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what exactly are the royals supposed to be apologising for?

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HufflepuffRavenclaw · 09/01/2023 08:05

Didn;t watch the interview last night but have seen clips on the news this morning. He is banging on about abuse and how they need to come out and apologise to both him and Meghan.

But his main gripes appear about the media - which the other royals don't control, that Meghan didn't fit in, that his older brother is more important than he is / sibling rivalry, that Kate didn't "get on" with Meghan. Vague accusations about lies being told (which he doesn't specify) by "certain members" which again he doesn't specify.

What doe he REALLY expect to happen?

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XelaM · 09/01/2023 13:31

Sorry, haven't read the whole thread, but posters who say he is accusing the Royal Family of "leaking stories to the press"... lol WHAT?!? 🤣🤣🤣 Do you not see the irony in what he is saying?!?

It's not Camilla or Charles or Will&Kate who are writing books and giving interviews 24/7!

RedToothBrush · 09/01/2023 13:32

StaunchMomma · 09/01/2023 13:07

Isn't it funny that the people who are most outraged and furious at Harry are the ones who have refused to watch any of the interviews 🤔

The whole point of this utterly boring fiasco (taking way too much of our attention while the NHS is in chaos), is apparently, from Harry's perspective, that all of his speaking out in in interviews/books etc is RETALIATION for the fact that his Father, Brother and Step Mum have released private info about him and his wife to the press so that they look better themselves and have H&M as fall-guys, which apparently his father did a lot to Dianna.

That's HIS take on things. We know leaks happen. Obviously William and Charles are choosing to tow the party line and not talk about it BUT they are human beings, with agency, literally NOTHING would happen to them if they did so let's stop acting as if they're mute!

The levels of public fury are literally pathetic, and if people are going to get so angry about a topic, the least they could do is consider being informed on it and not jut reading Daily Mail headlines!

Based on what evidence? That's kinda the problem here. He said / she said doesn't cut it

That's Harry's ultimate problem.

If you have a grievance against the establishment you have to have a very defined tightly woven argument with evidence to back it up.

Otherwise you will come a total cropper

Given this was someone raised by the 'never explain never complain' mantra he's really never learn the lessons about why and the nature of the Streisand effect .

That's why it's playing out particularly badly here and is liable in time stateside if he continues.

If the best Harry has is 'William and the Dog Bowl' story, it's not really demonstrating anything.

If all this is a threat to his family about worse to come if he doesn't get his own way, the again I'm not sure how that works out for him because eventually he will be asked for the goods and then will play the roll of the bad guy in doing so.

The fact this thread is titled 'what are the royal supposed to be apologising for' highlights how the message isn't being communicated to the public

Saying 'watch the interview' misses the point that he's flooded the market with so much grievance, no one can see the wood for the trees and the impact of the interview is lost in the sound of his own voice echoing from multiple directions at the same time.

If the interview had come a month ago well ahead of the book, it might frame the debate differently.

The interview now looks like a damage limitation exercise after everyone is rolling their eyes so much and has already reached 'Peak Harry Whining' and have switched off

He's managed to oversaturate the market with his list of complaints and therein lies the issue at this point. He can't now narrow down and refine his grievances easily nor make them sound justified because it's lost in anecdotes that undermine both his credibility and his judgement making ability.

That's not of the Royals making. That's of Harry's ineptitude with PR.

XelaM · 09/01/2023 13:33

Did the Royal Family draft Harry's book?

FlowerArranger · 09/01/2023 13:37

So Camilla is the bad guy for leaking stuff to the media.

A bit rich, coming from the son of a woman who spent years playing games with the press and manipulating her image.

Maireas · 09/01/2023 13:37

XelaM · 09/01/2023 13:33

Did the Royal Family draft Harry's book?

No, I think Harry Hill did.

custardbear · 09/01/2023 13:38

@Dreamstate then there would be hardly any news! They have to give a balance story (red tops wobbly here) .. Harry won't accept that, but will drive his own bullshit ... for money ... peddling lies and mistruths again, still and spitefulness

XelaM · 09/01/2023 13:43

Maireas · 09/01/2023 13:37

No, I think Harry Hill did.

Then the Royal Family have nothing to apologise gor 😂

I can't actually believe HE is the one accusing THEM of leaking stories to the press 🤣🤣🤣mouth on floor

Maireas · 09/01/2023 13:49

@XelaM - or saying he wants a conversation with William, but will insist that it's private! 😂

vera99 · 09/01/2023 13:50

2bazookas · 09/01/2023 12:36

What Harry really wants;

Papa and Wills summon him back to the UK, offer Meghan a castle with bigger bedrooms, more diamonds, more dosh, her own TV station, call her Princess, then crown her as Queen.

