William and Harry at Prince Philips Funeral

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I don’t usually post on this board, but I found the account of what passed between William and Harry at Prince Philips funeral to be heartbreaking. Especially when William tries to keep hold of Harry and tells him that he loves him.

Where will it all end?

@lippylippy

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Well, as other people have read the book, it turns out that H was not 'bragging' about his Taliban kills, as the press pretended he did.

I will wait till Tuesday when I receive my book and probably would like to listen to H reading it out too, hear what the rest of the context is.

In my view, the whole book is a reflection of his life. How he was brought up and how he acted as a result.

Well, as other people have read the book, it turns out that H was not 'bragging' about his Taliban kills, as the press pretended he did.

I've read the section on Afghanistan in the English version. It definitely came across better than the snippets published. But he still talked about numbers that he killed. He said he wasn't proud but he wasn't ashamed either. He talked about them being pieces on a chessboard and killing baddies to save goodies. The style softens it, certainly, but it doesn't change the actual content. And the argument the army has against him is that an actual number should never have been given.
I'm sure you'll love the book, though, regardless of what he writes.

I wonder if any of the charities of which he is a patron will be having a rethink after reading this account of mocking an older disabled woman.

Yes, more context would be good.

If there is and he has learnt by it, did he have to name her? The way the bullying is described is really nasty. No need for that much detail about her disability, surely?

The only time I would defend William is if I thought he had moved away from that world (those thoughts).
So far, he has not displayed any change at all. None at all.
From him telling Africans to stop breeding to him repeating 'angry black woman' tropes etc.

If I see him evolving, I would defend him.

To me, he is carrying on with the bigoted rf stance and I dread the idea of him becoming our head.

That is revolting yet doesn’t surprise me one bit. He’s always come across to me as an insensitive, faux woke bellend. PW seems like a much more empathic person

And Meghan went on a date with him because she asked if he was 'kind'. Wonder who she asked, because they certainly lied!

I don’t think you get it.

This is Harry’s story. From Harry’s point of view. It will be biased. As we all are when telling outside.

Harry has been called dickhead for the things he has wrote himself. There’s no room for doubt, because these are Harry’s own words.

The allegations against William are coming from Harry. There’s no proof. Especially over the ring. As some sources state they always had an agreement whoever got married first would use it.

But they’re proof Harry is saying some really awful stuff in this Book. Saying some really ill advised things in this book. People are judging Harry by what he has written.

Not by what someone else is saying about him, there’s the difference.

Can't see why the charities will have a 'rethink'.

Harry was aged 8-13 at Ludgrove.
If anything, him associating with these charities has opened his eyes to what people with disabilities have to deal with and so on. They have been a life lesson for him. Why would they cut him off for that.

Even if it's a false name and even if (hopefully) he expresses shame for his bullying, there can't have been that many matrons at Ludgrove while he was there, let alone with those specific disabilities. IMO, she is potentially identifiable.

Also, whatever the shortcomings of his upbringing, I find it very difficult to imagine Diana or Charles thinking it acceptable behaviour.

Thus until about now, ots,about how they behaved then.
And basically you'd defend Harry because it was his upbringing and school's fault. But you wouldn't defend William even though he had the same upbringing and school.
If Harry hadn't married Meghan, you'd be condemning him too. But because Meghan is biracial, you have decided Harry, by association, is above reproach.

It’s going to depends on wether he shows remorse.

However, she is easily identifiable and there was no need for that.

Would you appreciate finding out your mothers had been taken the Piss out of, because of her disability via an amusing anecdote in a book that will be read by millions?

I'm not a Harry fan, but shouldn’t we admit our flaws even if they paint us in an unfavourable light?

Poor Pat though. If I was in pain schoolboys taking the piss would upset me.

If Harry hadn't married Meghan, you'd be condemning him too. But because Meghan is biracial, you have decided Harry, by association, is above reproach.

