the person who made the mistake paid for the alterations and it cost for our five figures, so maybe around 10,000 pounds to fix!

Shelefttheweb · 12/01/2023 00:33

Five figures goes up to £99,000. I doubt it cost that much but if they charged £100 per hour (they were skilled, last minute, and in London so could be more), 4 of them working ten hours a day for four days would be £16,000.

pedigreechump1 · 12/01/2023 00:42

So lets have a look at this " Princess Charlotte Is an Adorable Bridesmaid in Her Aunt Pippa's Wedding."
www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/news/a8882/princess-charlotte-flower-girl/

She changed the whole look or Givenchy hate her?
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pedigreechump1 · 12/01/2023 00:48

I love this dress. Really romantic and super cute. the bodice has smocking on the front. The puff sleeves are not too tight and finished with a pink ribbon and some tiny pearls. The collar has a ruffle and then pink above. The skirt is gathered not pleated. Pink pleated waist band and bow at the back. It looks like some kind of cotton lace petticoat or bloomers underneath. And the hem line is above the knee.

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pedigreechump1 · 12/01/2023 00:49

Also it looks like it might have a button back.

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StatisticallyChallenged · 12/01/2023 08:39

That's very cute

Eugenie went for a less traditional style, and a slightly relaxed fit

She changed the whole look or Givenchy hate her?
StatisticallyChallenged · 12/01/2023 08:41

pedigreechump1 · 12/01/2023 00:49

Also it looks like it might have a button back.

Buttons and a big bow

She changed the whole look or Givenchy hate her?
sydneysunset · 12/01/2023 08:42

Yes, that dress is adorable!

Serenster · 12/01/2023 08:55

The person who made the mistake paid for the alterations

An interesting suggestion that there was a single mistake at the heart of this. I do wonder if it was along the lines of centimetres being read as inches, because it’s hard to see how all the dresses would have needed to be remade if not.

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