Harry wants his own helicopter, and to be adopted by a new mummy who likes horses, pubs, and doing it in the beer garden.

All perfectly reasonable... 😂that said everything both sides should be publically crowdfunded. That way those with strong views get to vote with their wallets. No more 'handouts'.

XelaM · 09/01/2023 13:51

Maireas · 09/01/2023 13:49

@XelaM - or saying he wants a conversation with William, but will insist that it's private! 😂

I know 🤣🤣🤣it's actually beyond belief

Fladdermus · 09/01/2023 13:57

2bazookas · 09/01/2023 12:36

What Harry really wants;

Papa and Wills summon him back to the UK, offer Meghan a castle with bigger bedrooms, more diamonds, more dosh, her own TV station, call her Princess, then crown her as Queen.

Harry wants his own helicopter, and to be adopted by a new mummy who likes horses, pubs, and doing it in the beer garden.

Scary thing is that this isn't as far fetched as it appears. Didn't he and Meghan whinge that they weren't given roles they felt they were better suited to? IE William and Kate got them.

IdidntshagHarry · 09/01/2023 13:59

Unbelievable

"Maireas · Today 13:49
@XelaM - or saying he wants a conversation with William, but will insist that it's private! 😂"

He wants that but must be allowed to say what he wants for his truth to come out.

Why would anyone trust him ever again.

springerb88 · 09/01/2023 14:00

Most messages on Mumsnet slamming Harry are from commenters are sick and tired of hearing about Harry & Meghan yet are the ones who read and are brainwashed by the endless anti-Harry/anti-Meghan articles written by the tabloids.
Harry's main point that he clearly talks about in his netflix doc and the interview last night is about how the tabloid press churn out so many fake stories about him and his wife and the "royal sources" these are from are with the RF/the institution itself. The bridesmaid dress upset or the baby brain comments are all minor things he's written about or discussed in his documentary but the tabloids go with these stories and blow them up to distract from the real issue that Harry is talking about, the tabloids.

Maireas · 09/01/2023 14:02

No, we're discussing points Harry made in the interview.

RedToothBrush · 09/01/2023 14:03

springerb88 · 09/01/2023 14:00

Most messages on Mumsnet slamming Harry are from commenters are sick and tired of hearing about Harry & Meghan yet are the ones who read and are brainwashed by the endless anti-Harry/anti-Meghan articles written by the tabloids.
Harry's main point that he clearly talks about in his netflix doc and the interview last night is about how the tabloid press churn out so many fake stories about him and his wife and the "royal sources" these are from are with the RF/the institution itself. The bridesmaid dress upset or the baby brain comments are all minor things he's written about or discussed in his documentary but the tabloids go with these stories and blow them up to distract from the real issue that Harry is talking about, the tabloids.

Which aren't going anywhere...

...does Harry really think he can go against the British gutter press which goes back to before the PR era of the Royals (and propped up the Royals since the 1840s)?

That's even more fantasy land than the castle and helicopter jibe

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 09/01/2023 14:04

Harry's main point that he clearly talks about in his netflix doc and the interview last night is about how the tabloid press churn out so many fake stories about him and his wife and the "royal sources" these are from are with the RF/the institution itself. The bridesmaid dress upset or the baby brain comments are all minor things he's written about or discussed in his documentary but the tabloids go with these stories and blow them up to distract from the real issue that Harry is talking about, the tabloids.

Harry doesn't get to decide what people want to talk about. He put all that stuff out there because presumably he wanted people to know about it.

Fladdermus · 09/01/2023 14:07

springerb88 · 09/01/2023 14:00

Most messages on Mumsnet slamming Harry are from commenters are sick and tired of hearing about Harry & Meghan yet are the ones who read and are brainwashed by the endless anti-Harry/anti-Meghan articles written by the tabloids.
Harry's main point that he clearly talks about in his netflix doc and the interview last night is about how the tabloid press churn out so many fake stories about him and his wife and the "royal sources" these are from are with the RF/the institution itself. The bridesmaid dress upset or the baby brain comments are all minor things he's written about or discussed in his documentary but the tabloids go with these stories and blow them up to distract from the real issue that Harry is talking about, the tabloids.

Any yet nobody, not even Harry himself, can name one single fake story that the RF have leaked about him.

Dreamstate · 09/01/2023 14:10

RedToothBrush · 09/01/2023 14:03

Which aren't going anywhere...

...does Harry really think he can go against the British gutter press which goes back to before the PR era of the Royals (and propped up the Royals since the 1840s)?

That's even more fantasy land than the castle and helicopter jibe

Yeah silly anyone for trying to make a change. Bit like racism, decades upon decades and it still exists guess we should all just shut up and put up with it after all its being going on for so long - its a fantasy to think we can live in a world and not face racism.

