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Harry admits to bullying?

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ConsistentlyClumsy · 10/01/2023 15:59

I actually really like Will, Kate and Meghan. I am not a massive fan of Harry though. However, this part of Spare makes me feel pretty uneasy. I had not made up my mind on whether I believed the bullying allegations, but I think this proves them true (at least to me.)

Obviously, this is Harry's version of events, and naturally there is two other sides here (the staff + William's side.)

Harry admits to bullying?
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Gilmorehill · 10/01/2023 20:43

spanieleyes · 10/01/2023 20:09

The pendulum seems to have swung from "The Royal family are bullies because they haven't protected Harry and Meghan" to " The Royal family are bullies because they protected Harry and Meghan"

I have a lot of sympathy with employees who suffered because family members were protected. I don’t think was just H and M. Andrew I can completely imagine throwing his weight around.

Suzi89 · 10/01/2023 20:44

Oh and by the way this is the only thing he ADMITS to. This is probably just the tip of the iceberg. The fact these clowns 🤡 have the nerve to whine about their mental health whilst creating a horrible environment for their staff. Nasty.

soundsofthesixties · 10/01/2023 21:07

One good reason for not taking drugs, he seems to be completely paranoid.

Blossomtoes · 10/01/2023 21:07

Mirabai · 10/01/2023 20:33

That’s exactly what they are. One palace staffer with no hard media experience and a press officer from the Treasury. But hey Cohen lasted longer with the Sussexes than she did at number 10 where she lasted all of 5 months.

Melissa Toubati was RW’s nanny and she resigned when it was discovered she had no qualifications for the PA role. The role she went on to was.. as a nanny.

The only one who had the chops for the job was Sara Latham.

Not quite true, is it?

Cohen worked in Palace press offices for 17 years before she was assigned to the Sussexes. She went straight on to be Chief Executive of the Commonwealth Enterprise and Investment Council when she was bullied out.

Meanwhile

Prior to this Amy spent just under 5 years working in The Royal Bank of Scotland, running the bank’s central media campaigns team, a role which included a secondment of 9 months to Ogilvy & Mather’s international Head Quarters in New York.
Amy started her career in HM Treasury, during the global financial crisis, where she worked as a ministerial spokesperson under both the Labour and then, Coalition Government. Her experience in government included responsibility for leading media operations for two summits of G20 Finance Ministers and Central Bank Governors in 2009.

I honestly have no idea why people lie so much on MN when the facts are so easily checked.

ArmyofMunn · 10/01/2023 21:25

thebellagio · 10/01/2023 17:05

So far, his own words seem to have literally confirmed every single bit of bad press the two of them have had over the past 5 years....

This made me laugh!! It does seem to be the case.

Ticketyboots · 10/01/2023 21:34

Blossomtoes · 10/01/2023 21:07

Not quite true, is it?

Cohen worked in Palace press offices for 17 years before she was assigned to the Sussexes. She went straight on to be Chief Executive of the Commonwealth Enterprise and Investment Council when she was bullied out.

Meanwhile

Prior to this Amy spent just under 5 years working in The Royal Bank of Scotland, running the bank’s central media campaigns team, a role which included a secondment of 9 months to Ogilvy & Mather’s international Head Quarters in New York.
Amy started her career in HM Treasury, during the global financial crisis, where she worked as a ministerial spokesperson under both the Labour and then, Coalition Government. Her experience in government included responsibility for leading media operations for two summits of G20 Finance Ministers and Central Bank Governors in 2009.

I honestly have no idea why people lie so much on MN when the facts are so easily checked.

I honestly have no idea why people lie so much on MN when the facts are so easily checked.

Because they have the same values and MO as their Narc hero’s H&M, Trump, BoJo - lying is just what they do.

bigbabycooker · 10/01/2023 21:35

People keep saying why didn't they release the bullying report.

