what exactly are the royals supposed to be apologising for?

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Didn;t watch the interview last night but have seen clips on the news this morning. He is banging on about abuse and how they need to come out and apologise to both him and Meghan.

But his main gripes appear about the media - which the other royals don't control, that Meghan didn't fit in, that his older brother is more important than he is / sibling rivalry, that Kate didn't "get on" with Meghan. Vague accusations about lies being told (which he doesn't specify) by "certain members" which again he doesn't specify.

What doe he REALLY expect to happen?

Ricco- you could just mention 1 or 2 for us non-Netflixers? Or is it a secret 🙄.

Thing is, the royals are not going to deviate from the "never complain, never explain" line which they have held forever. Harry knows this. He is not going to get a public apology if his allegations are true as this would mean admitting there is fault. They are not going to apologise in private as Harry has made it really clear that anything said/done in private is likely to be repeated for Netflix or in a book. All trust has broken down and I can't see how that will ever be rebuilt.

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But this is the first we've heard of it. Up until now it's been other stuff about tiaras and tights and lipgloss and curtseying. You'd think that if the major issue is leaking stories then that would have been front and centre from the very start

@HufflepuffRavenclaw but you’ve just admitted you didn’t watch any of the six programmes on Netflix which covered exactly which stories about them had been leaked. So why are you posting your opinion about something you only have partial knowledge of?

The lipgloss etc stories are small translated snippets that have been coming out from various random journalists who have picked bits from the Spanish edition of his book which is not officially on sale yet.

If you have an opinion on what someone is saying why don’t you listen to what they are actually saying??!

They won’t apologise and he doesn’t want an apology. He wants a role to keep him relevant and money to bankroll them. If he doesn’t get it, that book would turn out as just a little taster of what’s to come. I.e. he will never stop for as long as he’s given publicity.

When you have every senior royal at a event and the next day the press shove Megan face on the front of the newspapers , it's because that's who the public want to see and that's who at the time sold newspapers.

She very much was becoming the favourite royal and the fact she isn't actually a royal , the institution simply couldn't allow it. Harry clearly states that in the documentary, he knew it wasn't acceptable for her face to be the one publish.

Go and look back at the early paper articles on her...here is 2 from 2017/2018

Step Aside, Kate. Meghan Is the New People’s Princess

Meghan Markle is hailed as the new Princess Diana after first official engagement with Prince Harry

Just what - not watching Netflix isn’t something people have to ‘admit’ to. It isn’t a moral obligation to watch someone being paid to moan!

I’ve watched both the Netflix series and the interview last night.

He is selling it all for cash- but I do sort of understand why. He has spent most of his life having lies told about him, and never had them challenged (he is the spare so his reputation is less important than Wills) I can appreciate why he would reach a point and not be able to cope with it anymore. Then added to that the many layers of trauma with the death of his mom. I lost my dad, and immediately after looked for blame, he died suddenly from cancer and it made no sense to me. Knowing how I felt, I can’t imagine how it would feel knowing there was actually someone to blame for his mothers death, and not only did they not try and help, they stood back to get their pictures and then got away without any kind of punishment. That’s a shit tonne of emotional damage to deal with. Those same people who hounded and killed his mom, then go on to do the same to him, and then his wife. Why is anyone surprised he has had enough? If the royal press offices had made a few stories go away, or put the odd statement out over the years, he may not have got to the point whereby he feels no support from anyone in his family.

If Harry talks and spills all the gossip, I think he is hoping the press intrusion will end. Let’s face it, now he isn’t a working royal, he isn’t been funded by the tax payer, and he needs the money.

I’ve heard a very interesting interview with a Royal Family academic from City University. She thinks we are asking the wrong questions about the RF. The bigger issues are power and finance. I have some sympathy with this. They have few checks and balances. I would actually like the press to start looking into the power more closely. This episode is a side show. It’s more intense than previous scandals due to social media. However it’s just a repeat of Edward VIII. He was frozen out and Harry has frozen himself out!

Charles wants a slimmed down monarchy. He was said to want a slimmed down coronation. Not so sure if will be but he really needs to do this. The press has been used by the RF for generations. It’s a case of living with the press if they are legally reporting. Just do not dish the dirt.

Un conscious bias I think. Whatever the hell unconcious bias is.

Ricco - so Harry is cross that the press said Megan was like his mother? That’s what he says himself! If she hadn’t been in the papers he’d say she’d be ignored or sidelined!

Agree - it was perfectly clear.

