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what exactly are the royals supposed to be apologising for?

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HufflepuffRavenclaw · 09/01/2023 08:05

Didn;t watch the interview last night but have seen clips on the news this morning. He is banging on about abuse and how they need to come out and apologise to both him and Meghan.

But his main gripes appear about the media - which the other royals don't control, that Meghan didn't fit in, that his older brother is more important than he is / sibling rivalry, that Kate didn't "get on" with Meghan. Vague accusations about lies being told (which he doesn't specify) by "certain members" which again he doesn't specify.

What doe he REALLY expect to happen?

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custardbear · 09/01/2023 11:14

Harry comes across very 'I said do this and they didn't' eg about his dad remarrying - what has it got to do with him when he's an adult, his dad can't stay single forever ffs. Charles should have been allowed to marry Camilla in the first place, he's always loved her.
Also he only wants the newspapers to publish his truth, otherwise it's not allowed - so using the press as your own PR when the point is of free speech.
With regards to Charles telling him MM wasn't welcome at the queens death bed - he said something about not making sense and he wouldn't 'tolerate' it - WTAF?! That's NOT his call I'm afraid. PH is very much sounding like a spiteful idiot who won't tolerate anyone telling him no ... and MM is clearly the same 'what MM wants she gets' bollocks - jumped up spoilt little oik

bakalava · 09/01/2023 11:15

Agree. he never listened to his family when they told him his marriage to MM would be a disaster (which turned out to be true) so why did he expect his marriage guidance to be appreciated.

Nimblesandbimbles · 09/01/2023 11:16

WATCH THE INTERVIEW

50shadesofneigh · 09/01/2023 11:17

He never says what stories and leaks he's talking about and all this talk of 'leaking' just sounds... icky and incontinent but very imprecise. What exactly has been said to the press and when, and why was it so damaging? It is so incredibly light on detail.

I also can't believe that he says her supports Lady Hussey - does he not realise the backlash that is now coming from him from those that have, until now, supported him as a kind of (deeply misplaced, white, male, privileged) racism campaigner?

Unfortunately, he seems to consumed by rage and revenge, proclaiming how deeply happy and therapised he is with is new life while showing not a flicker of a smile or ease from behind a very drawn and tight looking expression, it's all very curious and very unconvincing.

Dreamstate · 09/01/2023 11:18

custardbear · 09/01/2023 11:14

Harry comes across very 'I said do this and they didn't' eg about his dad remarrying - what has it got to do with him when he's an adult, his dad can't stay single forever ffs. Charles should have been allowed to marry Camilla in the first place, he's always loved her.
Also he only wants the newspapers to publish his truth, otherwise it's not allowed - so using the press as your own PR when the point is of free speech.
With regards to Charles telling him MM wasn't welcome at the queens death bed - he said something about not making sense and he wouldn't 'tolerate' it - WTAF?! That's NOT his call I'm afraid. PH is very much sounding like a spiteful idiot who won't tolerate anyone telling him no ... and MM is clearly the same 'what MM wants she gets' bollocks - jumped up spoilt little oik

I think it would be a basic standard that the press publish the truth.

JustWhattheDoctorOrdered · 09/01/2023 11:23

@Nimblesandbimbles

WATCH THE INTERVIEW

This!

I wouldn’t dream of spouting off my opinion about a programme or book I hadn’t actually watched. The book still isn’t officially available so nobody can say what they think of it. If you want to say something about the Netflix documentaries or the interview then watch them!

I am in no way on ‘team’ M and H, my views fluctuate. But I guarantee you that anybody who actually watches the whole of the programmes will arrive at a much, much more nuanced conclusion about the whole situation. It’s complicated.

FictionalCharacter · 09/01/2023 11:24

JustWhattheDoctorOrdered · 09/01/2023 08:19

I thought it was really clear.

He was accusing the RF family of leaking stories about him and M to the press. And not publically defending him and M when bad stories appeared.

That’s a pretty serious accusation. Isn’t it?

