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Harry admits to bullying?

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ConsistentlyClumsy · 10/01/2023 15:59

I actually really like Will, Kate and Meghan. I am not a massive fan of Harry though. However, this part of Spare makes me feel pretty uneasy. I had not made up my mind on whether I believed the bullying allegations, but I think this proves them true (at least to me.)

Obviously, this is Harry's version of events, and naturally there is two other sides here (the staff + William's side.)

Harry admits to bullying?
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bakalava · 10/01/2023 18:38

Two toxic people have combined forces and they are the ones leaving bodies on the street.

They think they are gunning for victory but they will soon realise that they are stuck in a computer simulation and they never managed to take anybody out.

NatsSundayKitchen · 10/01/2023 18:38

Thank you @Ticketyboots

BradfordGirl · 10/01/2023 18:40

@NatsSundayKitchen Then I would think they were wrong to bully. I am not a fan however much you might think. But then I would also wonder why the Palace did not publish a summary of the report into the investigation about bullying. That was the perfect time to prove once and for all if staff had been bullied. The fact the palace refused to even say what the conclusions of the report was has always implied that the investigation found no bullying.

Legrandetraitor · 10/01/2023 18:42

BradfordGirl · 10/01/2023 18:40

@NatsSundayKitchen Then I would think they were wrong to bully. I am not a fan however much you might think. But then I would also wonder why the Palace did not publish a summary of the report into the investigation about bullying. That was the perfect time to prove once and for all if staff had been bullied. The fact the palace refused to even say what the conclusions of the report was has always implied that the investigation found no bullying.

Or there are more bullies at the palace? Or they didn’t want to look negligent in covering up? Or they didn’t want to be accused of leaking more stories

BradfordGirl · 10/01/2023 18:42

Just to point out that there have been multiple posts on MN lamenting younger adults in the workplace who cry at any negative feedback about their work however gentle it is. I have come across this too in the workplace.
Someone crying does not automatically mean they have been wronged.

IcedPurple · 10/01/2023 18:43

BradfordGirl · 10/01/2023 18:35

Perhaps there was bullying or perhaps they were cryers.
I have worked with people who cry at the slightest bit of stress.

Of course you have!

Maybe like Meghan, whose husband describes her as flailing around on the floor in tears on frequent occasions?

Meghan was lucky enough to have some highly competent staff with many years experience. How likely is it that they were all 'cryers'?

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 10/01/2023 18:46

NatsSundayKitchen · 10/01/2023 17:58

Has anyone read Valentine Low's expose “Courtiers”

Yes, I have. His take is that the Sussexes wanted out from the start and that all the grievances were laying an evidence trail of 'see, this is how they treated us, we had to get out' - and that PH was pretty unpleasant even before MM arrived. It reads like absolute hell for their senior staff, being screamed at and blamed for everything perceived as negative. A lot of his sources (he doesn't say for which households and which period) contributed on condition of anonymity.

Blossomtoes · 10/01/2023 18:48

I’ve just bought Courtiers by Valentine Low. It’s bloody jaw dropping about the bullying. I think the fact that he, his publisher and The Times - which serialised it - haven’t been sued by the Sussexes speaks volumes about its veracity.

oakleaffy · 10/01/2023 18:48

EsmaCannonball · 10/01/2023 16:54

I've read an extract where the organisers of the 2007 Rugby World Cup give him tickets, put him up and provide him with a driver - an Irish man, rather stereotypically described as having a 'kindly, open face,' and whom Harry imagines thinking 'What the feck?' at his request to be driven through the tunnel where his mother died. (I suppose he at least avoided 'bejaysus' and 'begorrah.') Harry doesn't seem to see anything wrong with his bodyguard threatening to track this driver down with 'hell to pay' should he tell anyone about this trip. Is he used to getting his bodyguards to throw their weight around to get workers and members of the public to do their bidding or to keep silent? There's no awareness of how entitled and feudal this is.

Later on, Harry goes to a bar, tries to pick several fights, gets thrown out, and proceeds to verbally abuse and physically assault the bodyguard on the way back to the hotel. He admits this is not the first time this has happened, and the conversation between the bodyguards about Harry being a 'handful tonight' suggests they are used to dealing with him as an abusive drunk.

