what exactly are the royals supposed to be apologising for?

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Didn;t watch the interview last night but have seen clips on the news this morning. He is banging on about abuse and how they need to come out and apologise to both him and Meghan.

But his main gripes appear about the media - which the other royals don't control, that Meghan didn't fit in, that his older brother is more important than he is / sibling rivalry, that Kate didn't "get on" with Meghan. Vague accusations about lies being told (which he doesn't specify) by "certain members" which again he doesn't specify.

What doe he REALLY expect to happen?

Same old story - history repeating itself.

Ok.

Is what Harry saying true?

One of the claims has been about whether Harry was Best Man at William's wedding.

What should the press do?

What have the press done?

'Oh but the evil Daily Mail are on a smear campaign against him'

The press in seeking the truth, aren't going to focus on the bits that are true. They are going to pick up on nonsense Harry has come up with alongside it and the insane decision to overshare on certain things he didn't need to. Because that's their job.

Harry inadvertently has created his own problems here to a degree.

The problem here come back to failing to prove a filter for what he has put out there, the inconsistency of it, the flip flopping, his own standards of truthtelling which undermine his narrative when he just speaks bollocks or out of touch crap that's obviously going to alienate the public and make him look like a giant egomaniac (eg thinking IKEA and free cottages are beneath him).

Reality is, in doing all this, the press are actually obligated and duty bound o pick up on this!!! It's being framed as cherry picking but actually it's what they should be doing as ironic as it sounds because it's able his overall credibility.

Again it comes down to perception. Harry clearly didn't stop to think and didn't know how to make the points he wants without all the other drivel in between.

Again poor judgement and bad decision making on his part.

That's the theme throughout for me. From his own words and actions. Poor decision making that leaves him particularly open to criticism.

Clearly he didn't want to live within those constraints and thinks that the rest of the whole don't have those same constraints. I don't think that's really true. He had opportunities that others don't. And the rest of the world can't just say and do what they like without consequences for different reasons. I don't think he grasps this.

We talk about the concept of 'being free' and it's very complex. We all live within the straightjacket of our roots in someway.

Genuinely there are so many basic life lessons he needs to learn which most of the plebs take for granted on a daily basis.

And I think this comes from him being over rather than under protected as a rule.

That's naive thinking. With any story there's one side's truth, the other side's truth and somewhere in the middle of that is the actual truth.

Take the biggest bedroom story. Harry's truth is that he was given a pokier room because William was the golden child. William's truth could be he called bagsie on it first. The actual truth it was tradition for the eldest sibling and heir to get the biggest bedroom. Which of those truths should the paper print when according to Harry only his truth is the correct version?

The racist implication almost a couple of years ago is odd. Oprah Winfrey's face since she took it that they were implying/suggesting racism and apparently they weren't now and don't think they are racist anymore...

Took H 2 years to clear that up. He drops a vague comment, everyone pities him and M and then 2 years later he never meant it as racist.... go speak to Oprah because a black woman also thought you implied they were racist!

IF his father and brother were constantly undermining him and Meghan, as he seems to be claiming (though without any specific accusations) then why would you want them 'back'?

A reasonable question, not dissimilar to why they would want to be half in half out of a racist institution which nearly drove Meghan to suicide, but I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for answers

In fairness he's probably got a point about the palace leaking, except that he's constantly doing exactly the same, and on the "lack of support" he has no credibility at all now the many times the palace defended them have been amply demonstrated - unless he expects support where it's not appropriate and I doubt that'll happen

From the endless repetitive whining I can only think they're running out of things to say and realise the money will also run out, so are scratching round for a way back so as to once again access cash, paid for security and some sort of relevance. It would explain the backpedalling on tthe racism claims too, though whether he'd be allowed back now they've both shown what they're capable of is anyone's guess

Given that other members of the RF have had similar 'leaks' - as @vera99 helpfully pointed out

vera99 · Today 10:54
Maybe it was this one in the time before Kate was beatified by the press. This smells of "difficult".
www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3680115/SEBASTIAN-SHAKESPEARE-Kate-s-aide-quits-Kensington-Palace-love-triangle-Media-adviser-leaves-just-three-months-dumping-Duchess-s-Girl-Friday-Prince-Harry-s-assistant.html

It is odd to think to jump to the conclusion that W&K HAVE to be personally behind the 'leaks' re: Meghan.

Perhaps the same mechanism (presumably staff?) is behind the leaks about M?

