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William and Harry at Prince Philips Funeral

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SuperFi · 08/01/2023 11:59

I don’t usually post on this board, but I found the account of what passed between William and Harry at Prince Philips funeral to be heartbreaking. Especially when William tries to keep hold of Harry and tells him that he loves him.

Where will it all end?

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BethDuttonsTwin · 14/01/2023 10:17

Can anyone tell me if Meghan’s suicidal ideation was covered in the book? Why Harry didn’t pick up the phone to his therapist to help her, when his therapist was the first person he called after he had his necklace broken?

Also in light of his recent denials of the BRF being “racist” are the events surrounding this covered in the book? The discussions about Archie’s skin colour etc? Given the uproar both of the above assertions created I would imagine he went into them in some detail didn’t he?

SirVixofVixHall · 14/01/2023 10:18

Ridemeginger · 14/01/2023 09:04

This is so fascinating, thanks for the link.

I always feel that William has the air of "designated driver" about him. He has to stay sober to ensure everyone gets home safe, but gets jibes for being a square from the very people who will be depending on him for a free and safe ride.

I don't doubt for a minute, though, that he has experienced just as much grief and unresolved pain over the circumstances of his mother's death as Harry has, and may be messed up in his own way. The flip side of Harry feeling ignored may well be that William felt the spotlight was now all on him, as his mother's lookalike and the future king. He was only 14 and burdened with grief and duty. However, he appears to have embraced the duty. His reward is to be branded stiff, stuffy, angry etc.

The designated driver ! I agree. That is just how he comes across to me too. It must be so frustrating to carry all the responsibilities, and then have your brother act as though you are the special, more privileged one while he is hard done by.
I think it also didn’t help him that he was very tall fairly early on, so at Princess Diana’s funeral Harry looked like a small boy and William like a young man, even though they were both children.

Coucous · 14/01/2023 11:16

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toomuchlaundry · 14/01/2023 11:21

Well Beatrice managed to have a quiet wedding.

Coucous · 14/01/2023 11:21

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limoncello23 · 14/01/2023 11:38

toomuchlaundry · 14/01/2023 11:21

Well Beatrice managed to have a quiet wedding.

Beatrice is not Harry. It suited everyone for it to be private, not least because Prince Andrew is her father and her wedding was after the BBC interview with him. It looks like her family pulled some special things (dress, tiara) out to make up for her having to change her plans due to the pandemic.

Harry had more constraints on his wedding because the monarchy thrives on a bit of pageantry and he was a working royal. He would have had to have been more stubborn than Anne or Philip combined to go against family and public expectations and have a genuinely private wedding. It's also well known that the wedding turned out to be more stressful than could possibly have been anticipated. It's not surprising they are ambivalent now.

BlackFriday · 14/01/2023 11:42

""the huge spectacle for the world" - she clearly did not want that."

Bollocks! Of COURSE she wanted that. It was her gateway event into global recognition. It's only afterwards that she has re-written the narrative.

Blossomtoes · 14/01/2023 11:44

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Harry says they’re not 🤷‍♀️

BlackFriday · 14/01/2023 11:49

Well, Harry clearly has no idea what racism is or is not as he is only parroting selected excerpts from Meghan's views. But regardless, the story here is that they very clearly allowed the world to interpret what they alleged as racism but it's a bit late to row back now. But of course, that's exactly what he wants.

Coucous · 14/01/2023 12:08

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Ohgodthepain · 14/01/2023 12:09

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At the engagement interview they were gushing about how welcome everyone had made her feel.

Bakeacaketoday73 · 14/01/2023 12:10

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 14/01/2023 01:23

I'm reading the book too, find that part desperately sad as well.
I can see it from both sides.
As in, William says, he just wants him to be happy, and invoked the "code" to try and convey how serious he is
I genuinely do think he wants him to be.
Harry though, as he said, do they even know him at all, are they even listening when he talks about his experiences , because if they are how do they not understand why he wants to step away a bit from the media Intrusion and obsession?
It's a mess all round

..also Harry is being two faced - he says he wants to step away from the media intrusion and obsession, but what he does is court it waaaay more than before.

If he really wanted to be "away from the media" he could use his millions to buy a mansion on a scottish island and you know, just be Harry, away from the media. Or use one of their Isles of Scilly properties.

Anonymouseposter · 14/01/2023 12:19

I did have a certain sympathy for Harry although I thought his actions were ill advised. The more I hear, he is coming over as unpleasant and self centred with very little empathy for others. The old adage ‘ it’s better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt’ comes to mind. I think he has been protected but now there is nothing that can be done to protect him further, so the king can relax on that count, although I suspect he is saddened by the situation.

Blossomtoes · 14/01/2023 12:25

If quoting women who would be respectively 122 and 92 and who have both been dead for 20 years is the best evidence you can find for racism in the contemporary RF, forgive me for not finding your argument compelling @Coucous.

Coxspurplepippin · 14/01/2023 12:47

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They could have had any kind of wedding they wanted, including a small private wedding.

bakalava · 14/01/2023 12:54

It is a barefaced lie. The queen would never have forced a divorcee to go through a £30m wedding against her will. 😁

Comedycook · 14/01/2023 12:56

When I read that account I actually felt so sorry for William. He sounded utterly exasperated.

Blossomtoes · 14/01/2023 14:08

Coxspurplepippin · 14/01/2023 12:47

They could have had any kind of wedding they wanted, including a small private wedding.

They certainly could. The more balanced and grounded members of the family have managed it. Zara’s wedding wasn’t a hoopla, nor was Anne’s second one.

Hbh17 · 14/01/2023 14:23

I read a book extract that said Harry suggested a private wedding in Africa, then agreed it wouldn't be possible. But that he then suggested both Westminster Abbey and St Paul's - and William had to tell him that St Paul's would be too grand, also "Pa and Mummy did it there". So the kindest interpretation is that Harry was both contradictory AND up for a big, fancy wedding.
(There are many other things one might say about Harry, but still....).

Ridemeginger · 14/01/2023 15:33

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I know Harry likes to talk to the dead, but how on earth could the views of these women, both of whom died in 2002, have effected Meghan during her time with Harry?

Coucous · 14/01/2023 15:38

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Coxspurplepippin · 14/01/2023 15:40

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Or perhaps he could see what was happening and was worried for his brother.

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