Honestly, he sounds like a member of the Bullingdon Club who was too thick to get into Oxford. In what scenario is it acceptable to repeatedly hit your staff and call them names? Remember, there was the snide, racist bullying in the army, too, and the story of him repeatedly humiliating a disabled matron as a schoolboy because she failed to make him 'horny.' I doubt he's the only member of the royal family to do this, but there seems to be a plethora of evidence - from his own words - that he habitually uses the inviolability of his status to abuse others.

A French Chef at a Cotswold pub was abused by a drunken Harry.
He was known for vomiting and being obnoxious in his younger days.
( Not too far from Highrove)

Newwardrobe · 10/01/2023 18:48

Didn't they start filming themselves before there was any talk of them leaving?

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 10/01/2023 18:51

BradfordGirl · 10/01/2023 18:35

Perhaps there was bullying or perhaps they were cryers.
I have worked with people who cry at the slightest bit of stress.

Of course. If this had been written about William and Kate, you would have been shouting about how big bullies they are.

Orangefir · 10/01/2023 18:53

I wish Disney or Netflix of someone would put together a timeline of everything that’s happened, interviewing staff etc and exposing them for who they really are. That doesn’t mean the RF would come off lightly because clearly they have allowed Harry to behave like this for years. Some responsibly rests with the Queen for letting it happen in her watch.

Maybe Netflix would have a vested interest in exposing the truth seen as they have been royally shafted with the best bits saved for the book

CocoLux · 10/01/2023 19:01

thebellagio · 10/01/2023 17:05

So far, his own words seem to have literally confirmed every single bit of bad press the two of them have had over the past 5 years....

Yes! And yet his brother - who knew the woman personally - offering any slight criticism of Meghan is seen by Harry as a blind swallowing of the press's hateful narrative. No one is allowed to say anything negative about them, and no rumour can be laughed off and ignored. His obsession with controlling the press is disturbing.

Legrandetraitor · 10/01/2023 19:08

IcedPurple · 10/01/2023 18:43

Of course you have!

Maybe like Meghan, whose husband describes her as flailing around on the floor in tears on frequent occasions?

Meghan was lucky enough to have some highly competent staff with many years experience. How likely is it that they were all 'cryers'?

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Great use of “flailing”

RocketsMagnificent7 · 10/01/2023 19:11

BradfordGirl · 10/01/2023 18:35

Perhaps there was bullying or perhaps they were cryers.
I have worked with people who cry at the slightest bit of stress.

Exactly what will he have to say or do for you to admit to even the slightest bit of wrongdoing? The constant excusing of terrible behaviour is quite frankly bizarre.

lightand · 10/01/2023 19:18

watchfulwishes · 10/01/2023 17:11

I think he is being open about how he was, isn't he? He has talked about drinking, taking drugs. He was clearly not in a great frame of mind to be asked to go through the tunnel.

Isn't that the point of the book - to be open about it all?

Rather than maintaining the polished facade whilst being a mess behind closed doors.

He seems to think being open about absolutely everything will be helpful to himself.

I agree about not bottling things up, but who on earth thinks telling all is the way to go?
Him? Meghan? His therapist? voices[not sure he has mentioned them]? Who exactly?

When in a family dynamic, if people went around pointing out everyone else's faults, everything they may have said ever that has upset you, everything you have thought about everyone, well that is a recipe for family disaster.

LadyVictoriaSponge · 10/01/2023 19:21

Harry's main gripe seems to be that 'they' spent years 'briefing against him'.

Yet 'they' had all this information but chose not to release it? So he's telling all now to stop 'them' from blackmailing him? Why would 'they' need to blackmail him? He's got nothing they want

The palace have been covering and protecting him for years and he has the gall to say they are briefing against him, it beggars belief how his entitled obnoxious mind works.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 10/01/2023 19:24

Swissmountains · 10/01/2023 17:56

Being ‘open’ usually means for most people taking responsibility - that’s the whole point.

We gain awareness of our own behaviour and the consequences to others, and we feel empathy, notice patterns. We learn something about ourselves.