And now he’s doing more than leaking stories about family members to the press, he’s written a whole book full of accusations against them, complete with a load of intimate detail. So he’s doing worse than he accused them of doing.
Plus he hasn’t said exactly what the stories were that were “leaked” and to what extent any of them were truth or lies.

bakalava · 09/01/2023 11:24

I also can't believe that he says her supports Lady Hussey - does he not realise the backlash that is now coming from him from those that have, until now, supported him as a kind of (deeply misplaced, white, male, privileged) racism campaigner?

They were "projecting". He is just a human being with a set of unique opinions and loyalties which may contradict in places. Not a poster boy for their politics. I respect him a little more for it.

trucklebrunch · 09/01/2023 11:27

Can I ask...was the leaking of stories by the RF themselves something that was spoken about / raised in the Oprah interview?

I feel like all I remember was the racism accusation and Meghan being made to feel unwelcome, unsupported, not being helped with protocol etc. so really struggling and then not being offered proper therapy and help so Harry gut her out of that toxic environment to protect her mental wellbeing.

Now the main complaint and narrative seems to have changed and is the leaking of stories by William and Camilla and the RF being 'in bed' with the media. Basically selling negative stories about Meghan to make themselves look better and refusing to deny negative stories that dud break about her.

He says this has been going on for 6 years, if so why wasn't it thoroughly discussed in the O interview (or have I completely missed it?)

custardbear · 09/01/2023 11:29

@Dreamstate - yes the truth - he just wants his truth published, nothing else (eg his angles which we've all found out many times over are lies and misdirections at best)

themessygarden · 09/01/2023 11:32

and how is it that, so far, no one has asked him about the emails confirming they were leaking and planting stories through Omid Scobie ?

RedToothBrush · 09/01/2023 11:34

Dreamstate · 09/01/2023 11:18

I think it would be a basic standard that the press publish the truth.

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That's a very naive comment.

Define 'the truth'.

I've spoken about this before on MN and how it's not about there being 'many truths in the eye of whoever is telling it' but rather this concept which is kind of fuzzy, can't necessarily be nailed down but with a kaleidoscope of multiple faceted images you can usually pick out something of the original picture. This you sometimes need to hear the view points of many to pick out the bullshit lies from the blurred mosaic of perception of reality.

And that also neglects that the truth isn't necessarily the most important thing even if you do uphold press standards. Social media doesn't have these standards (at least not yet) so rumours and conspiracy theories thrive and what people believe can often be more important than the reality.

Harry's mistake here is to think that a 'he said / she said' approach will cut through and he can create 'the truth' when he knows full well that the Royals won't respond. All he can do is create a less than complimentary Barbara Streisand effect around himself by slagging off others.

The Royals understand that silence makes it harder to see a mosaic of the truth too. And that's what Harry is fighting against (and will struggle if continues with an attack dog strategy) They've been in the modern PR business in earnest since the 1840s. That's longer than pretty much anyone else.

bakalava · 09/01/2023 11:35

These are no no-holds-barred interviews. Lists of topics are painstakingly pre agreed in advance. Nor are they non-edited. Uncle Andrew will explain why live interviews are a no no.

stormywaves · 09/01/2023 11:36

Maybe he has a valid point, maybe not but his methods of making it come across like an emotionally immature, spoilt teenager.

If their father wanted to remarry that is his choice. Did they just object to him marrying Camilla? Now he appears to be hanging Camilla out to dry for 'breaking up' his parents marriage which was already rocky before the wedding.

No one is racist apparently.

MM is not a blood relative of course she is not allowed at the Queen's deathbed. It was completely inappropiate and if he cannot see that he is blind. The fact he was even in the country was a coincidence.

Dreamstate · 09/01/2023 11:38

custardbear · 09/01/2023 11:29

@Dreamstate - yes the truth - he just wants his truth published, nothing else (eg his angles which we've all found out many times over are lies and misdirections at best)

This isn't about what Harry wants. A journalist writing for a paper should ensure what's published is the truth. This is about journalism and media and what is published. You could use any subject here or person - what is said should be the truth

Dreamstate · 09/01/2023 11:40

RedToothBrush · 09/01/2023 11:34

That's a very naive comment.

Define 'the truth'.