The lawyers will have told them not to. Frankly, it's likely to report that H&M were massive bullies (given Valentine Low's account and the lack of litigation there) and that the Palace, their employer, failed to protect them. So their employer breached a duty of care to their employees. It's not a great plan to release a report that acknowledges that many of your employees have a very good legal claim against you, quite apart from the fact that it probably would also have painted other royals as bullies (Andrew) or weak (will, Kate, Charles probably didn't do nearly enough, despite their sympathies for the employees in question).

There's also key civil servants like Simon case who would be painted as ineffective.

So failure to release report doesn't mean no bullying.

ComfortablyDazed · 10/01/2023 21:36

I honestly have no idea why people lie so much on MN when the facts are so easily checked.

People honestly believe that if they say shit with enough conviction, people won’t question them. It’s surreal.

Blossomtoes · 10/01/2023 21:38

ComfortablyDazed · 10/01/2023 21:36

I honestly have no idea why people lie so much on MN when the facts are so easily checked.

People honestly believe that if they say shit with enough conviction, people won’t question them. It’s surreal.

I guess you’re right. It’s bloody ludicrous though when we’re all sitting a click away from Google.

KnavesOut · 10/01/2023 21:39

WolfFoxHare · 10/01/2023 17:49

I have to admit, I’m not a fan of Harry but the reviews of his book have made me think that he’s incredibly damaged by his mother’s death, and that his latching on to Meghan as his lodestone, and their subsequent attempts to control the press narrative are all because of the way her death has damaged him. He seems to be completely obsessed with the press, especially with protecting Meghan from press intrusion, and therefore be reacting to stimuli in ways that his family were unable to understand or accommodate. It’s like he and the rest of the
family have been speaking in different languages, mutually incomprehensible, because to William and Charles etc, receiving bad press and conversely briefing the press are just part of the job/role - a necessary evil - but to Harry, the press is the Big Bad. He doesn’t understand how they can work with
the press, they don’t understand what the big deal is and thought Meghan and he should suck it up like all the other royals do.

I think you’re right.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 10/01/2023 21:44

LadyVictoriaSponge · 10/01/2023 19:24

I am getting really fed up that his nasty, bullying, obnoxious aggressive behaviour is being excused because of the death of his mother, Diana dying does not give him a free pass.

I agree. Honestly it's getting old now, William also lost his mother.

ShesNotTheMessiah · 10/01/2023 21:45

Andrew I can completely imagine throwing his weight around.

A few years ago I took a drive around the Balmoral estate with one of the staff there. It was just a drive anyone can book on and they run them all the time.

The driver had a ton of (no doubt) well told and flattering stories of pretty much all the royal family. All except Andrew who he described as pompous and self-important, only interested in golf and said "no one here has any time at all for him".

I always think - if that's what he was willing to say to Joe Public, how much worse was the truth!

Ridemeginger · 11/01/2023 01:13

ComfortablyDazed · 10/01/2023 21:36

I honestly have no idea why people lie so much on MN when the facts are so easily checked.

People honestly believe that if they say shit with enough conviction, people won’t question them. It’s surreal.

One prolific poster across multiple threads in particular. Who is fond of demanding evidence from other posters, but never produces any when asked.

ItWasDobbinAtTheMareAndSpare · 11/01/2023 01:36

bakalava · 10/01/2023 17:49

Those text messages reveal an established power struggle long before the wedding.
What Kate is really saying is "I've been a Royal for a long time, I am also more senior, wtf won't you listen?"
What Meghan is really saying is "You are no better than anyone else. FU. I don't want your advice snooty cow, you fit in with my plans or stfu"

Based on the book, they weren’t texts, but rather his account of their follow up meeting in person.

Ticketyboots · 11/01/2023 01:57

ItWasDobbinAtTheMareAndSpare · 11/01/2023 01:36

Based on the book, they weren’t texts, but rather his account of their follow up meeting in person.

That’s interesting - was the baby brain comment part of the same dialogue or was that another incident?

ItWasDobbinAtTheMareAndSpare · 11/01/2023 02:19

Ticketyboots · 11/01/2023 01:57

That’s interesting - was the baby brain comment part of the same dialogue or was that another incident?