How has he got through so much therapy and not gained even the tiniest hint of self awareness? Or anything at all about the impact of his actions on others?

So far this book has simply confirmed everything the RF have said.

This

LadyVictoriaSponge · 10/01/2023 19:24

I am getting really fed up that his nasty, bullying, obnoxious aggressive behaviour is being excused because of the death of his mother, Diana dying does not give him a free pass.

Mirabai · 10/01/2023 19:24

It’s sounds pretty much how it appeared at the time - staff under-qualified and inexperienced for the job they were required to do - being posh is no qualification for handling vicious media on the scale they were dealing with - stress on all sides, emotions running high - and Meghan made the scapegoat.

They just kept hiring naive, inexperienced Sloanes, when what they really needed was Alastair Campbell.

My general observation is that the quality of advice and staff at the palace is quite low.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 10/01/2023 19:26

BradfordGirl · 10/01/2023 18:35

Perhaps there was bullying or perhaps they were cryers.
I have worked with people who cry at the slightest bit of stress.

I imagine palace staff are recruited on the basis of extreme resilience, amongst other things

Mirabai · 10/01/2023 19:26

LadyVictoriaSponge · 10/01/2023 19:24

I am getting really fed up that his nasty, bullying, obnoxious aggressive behaviour is being excused because of the death of his mother, Diana dying does not give him a free pass.

It’s funny that the “deranged” (Justine’s word) never get fed up of bullying, obnoxious and aggressive posts. As if being online was any excuse.

BethDuttonsTwin · 10/01/2023 19:26

EsmaCannonball · 10/01/2023 16:54

I've read an extract where the organisers of the 2007 Rugby World Cup give him tickets, put him up and provide him with a driver - an Irish man, rather stereotypically described as having a 'kindly, open face,' and whom Harry imagines thinking 'What the feck?' at his request to be driven through the tunnel where his mother died. (I suppose he at least avoided 'bejaysus' and 'begorrah.') Harry doesn't seem to see anything wrong with his bodyguard threatening to track this driver down with 'hell to pay' should he tell anyone about this trip. Is he used to getting his bodyguards to throw their weight around to get workers and members of the public to do their bidding or to keep silent? There's no awareness of how entitled and feudal this is.

Later on, Harry goes to a bar, tries to pick several fights, gets thrown out, and proceeds to verbally abuse and physically assault the bodyguard on the way back to the hotel. He admits this is not the first time this has happened, and the conversation between the bodyguards about Harry being a 'handful tonight' suggests they are used to dealing with him as an abusive drunk.

Honestly, he sounds like a member of the Bullingdon Club who was too thick to get into Oxford. In what scenario is it acceptable to repeatedly hit your staff and call them names? Remember, there was the snide, racist bullying in the army, too, and the story of him repeatedly humiliating a disabled matron as a schoolboy because she failed to make him 'horny.' I doubt he's the only member of the royal family to do this, but there seems to be a plethora of evidence - from his own words - that he habitually uses the inviolability of his status to abuse others.

well we he sounds like a complete See You Next Tuesday. I bet his staff despised him.

lightand · 10/01/2023 19:29

stormywaves · 10/01/2023 17:47

Harry is a bully. He knows his family cannot hit back so he is on a self indulgent drunken rant right now in retaliation for not getting his own way. He says he wants a family, not an institution but hangs onto the HRH titles that 100% link him to the institution that he says he hates.

Admittedly those titles are his and M money makers but even so, if he lives a quieter life away from the media he won't need to be raising millions for the private security he says he needs.

drug rant too maybe
since he know says he took drugs up to age 36[I cant get over this but myself].

And my gosh, they so cling to the Royal titles.
Funny that when they wre supposedly trying to get away.
Hypocrites.

LadyVictoriaSponge · 10/01/2023 19:33

Mirabai · 10/01/2023 19:26

It’s funny that the “deranged” (Justine’s word) never get fed up of bullying, obnoxious and aggressive posts. As if being online was any excuse.

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It must be really difficult to have your heroes exposed for what they are, in his own words as well, never mind eh! if it makes you feel a bit better to call me deranged, feel free!