She changed the whole look or Givenchy hate her?

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I think she changed the lot just before the wedding.
Anyone know the lead time for Givenchy bridal wear?
Facts as I see them.

1. Her evening Sella mccartney dress looked stunning and fitted well.

1. 4 days before the wedding a local tailor Aja had to refit all the daytime bridesmaids dresses. Where was Givenchy?
2. on the day the dresses look ok but not fabulous
3. on the day her day dress was not fitted correctly. i am not sure you could fit it with that darting position and a boat neck.
4. Her veil was fabulous but didn’t match the dress and tiara.

This is no disrespect to Aja there is only so much you can do to refit a dress esp if there is no allowance for darts or seams and the cut is all wrong.

so A B or C?
A
She changed the complete look tiara and all and only kept the veil right up until the last minute.
B She kept chopping and changing or couldn’t make a decision right up to the last minute.
C
Givenchy hated her and sent sub par dresses even though the whole world would be looking?
I think there was no time for Givenchy to get the bridesmaids dresses fitted.
most likely there had been too many design changes before hand.

@smilesy The Royal Family have a fortune. I understand those hired might have run out of time. I do not understand why more people were not drafted in to help if that was required.
Its not like you and me trying to find a last minute seamstress. They could have literally flown people over from another country if needed.

@BradfordGirl considering the tailor himself has confirmed how badly made and fitting the dresses were and the photos show that they were the best that could be done of a bad job in the time, it blows out of the water your claims that Catherine was lying or making a mountain out of a molehill and deliberately being mean to Meghan doesn't it?

Because Meghan told Kate to go along to the tailor and said she didn’t know what else to tell her. That the tailor was waiting at the palace.

Youre going round in circles trying to find a pro Meghan narrative in all this.

-Kate was right
-a tailor doesn’t cut it
-it was meghan who told Kate to go to the tailor

Kate gave out the only advice that would work. Meghan should have listened but I think we can all understand that she was upset with her father issues etc

Sleep deprivation?

I have to admit, I don't actually see how this was Meghans fault here. Kate said the dresses needed fixing, Meghan said I have a tailor, if you take them, they will see what they can do.

The whole thing depends entirely on what was said which no one will ever know. For example, did Kate say "these dresses are shit they need remaking, my own dress designer agrees" or did she say "there's a real problem here, the dresses can't really be fixed, my designer agrees and can help if you need her?"

If Kate couldn't take Charlotte to KP for a new fitting, then surely a seamstress could have been dispatched to wherever Kate was? That's the level of service you pay for with haute couture. Especially Haute Couture..

Meghan wouldn't have known what was wrong with the dresses - basically Givenchy let them down by sewing such poor dresses with such a bad fit. It sounds to me like it was Givenchy who should be giving the apologies to everyone involved.

Agree. The hem is often finished in a fitting whilst being worn, and with 4 days and the accounts of Charlotte being upset at the first fitting so not having any more, would explain this.

she had no final fitting.

The poster was saying- how could this happen? How could the hem be so bad?

I was saying because they went to a tailor. There’s only so much alterations that could be made. It needed to be remade.

Kate said this. Meghan didn’t know what to tell her and restated to go the the tailors. The tailors were waiting.

Its the chain of events that caused this. You can’t rework 6 dresses with a tailor days before a wedding. Meghan didn’t take the advice to get them remade. That’s her choice. She’s the bride, it’s her choices that come first

But the hemline was more likely to be the tailors fault the givenchy’s.

Yea they do. And a wealth of knowledge of fittings and procedures and how to’s and do’s and don’ts on a world stage.

meghan without being rude, doesn’t have all that, she was in a tv show and probably had off the hanger stuff before, maybe she couldn’t even see what was even wrong with a lot of it.

so when Kate said - they need to be remade - maybe she said that with the knowledge that there was no real fixing what was broken here in just 4 days. She’s done a royal wedding herself… she’s scrutinised on everything she wears and probably has more experience working with designers than someone new to the fold. By the end she probably thought fuck this I’ve tried, she’s not listening.

i imagine if they had got along better, they could have had a “it’s not gonna work hun, you gotta start again” type of convo. Not possible when they hate each other.

Then don’t send couture gowns down to the local tailor for major alterations

Have new ones made by the couturier

Well yes. But in terms of Harry’s book what should have been said about the whole episode is “Givenchy sent bridesmaids gowns that didn’t fit four days before the wedding, and no seamstress to fix them. It caused a lot of stress all round”

Correct. But then that would have been reasonable. I don’t think he has the capability

And it seems that Meghan didn’t want to blame Givenchy for the stress this caused her (she obviously was heavily invested in them as her wedding dress designer and designer of choice for future formal wear) and she presumably couldn’t blame the tailor and his team who were doing their best in a pressured situation, so she appears to have blamed the messenger who brought the problem up and wanted to resolve it. (Harry admits Meghan sat on Kate’s initial message for a day, which would not have helped given how close they were to the wedding. I suspect that’s because Meghan didn’t have the headspace to deal with the problem. And I genuinely don’t see why she hadn’t delegated that to someone?).

The other thing I really want to know if why Givenchy delivered the dresses and then washed their hands of them, and it’s the responsibility of the bride and a local tailor to fit them. That sounds like something must have gone on behind the scenes?

To be fair Ajay Mirpuri is hardly just a local tailor. He seems pretty well qualified and has worked with a lot of famous people. He felt the dresses looked good on the day. I think they are just a weird design. Givechy definitely fucked up the sizes and that must have been stressful for everyone. The text exchange is petty but a lot in the book is petty. It must be frustrating having so much written about you in the press but you can't say anything. It just all seems a storm in a tea cup to me.

He felt the dresses looked good on the day.

That sounds like he is trying to be diplomatic and because he had put a lot of work in to fix them. But if he genuinely thought they were good then I wouldn’t want him as my tailor.

I loved the concept of Meghan's wedding dress. Very simple Audrey Hepburnesque and I can understand why she went to Givenchy for this look, but they didn't produce the goods the goods and let her down.

The fit was just not perfect and for a dress as simple as that to shine the fit needs to be perfect and flawless.

Kate's dress wasn't so much my cup of tea, I'm not that keen on lace, but the cut and fitting of the dress was just exquisite. Perfect McQueen.

However Meghan in the evening shone like a super star in the Stella dress. Everything just came together perfectly for that. Her hair, jewellery, and the modern look of the dress in the old car. It was all gorgeous.

Bridesmaids: it does sound as if Kate felt Meghan wasn't kind towards Charlotte which may account for Kate's snippiness and also why Charlotte cried. A 3 year old crying just because a dress didn't fit doesn't make sense.

Would it have been possible to remake all the dresses in just a few days?

Not with the number of staff they had.

Then what was Meghan supposed to do? I can see why Kate's message would have stressed her out if it wasn't actually possible to remake them.

@MalagaNights I much preferred Meghan's wedding dress to her evening dress.

A 3 year old crying because she's being told to wear a dress she doesn't like makes perfect sense. She won't be able to identify and articulate it's the fit she doesn't like, but she'll know she doesn't like it.

Yes, they could have been remade again, if you look through the thread you’ll find that starting again would have been quicker. Hence the advice given by Sarah Burton. It still would have been tight but could have been done. The decision to do that was not taken.

See your back @BradfordGirl

to add more wisdom no doubt

To be honest, a lot of the time M wore clothes that didn’t fit well. I don’t think she’s got much of an eye for more tailored clothes. Her strong suit is the casual look.