That comes after, he says they have a meeting in June 2018 to clear the air. He says that M said to them, maybe we got off on the wrong foot regarding confusion about Kate thinking that M wanted her fashion contacts when she didn’t (no idea why that would actually be an issue anyway?!). Then K and W say that there are other things anyway, that they didn’t give them Easter presents etc, a thing about the wedding seating. Eventually K apparently says that M owes her an apology for hurting her feelings and then that’s the baby brain bit.

It all seems really petty stuff.

User98866 · 11/01/2023 07:17

ArmyofMunn · 10/01/2023 21:25

This made me laugh!! It does seem to be the case.

Totally. I used to be sympathetic to H&M and thought good on them for standing up to the establishment a bit. Unfortunately for Harry everything he’s said has basically confirmed that most of the more ‘serious’ press stories reported were mostly true! What a twit. I’m still sympathetic to them suing the Mail for publishing her private letters, and there were certain papers that most definitely were racist in their reporting (no surprise there). But the bullying/fuss about tiaras/ rows about wedding dresses/ the Fab Four being in competition with each other. He seems to have really confirmed it.

User98866 · 11/01/2023 07:21

Its incredibly petty. It seems they fell out about dresses, whether Harry could have a beard, tiaras. Talk about pathetic reasons to fall out with your family. Harry clearly has a maniacal obsession with the press and really can’t see the wood from the trees.

bakalava · 11/01/2023 10:09

The Bradby interview was rehearsed to death and made him sound credible.

Raw and unscripted on the Late Show last night, he sounded like a twit parading his necklace and trying to bond with the audience over his penis jokes. He is not intelligent, insightful or even funny enough to make it over there. It fell flat.

Ticketyboots · 11/01/2023 10:16

bakalava · 11/01/2023 10:09

The Bradby interview was rehearsed to death and made him sound credible.

Raw and unscripted on the Late Show last night, he sounded like a twit parading his necklace and trying to bond with the audience over his penis jokes. He is not intelligent, insightful or even funny enough to make it over there. It fell flat.

Worse was his new revisionist claim / justification / explanation / excuse - first time revealed last night on The Late Show interview - that his “whole goal” in writing the Taliban number was “to reduce suicides” in the military / vet community.

Astonishingly disingenuous and crass to stoop so low.

Swissmountains · 11/01/2023 10:22

Ticketyboots · 11/01/2023 10:16

Worse was his new revisionist claim / justification / explanation / excuse - first time revealed last night on The Late Show interview - that his “whole goal” in writing the Taliban number was “to reduce suicides” in the military / vet community.

Astonishingly disingenuous and crass to stoop so low.

Well I doubt it will reduce suicides, as many veterans have said they found Harry's comments 'extremely triggering'.

He is lying again.
Gas lighting and lying.

Ticketyboots · 11/01/2023 10:25

Swissmountains · 11/01/2023 10:22

Well I doubt it will reduce suicides, as many veterans have said they found Harry's comments 'extremely triggering'.

He is lying again.
Gas lighting and lying.

Agree and in the process of his self serving back tracking lying and gaslighting he is causing deep offence to families enduring a very specifically raw and sensitive grief.

bakalava · 11/01/2023 10:30

The utterly tone deaf comments about how everybody everywhere should be accessing therapy. Good for you that you can chuck money at every soothing voice charlatan out there (starting at home). Try telling that to the kids barely surviving in bombed out buildings in Afghanistan.

bakalava · 11/01/2023 10:33

It feels like he needs to attribute a deeply noble and higher purpose to his extended campaign of malice.
He knows that the vets are an emotive topic here and abroad so his destructive agenda is now chucked onto that bandwagon.

DogBowlsAreMyWeapon · 11/01/2023 11:36

I know sweet FA about PTSD, but I’m guessing having a posh cunt in a mansion cry about his necklace and tells you he understands your trauma wouldn’t help…

I have a veteran friend (Vietnam) who ended up homeless in Miami and on smack. Not convinced Harold could’ve helped with his tone deaf nonsense.

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