RedToothBrush · 09/01/2023 15:00

Dreamstate · 09/01/2023 14:10

Yeah silly anyone for trying to make a change. Bit like racism, decades upon decades and it still exists guess we should all just shut up and put up with it after all its being going on for so long - its a fantasy to think we can live in a world and not face racism.

If Leverson didn't achieve it, a Royal complaining whilst using the the tabloid media and making inconsistent comments and take a swipe back isn't going to achieve that.

Dreamstate · 09/01/2023 15:02

RedToothBrush · 09/01/2023 15:00

If Leverson didn't achieve it, a Royal complaining whilst using the the tabloid media and making inconsistent comments and take a swipe back isn't going to achieve that.

Or as a collective society we should get behind it and support a change instead by refusing to click on the articles etc.

HufflepuffRavenclaw · 09/01/2023 15:36

But it all comes back to trust.

Harry and Meghan are looking for a grovelling apology from Charles, Camilla, William and Kate mostly, and from lots of other people too. Those are the same people who he has slagged off in a book and repeatedly on telly by dropping in vague accusations and letting speculation run rife, or telling trivial little stories about lip gloss or what was said or not said on the day the Queen died.

How can ANYONE in that family ever trust him again? They will just think that anything they do say/do will be filmed, noted down, used in the next interview or book. He has spilled his guts on so much personal stuff (drugs, sex, killing Afghans) that any convo with the family is fair game. If I were any one of them I would be incredibly wary of any contact whatsoever.

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RedToothBrush · 09/01/2023 15:42

Dreamstate · 09/01/2023 15:02

Or as a collective society we should get behind it and support a change instead by refusing to click on the articles etc.

Are you familiar with my posting history?

Hardly something I've not said.

In this case I have little sympathy because Harry is trying to use the tabloids himself to play the same game. He's not some kind of innocent party if he doesn't understand that and make that point.

Instead he tries to play a victim card whilst playing the same game.

My point here, is that he's undermining his own bloody argument by doing it. And it's this hypocrisy that fucking pisses me off more than anything at all.

He's playing a PR game. He doesn't have a problem with the press when it suits his agenda. He doesn't have any interest in the concept of 'the truth' or 'holding power to account' despite all the noise coming out his gob.

He just took the argument about increasing privacy for public figures back ten years - he hasn't advanced it forward.

The press are using this as an opportunity to scrutinise what he's saying and demonstrate that they are challenging people in positions of power BECAUSE Harry's bullshit is so full of holes.

He's creating MORE problems not less, because he actually ends up giving credibility to the tabloids who can then claim they've been investigating whether his argument has any substance to it.

It fucking angers me.

Hbh17 · 09/01/2023 16:57

Surely, if there was any leaking of stories going on, Meghan was just as likely to be doing it as other members of the family. She does have form for this pre-Harry. So maybe he should be looking a bit closer to home.....
We also know for a fact that Diana (as well as Charles) leaked to the press often.
H & M have criticised Thonas Markle for doing exactly what they are doing now (albeit TM was nowhere bear as bad).
Frankly, it's time H & M recognised the breathtaking levels of hypocrisy and double-standards that they have embraced. And then shut up.

JudgeJ · 09/01/2023 21:03

HufflepuffRavenclaw · 09/01/2023 15:36

But it all comes back to trust.

Harry and Meghan are looking for a grovelling apology from Charles, Camilla, William and Kate mostly, and from lots of other people too. Those are the same people who he has slagged off in a book and repeatedly on telly by dropping in vague accusations and letting speculation run rife, or telling trivial little stories about lip gloss or what was said or not said on the day the Queen died.

How can ANYONE in that family ever trust him again? They will just think that anything they do say/do will be filmed, noted down, used in the next interview or book. He has spilled his guts on so much personal stuff (drugs, sex, killing Afghans) that any convo with the family is fair game. If I were any one of them I would be incredibly wary of any contact whatsoever.

The idea of conversations between Harold and other members of the RF makes me think of the caution read when Barnaby et al arrest someone You do not have to say anything but anythng you do say will be taken down and may be used in evidence' though I think it's changed a bit now. The one not respecting the concept of privacy is Harold who couldn't even keep his alleged last words to the dead body of his grandmother private.

stormywaves · 09/01/2023 21:43

Maybe instead of undermining Meghan when she first came over, KC etc were trying to educate her on how the RF works and the etiquette expected.

But M probably thought she knew best (she admittedly she had no idea how to curtsey) despite knowing nothing about the family she was about to marry into and fought them every step of the way as she believed she could change things for the better and it would be done her way.

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