Let's be honest, that's why many people will continue to defend their actions and place blame on everyone but H&M

Yes, there's no problem admitting his own character flaws, it's invading the privacy of others and being so unkind that's the issue really.

Yes, he had to name her. I am glad he does.

It shows he is thinking about her as a real person. How many times have we heard about a posho trampling over a poor person without any acknowledgement at all - because they are an insignificant scrap at the bottom of their shoes. Here, he is proving that he thinks about her. He is haunted by this. He knows her name and recognises her as a person.
He acknowledges what horror him and his mates did to her. We don't know how or wether this lady's life was changed by flippant pre-teens. But it goes a long way to recognise, acknowledge and see her

What if she doesn't want to be "seen"? What if she has put the overprivileged little bully behind her and (assuming she is still alive) just wants to forget the whole thing. What if her family can identify her from this? It isn't actually all about Harry, oddly enough

Doubtless you will tell us that he tracked her down, visited with a huge bunch of flowers, begged her forgiveness and asked permission to include her in his book. If so, fair enough, but you don't know that is the case at all.

Part of me wonders if he's telling everything because he's getting there first before stories of him leak from elsewhere. I do hope somewhere in the text about Pat there's some sort of comment on how ashamed of himself he feels now he's older.

The personal things about his dad and Wills though are just spiteful

I should hope they are

I think we both know the answer to that.

It seems, yet again, that everything bad Harry does is never his fault, but his brother's/families fault

Surely both Harry and William are damaged people? How could they not be, given their upbringing. I have known plenty of old Etonians and they are all a bit damaged tbh - without the whole shitshow William and Harry were exposed to.

I’ll read the book - partly because the media reports are cherry picked and I am curious to see whether actually he did say it as described in the headlines. I suspect the meaning has been twisted at least some of the time.

Or maybe she is appreciative that he actually remembers her and what he had done. And recognises her as a person.

I remember reading a book from Walter Sisulu (one of Nelson Mandela prison mates). He recounts how his father - who was white, was assigned to his village for magistrate duties. He fell in love and 'married' his mother and they had kids. They were a family and the apartheid government was not happy (ofcourse), so they reassigned him to Pretoria. He never kept in touch with her nor his kids. Fastforward a few years later, he goes to his court and looks him in the eye. He never recognised him at all ! I found this so heartbreaking.

I also watched films/ read real life when someone rapes a woman and does not even recognise them later. Just a speck in their lives.

Perhaps H has had some aspects when he cannot remember, who knows. But, I am really happy with him acknowledging and recognising this woman.

Don't get this twisted either, I am not saying the situations have the same effect, but the first start is acknowledging what you have done to someone . I'm not seeing much of that in the RF.

Give over.
You said you were glad he named her.

Not even that you bet he spoke to her before hand. Or ‘maybe he has spoke to before’. Or you wonder if she is happy to be identified. Your mind is made up that’s it a good thing. No other option that it being good. You said you are glad.

No idea what the story vaguely connected to Nelson Mandela is about. It’s shocking a father doesn’t recognise his own son. What has that got to with Harry and a woman that worked at his school?

I have been raped. My rapist doesn’t recognise me. As I was going when it happened. That’s a good thing for me. My mother was disabled, similar disabilities. If this was about her, it would have broke her.

Loads of us has said the context of this will be key and so it’s hard to judge. But that means hard to judge either way. But you seem entirely convinced anything Harry does, must be a good thing for all involved. Even when you have no clue.

But let’s just assume the disabled woman who he took the piss out of because he she wasn’t wank worthy, will be happy to have this in a book. Just so you can praise him

@notanotheroneagain That is an incredibly sad story about Walter Sisulu.

Acknowledging you've done wrong is a good thing, no one can deny that. I genuinely feel though that unless Harry has done more due diligence than is apparent with other elements of the book (numbering kills for eg was in no way a good idea) this could actually result in repercussions for her/her family, like having a DM intern on the doorstep in search of a quote and some story appearing whatever.

I do honestly hope that he has changed a lot of details though and nothing like that can happen.