But what is less clear is why someone would start a thread judging his lack of clarity when all they've done is listen to the sound bites picked out by the press.

If you want to know what his issues are, why not watch the show. Literally from the horses mouth.

So true. I do wonder what did she really think it was going to be like? Most people with a half a brain cell can see that it's a luxurious(ish - those castles can be drafty) lifestyle, but a boring life (knowing that you'll be at the Cenotaph in November, Sandringham at Christmas, etc etc year after year after year).

She desperately wanted to be a celebrity so she wanted the attention - but she didn't want the duty. I think the evidence is she couldn't be bothered with learning anything about protocol (registering her occupation as a 'princess of England' on Archie's birth certificate etc) and that's not the palace's fault - she had advisers. And if she didn't get why it was important, as you say, Harry should have made her aware.

For existing at all.

“What power have you got?”

“Where did you get it from?”

“In whose interests do you use it?”

“To whom are you accountable?”

“How do we get rid of you?”

I think at the time of the engagement Meghan WAS the most popular royal! Because she was new and interesting and different and we all wanted to "get to know" her and see what she had to offer. But there being a lot of public interest in her isn't the same as being the most popular for ever and ever, is it?

Harry kept to the usual way that public interviews are often conducted - have 3 points and keep repeating them. In his case he stuck to one - the press and it being fed stories by "they". Any question that Tom asked was diverted back to this to avoid answering anything tricky. H avoided using Camilla's name mostly calling her his stepmother. He seemed unable to use names and I imagine this may well be to enable him to pursue this. Don't look in their face when you shoot them as it's easier that way. Think of them as chess pieces perhaps? He tried to show his "funny side" by asking if Tom would like to reveal how he lost his virginity. Mostly he sniffed his way through the interview and talked about the press and how what happens to him and M will have ramifications around the world.

I am also finding it difficult to fully understand the complaints when the one example given was proven not to come from a member of the RF.

He accused Charles of leaking 'Megixt' before they had a chance to properly talk about it, claiming that several details eg the offer to give up their titles came directly from an email that he sent to his father (at his fathers insistence in wanting it in writing before they spoke).

However the journalist/one of the journalists that broke that story (I don't know if he broke it first) says they had the details a couple of weeks before the email was sent to Charles, and the only comms team he'd been speaking to was H&Ms.

As much as he clearly lied, misled and gaslighted in that interview i strongly suspect some of it was steeped in truth

I think it’s highly likely that Kate and William didn’t warm to or accept Meghan, I don’t think they wanted the fab 4 at all. But to be the stars. I actually suspect Kate may have been the more resistant to sharing rhe limelight.

I don’t for one moment though believe Charles was briefing against him or jealous of Meghan. That’s batshit.

But they did defend him and her and they treated her better than the other women in the royal family kate had almost ten years of abuse they were asking for the press to back off meghan almost immediately

I thought it was clear, too.

Whether you agree with him or not I didn’t find it lacking in clarity.

I do wish people would stop parroting the daily mail’s incorrect use of the psychiatric term word salad.

No Harry wasn't cross but he understand how it's not acceptable for a non royal to be the most popular.
But what he is cross about is how the RF trashed her reputation to protect there own popularity

Let's be honest the RF are extremely dysfunctional and who would want to be part of that circus. The relationship with the press is madness, it trumps anything and everything in that family. He explained because they are public funded it's like the press feel they own them, the clip of Diana storming up to them when she was holidaying with her kids and telling them to leave them alone seemed so sad but that's how there life is. It must be awful to live like that. They have zero privacy.

If his whole problem is the leaking thing, then why is he saying about everything else that has ever "gone wrong or happened " to him?

He was very explicit about what the RF had done.

Its the family leaking stories to the press and using Harry Meghan to distract from other bad stories about other family members.

In the netflix series he talks about how Charles and William put out a statement about his leaving that he hadn't even seen or approved and what was said wasn't accurate. He also said himself and William had a pact that their own press offices would never 'leak' stories about each other as he had seen that happen with his Mum and Dad but then William's press office started doing it and he spoke to William who then did nothing. So a broken pact.

Stories leaked are from unnamed palace sources which RF deny are actual palace sources but then its turned out it really is coming from the people in the palace.

And mostly about the vile stories in the press e.g. Jeremey Clarkson comment as one example, the way they pit Kate and Meghan against each other and we've seen the headlines compared, that this has led William to believe some of those stories

And there's the whole problem! The whole leaking/planting/briefing against the Sussexes doesn't appeal to the media as much as the nice snappy sound bites and sensationalist stories the media likes to focus on.