I've spoken about this before on MN and how it's not about there being 'many truths in the eye of whoever is telling it' but rather this concept which is kind of fuzzy, can't necessarily be nailed down but with a kaleidoscope of multiple faceted images you can usually pick out something of the original picture. This you sometimes need to hear the view points of many to pick out the bullshit lies from the blurred mosaic of perception of reality.

And that also neglects that the truth isn't necessarily the most important thing even if you do uphold press standards. Social media doesn't have these standards (at least not yet) so rumours and conspiracy theories thrive and what people believe can often be more important than the reality.

Harry's mistake here is to think that a 'he said / she said' approach will cut through and he can create 'the truth' when he knows full well that the Royals won't respond. All he can do is create a less than complimentary Barbara Streisand effect around himself by slagging off others.

The Royals understand that silence makes it harder to see a mosaic of the truth too. And that's what Harry is fighting against (and will struggle if continues with an attack dog strategy) They've been in the modern PR business in earnest since the 1840s. That's longer than pretty much anyone else.

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I wasn't referring to social media, but commenting about previous poster who mentioned the press as in news papers which do have a set of standards.

Hattie72 · 09/01/2023 11:43

I just wonder when he will stop going on so we can see something else on the news than this dysfunctional family driving around in pumpkins with crowns on their heads.

Loudhousefun · 09/01/2023 11:48

For destroying his and his wife’s mental health for leaking false stories to the press and consequently stirring up hatred for them to the point that they are receiving death threats. I would be a hell of a lot more angry than what he is about this. Keep going Harry

davegrohll · 09/01/2023 11:50

Didn't watch the Interview but got the gist from posts on here etc.

One thing I'm confused about is from what I remember Meghan's family, particularly her sister, was giving lots of stories to the media wasn't they ? So why are they just going after the royal family ?

Inkpotlover · 09/01/2023 11:55

HufflepuffRavenclaw · 09/01/2023 08:05

Didn;t watch the interview last night but have seen clips on the news this morning. He is banging on about abuse and how they need to come out and apologise to both him and Meghan.

But his main gripes appear about the media - which the other royals don't control, that Meghan didn't fit in, that his older brother is more important than he is / sibling rivalry, that Kate didn't "get on" with Meghan. Vague accusations about lies being told (which he doesn't specify) by "certain members" which again he doesn't specify.

What doe he REALLY expect to happen?

This is exactly the conversation me and DP had this morning! All this blathering on about accountability – what exactly does he want them to apologise for? For being emotionally cold? For making Meghan feel unwelcome? For not letting him have the biggest bedroom? For breathing?

Frankly, I think the pain and humiliation he's inflicted upon them with the book, doc, Oprah etc, now trumps any perceived slight they've supposedly inflicted on him. The only thing they should apologise for is racist behaviour but he's walked back on that himself.

BethJ62 · 09/01/2023 11:55

Loudhousefun · 09/01/2023 11:48

For destroying his and his wife’s mental health for leaking false stories to the press and consequently stirring up hatred for them to the point that they are receiving death threats. I would be a hell of a lot more angry than what he is about this. Keep going Harry

So why did they want to stay part of the RF ?

newtb · 09/01/2023 11:56

Breathing?

Inkpotlover · 09/01/2023 11:57

Loudhousefun · 09/01/2023 11:48

For destroying his and his wife’s mental health for leaking false stories to the press and consequently stirring up hatred for them to the point that they are receiving death threats. I would be a hell of a lot more angry than what he is about this. Keep going Harry

Where's the proof they were personally leaking stories themselves? That William and Camilla were on speed dial to the DM editor? We only have H's word for it they were and frankly his recollection of events is hugely inconsistent.

Inkpotlover · 09/01/2023 11:58

Loudhousefun · 09/01/2023 11:48

For destroying his and his wife’s mental health for leaking false stories to the press and consequently stirring up hatred for them to the point that they are receiving death threats. I would be a hell of a lot more angry than what he is about this. Keep going Harry

And if he knows how awful it is to watch a loved one's mental health be destroyed, how does he square that with what he's now inflicting on his dad's and brother's and sister-in-law's?

Inkpotlover · 09/01/2023 11:59

newtb · 09/01/2023 11:56

Breathing?

I was being sarcastic! He's so angry with them about everything!