Harry admits to bullying?

[ConsistentlyClumsy]

I actually really like Will, Kate and Meghan. I am not a massive fan of Harry though. However, this part of Spare makes me feel pretty uneasy. I had not made up my mind on whether I believed the bullying allegations, but I think this proves them true (at least to me.)

Obviously, this is Harry's version of events, and naturally there is two other sides here (the staff + William's side.)

The more I read the more hideously awful this pair appear.
Goodness knows what’s still to come out in the next three books and Meghan’s autobiography- just what else is there to divulge?

I think it was a strategic move.

Keep powder dry.

That’s possibly their bargaining chip - see what he came out with in NF and the book.

They might wait for MM rumoured biog and then when they have fully revealed their hand only then publish the report so that they can’t obfuscate and back track.

I suspect though that the report found bullying and/or poor behaviour but then also found that it was widespread and that it was tolerated and the norm…..and the institution didn’t take appropriate care of its own employees so that Sr management were also at fault?

I have to admit, I’m not a fan of Harry but the reviews of his book have made me think that he’s incredibly damaged by his mother’s death, and that his latching on to Meghan as his lodestone, and their subsequent attempts to control the press narrative are all because of the way her death has damaged him. He seems to be completely obsessed with the press, especially with protecting Meghan from press intrusion, and therefore be reacting to stimuli in ways that his family were unable to understand or accommodate. It’s like he and the rest of the
family have been speaking in different languages, mutually incomprehensible, because to William and Charles etc, receiving bad press and conversely briefing the press are just part of the job/role - a necessary evil - but to Harry, the press is the Big Bad. He doesn’t understand how they can work with
the press, they don’t understand what the big deal is and thought Meghan and he should suck it up like all the other royals do.

Those text messages reveal an established power struggle long before the wedding.
What Kate is really saying is "I've been a Royal for a long time, I am also more senior, wtf won't you listen?"
What Meghan is really saying is "You are no better than anyone else. FU. I don't want your advice snooty cow, you fit in with my plans or stfu"

I agree.

Far from 'failing to protect' the Sussexes, they were being over protective of them at the expense of their staff, many of whom had served them loyally for years. They failed in their duty of care towards them. Hopefully lessons have been learned.

This was my reading too. I'm halfway through and he's very introspective when discussing these matters. In context they make such more sense to me. And he was clearly severely mentally ill; believing his mother was just in hiding rather than dead, seeking affection from mother figures in the stuff at school, dealing with an ill-equipped and emotionally stunted father and being ignored at school by his brother. No wonder he turned to drink and drugs, so would I have.

Pocket psychology there, to be taken with a pinch of salt. I lost
mum young and it can almost deform you. You may carry in growing, but bent like a bonsai tree, or you may be stunted and never develop beyond that
moment of loss. Some people can carry on, saddened and grieving but essentially unchanged, and some people are damaged perhaps beyond repair.

Yes agree - you have articulated this much more succinctly than my ramblings.

Being ‘open’ usually means for most people taking responsibility - that’s the whole point.

We gain awareness of our own behaviour and the consequences to others, and we feel empathy, notice patterns. We learn something about ourselves.

How has he got through so much therapy and not gained even the tiniest hint of self awareness? Or anything at all about the impact of his actions on others?

So far this book has simply confirmed everything the RF have said.

Has anyone read Valentine Low's expose “Courtiers”

“CoffeandTiaMaria · Today 17:48
….just what else is there to divulge?”

well - their sex-life seems to be the latest bomb to drop.

the next book will likely be a rendition of Madonna’s “sex” and he’ll be squatting over a glass coffee table.

He is absolutely vile. This woe is me narrative wears very thin and his former victims should come forward!

There serialisation was dissected on these threads a few months back - it became v intense between how the pro and anti H&M perceived it.

IMHO Valentine Low is a balanced, credible, journalist who would have done thorough due diligence on his content.

He named the very senior employees who had previous long outstanding careers in politics and the military who were involved in handling the bullying reports and none of them refuted his claims which says everything.

It was not just anti H&M (although they by far came out as the most atrociously behaved) but was critical to a greater or lesser extent of other RF members

Far from briefing against him it seems like the Palace have protected us from seeing what he is really like throughout his whole life. He comes across as an overprivileged twit and to think we have been paying for his security for years while he behaved so badly. And as for the bullying - he should be hanging his head in shame that people were slumped over their desks crying. But of course they were just plebs, not people. What a vile man he is.

not enough people or resources???

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Behave like decent people and there would be no reason to refute all the stories.

Two toxic people have combined forces and they are the ones leaving bodies on the street.

I really don't think he gets it. I don't think he realises how nasty he actually is. I think she probably does realise how awful this makes him look, but if anything it will help her portray herself as a victim I'm the future.

Harry's made a lot of money from trying to destroy his family. That money making capacity will run out.

She has more money making potential and increased Hollywood status in the future when she leaves him and claims to be a victim if his narcissistic behaviour.

Agreed. I doubt Harry is the only entitled, bullying ass in that family.

The others aren’t selling books about their victim status for tens of millions of dollars.

Isn't Harry the "CHIMPO" of a mental health charity? And yet, this is how he openly treats people!

I might be interested in reading this (won't read spare obviously) but I did watch the Netflix programme.

Can you give any examples of such atrocious behaviour?

It's not a charity.

It's a commercial organisation peddling online 'life coaching' by unlicensed 'coaches'.

The Times serialisation (taken from Courtiers: The Hidden Power Behind the Crown by Valentine Low, to be published by Headline Books on 6th October), for anyone who'd like to read them.

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Part 4

www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/4642566-courtiers-by-valentine-low

Whoops share token links to The Times serialisation seem to have been lost?

Perhaps there was bullying or perhaps they were cryers.
I have worked with people who cry at the slightest bit of stress.

How would you feel about Meghan and Harry if the allegations of bullying turn out to be true @BradfordGirl?