It was interesting that he left it open about going to the Coronation.

Harry’s point on this was that he and William watched their father’s office do it on their mother, William had experiences of Camilla doing it to Kate and then he (Harry) believes that William did it to him and Meghan. This press briefing behaviour is completely normal and therefore normalised in the Royal family so Harry’s smoke is not without fire.

Totally agree with this. Kate is not obliged to be huggy-huggy bestie with Meghan merely because they are in-laws.

I think Harry finds it hard to accept that not everyone loves Meghan as much as he does.

What Harry really wants;

Papa and Wills summon him back to the UK, offer Meghan a castle with bigger bedrooms, more diamonds, more dosh, her own TV station, call her Princess, then crown her as Queen.

Harry wants his own helicopter, and to be adopted by a new mummy who likes horses, pubs, and doing it in the beer garden.

I thought The Palace did cover up for Meghan to protect her from the backlash of her poor behaviour. Like when they put out a statement saying she left the Fiji market early over security concerns because it was it busier than expected. But a few days later The Times (I think) reported that the truth was she threw a tantrum and left because of the presence of UN Women, a UNHCR body desperately wanted to be in but was rejected by.

*she desperately wanted to be in

William had experiences of Camilla doing it to Kate and then he (Harry) believes that William did it to him and Meghan

But is that true, did Camilla shaft Kate? It's all so vague, no examples, no evidence. Did W say that to H? It's all just paranoid waffle.

You forgot one very important point about the Oprah interview and the ITV interview.

One that's very revealing.

The Oprah interview is to a US audience. Predominantly Democrat supporting.

The ITV interview is to a British audience. Predominantly more socially conservative (though not necessarily Conservative nor Royalist)

That suggests it's a deliberate strategy. And it will be interesting to see how the race issue is handled in the future back in the US to either confirm this or to highlight a shift in tone because the Oprah comments were too harsh / unfair and Harry is backing away from them. (The other question is 'is there water between what Harry thinks and what Meghan think?')

If Harry is doing this, to play to different audiences and it's confirmed as a PR thing it's going to massive blow up in his face.

Playing to different audiences is a common strategy in recent years - Trump did it a lot. Johnson did it a lot. Starmer has been seen doing it.

But I doubt Harry will be allowed to get away with it as easily as he's not connecting with the public well ATM.

He will be seen as betraying the narrative if he plays silly buggers on this one. Cos of his privilege.

Isn't it funny that the people who are most outraged and furious at Harry are the ones who have refused to watch any of the interviews 🤔

The whole point of this utterly boring fiasco (taking way too much of our attention while the NHS is in chaos), is apparently, from Harry's perspective, that all of his speaking out in in interviews/books etc is RETALIATION for the fact that his Father, Brother and Step Mum have released private info about him and his wife to the press so that they look better themselves and have H&M as fall-guys, which apparently his father did a lot to Dianna.

That's HIS take on things. We know leaks happen. Obviously William and Charles are choosing to tow the party line and not talk about it BUT they are human beings, with agency, literally NOTHING would happen to them if they did so let's stop acting as if they're mute!

The levels of public fury are literally pathetic, and if people are going to get so angry about a topic, the least they could do is consider being informed on it and not jut reading Daily Mail headlines!

Isn't it funny that the people who are most outraged and furious at Harry are the ones who have refused to watch any of the interviews

Well I'm only commenting on the roughly 50 mins of it that I watched. I have no idea of what he said in the first 50 mins.

And I watched the whole of the OW one couldn't face the 6 hours on NF .

Having watched the Oprah interview, three hours of Netflix and the Bradby interview I think I’ve done my share.

Me too, @Blossomtoes ! I'm just girding my loins to watch the Anderson Cooper one.....

Having watched the Oprah interview, three hours of Netflix and the Bradby interview I think I’ve done my share.

I think you've gone above and beyond!

@StaunchMommaSadly the British public is poorly informed about lots of things. Not least what the role of the monarchy actually is. H&M have briefed the press/media too. Via “friends” of Meghan. Everyone knew Diana used the press when it suited her. The best thing for them all is to shut up. Except Harry cannot as he needs the money and has contracts.

Thank you. Hopefully my damehood is in the post!

Thank you. Hopefully my damehood is in the post!

You definitely deserve to get a job as a TV reviewer!

Yes she does. She and William regularly stay with one who lives near me. Completely incognito.