She changed the whole look or Givenchy hate her?

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I think she changed the lot just before the wedding.
Anyone know the lead time for Givenchy bridal wear?
Facts as I see them.

1. Her evening Sella mccartney dress looked stunning and fitted well.

1. 4 days before the wedding a local tailor Aja had to refit all the daytime bridesmaids dresses. Where was Givenchy?
2. on the day the dresses look ok but not fabulous
3. on the day her day dress was not fitted correctly. i am not sure you could fit it with that darting position and a boat neck.
4. Her veil was fabulous but didn’t match the dress and tiara.

This is no disrespect to Aja there is only so much you can do to refit a dress esp if there is no allowance for darts or seams and the cut is all wrong.

so A B or C?
A
She changed the complete look tiara and all and only kept the veil right up until the last minute.
B She kept chopping and changing or couldn’t make a decision right up to the last minute.
C
Givenchy hated her and sent sub par dresses even though the whole world would be looking?
I think there was no time for Givenchy to get the bridesmaids dresses fitted.
most likely there had been too many design changes before hand.

I am not insisting anything. I simply do not understand how seamstresses working for 4 days and nights can not get a hemline straight.

I have made dresses myself, I am older, we all used to be taught these skills in the past. And getting a hem straight is as basic as it gets.

Charlotte’s dress. Front view

That is why I was confused as the photo from the Royal Collection website does not look like that photo at all.

It’s a different venue. Different palaces. They’ve tucked behind the dropped hemline in the fold of the pleat to disguise it at Holyrood. This wasn’t done at KP

I'd never seen them before but her wedding photos are beautiful. She was a very radiant bride.

But how is it possible for expert seamstresses to leave a dress like that if they really did? I don't understand.

@ancientgran That is a batshit thread claiming that a common style of wedding dress was somehow only invented then. The bride then obviously designed the details, but the overall style has been around for a long time.

I'm old and we weren't all taught these skills. My sewing leaves alot to be desired but it just wasn't something considered important at my girls' grammar school.

Because they were told to go along to a local tailor to alter couture gowns, instead of getting the dresses remade by the Givenchy seamstresses

What are you suggesting happened then? Sabotage? The hemline is clearly on the wonk. No amount of you not understanding how it happened changes that fact. Maybe it is because the dresses needed remaking and no matter how skilled the tailors were, they were unable to completely undo the original cock yo on the time they had

I wasn't saying anything about the style of the dress. I was commenting on what a beautiful radiant bride she was. I never even mentioned the dress.

@ancientgran You linked a batshit thread.

I’m guessing you don’t sew? Normally the hem is very last thing you will do, because you want to do it once the dress is finished, and ideally being worn (or using a dummy) so you take account of how it falls when the fabric is hanging. A full skirt hem like that, with petticoats, will actually measure many metres if laid flat. A couture hem should be hand- finished. They take ages to get right.

I am assuming that the hemming had to be done in a massive hurry because all the other alterations (carefully unpicking the dresses and then essentially re-sewing them) took so long. It genuinely would have been faster to get new fabric, cut the pattern and make an entirely new dress.

Agree@Serenster

One thing I wondered - does that tailor usually work on small kids clothes? Trying to hem something of that shape flat (rather than pinning on the wearer or a dummy) could cause it to go seriously wonky wonkey.

I didn't link anything, I quoted another poster who had linked to something. All I did was look at some photos.

I really think people are getting a bit ridiculous. If you can't even say a bride looks beautiful without false accusations I think things have gone too far.

@smilesy I am sure I could have made a better job of the hem. I have made pleated skirts and have worked with pleats and folds. Making the level of details in couture gowns takes real experts. Getting a straight hem is something anyone properly trained should be able to do. I mean it does not even look slightly off, but off by inches.
Any decent fashion school teaches students to work with pleats and folds in different materials to create a straight hem.

@Serenster I do sew. I am trained. I still do not understand it.

Maybe you could, but you were saying you couldn’t understand how it happened. I don't know how it happen either. But it did. You were implying that it didn’t

@smilesy I was just so aghast as to wonder at first if it was real.
If it had been my wedding I would have sat up over night and made the alterations myself. Getting it totally perfect in a dress with folds is not easy. But making it inches out is a dreadful job and would lead to a fail in any training courses I know about. So a millimetre out in a rushed job fine. But not so out as that.

I think that’s why Kate said it needed to be completely remade. It would be easier and quicker to completely remake them.

I still can’t comprehend how it ended up like this though. Someone messed up big time in the design/prep stage.

So are you now accepting that the hemline was a mess and that the photos of it both on the day and when the dress was on display at KP are in fact correct? Or are you still thinking that MNers (or the media or someone else) has deliberately photo shopped all those pictures for some cunningly evil bridesmaid dress plot against Meghan?

Can you now accept and understand why Catherine was indeed right to be upset/dismayed/worried about the state of her daughter's dress 4 days prior to the wedding?

I’m sure you would. I suppose the problem her is that there was a small amount time to do a lot of work on the dresses and as pp have said, the hems would have been the last thing to be finished. Don’t forget, the tailors were being paid for a job of work, not a labour of love. They were probably unhappy with the outcome, but if they ran out of time then so be it unfortunately.

^ yup and why alterations don’t cut it when the sizing of the gowns are completely wrong. They do in fact need to be remade. So the advice to remake them was correct.