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William and Harry at Prince Philips Funeral

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SuperFi · 08/01/2023 11:59

I don’t usually post on this board, but I found the account of what passed between William and Harry at Prince Philips funeral to be heartbreaking. Especially when William tries to keep hold of Harry and tells him that he loves him.

Where will it all end?

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bakalava · 08/01/2023 15:51

It was tragic and beautiful. Does he realize how it humanizes William who needed a boost in that department? K & W may as well cancel their PR budget for the next five years thanks to Harry. How could he possibly think that he would look good in that scenario? It seems obvious that he is surrounded by people who are trying to destroy his new media career rather than boost it. Even a ten year old would recognize it as being an awful strategy. He is goin to end up in that novelty freak show off Venice beach if this carries on.

SuperFi · 08/01/2023 16:21

Agree @bakalava you have to wonder who on earth is advising Harry, and what their motives are…..

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notanotheroneagain · 08/01/2023 16:22

No idea what the story vaguely connected to Nelson Mandela is about. It’s shocking a father doesn’t recognise his own son. What has that got to with Harry and a woman that worked at his school?

I have been raped. My rapist doesn’t recognise me. As I was going when it happened. That’s a good thing for me. My mother was disabled, similar disabilities. If this was about her, it would have broke her.

My heart goes out to you with being raped.

You do seem to have missed my whole point that by recognising her and her name, she was not some speck of trash he passed over.

I really hope your rapist is forever haunted by your face and name. 💐

Snippedasababy · 08/01/2023 16:46

notanotheroneagain · 08/01/2023 16:22

No idea what the story vaguely connected to Nelson Mandela is about. It’s shocking a father doesn’t recognise his own son. What has that got to with Harry and a woman that worked at his school?

I have been raped. My rapist doesn’t recognise me. As I was going when it happened. That’s a good thing for me. My mother was disabled, similar disabilities. If this was about her, it would have broke her.

My heart goes out to you with being raped.

You do seem to have missed my whole point that by recognising her and her name, she was not some speck of trash he passed over.

I really hope your rapist is forever haunted by your face and name. 💐

No you have missed the point.

That man may have wanted to be recognised by his dad. Who wouldn’t? That’s a situation that’s so far removed from what Harry has wrote.

The fact that some rape victims may feel worse by their rapists not recognising them, doesn’t mean all or most feel that way.

Just like you can’t assume that this woman will feel empowered by being recognised.

It could be that he has spoken to her and she is glad. But it’s very odd to assume that’s happened or that she will feel delighted by this.

StatisticallyChallenged · 08/01/2023 16:47

Re the comment about wanting to attend Harry's therapy sessions - wasn't it made public a couple of years ago that Kate's brother had struggled seriously with his mental health and that he'd had extensive therapy, some of which included sessions with his family supporting him. Including Kate. He seems to be in a much better place now.

Given that context William's request makes total sense to me.

But I also read the whole story as a fairly desperate William trying to get through the brother he loves and is (to him) trying to save from a pretty dark place. And that's how this book (from what we know) comes across. It's a rehashing of every tiny greivance he can find all the way back to childhood. Even written from Harry's perspective it doesn't convince as a tale of woe - it comes across as an angry bitter man who has convinved himself he is not loved by his family.

MarshaMelrose · 08/01/2023 16:56

Or maybe she is appreciative that he actually remembers her and what he had done

Being bullied by Harry. Yes. I'm sure it gives a little burst of pleasure every time she thinks of it.

toomuchlaundry · 08/01/2023 17:03

@Snippedasababy I am so sorry for what happened to you.

@notanotheroneagain if a rapist wrote a book and named and described his victims, would that be okay because he was sorry?

GwenogJones · 08/01/2023 21:00

Yes, he had to name her. I am glad he does.

It shows he is thinking about her as a real person.

Give over! In the extract it's quoted that he calls her "not much of a thing, always with a tired face and greasy hair". He calls her a thing! and you think he sees her as a real person?

There is no need for that description. None at all.

He comments negatively on her hair as if that has any bearing on anything. Because he wants to tell us precisely why this one particular woman didn't pass muster with his prepubescent dick.
It's not enough to say 'there was an older one I didn't like and I was little shit to her' he lays out her physical flaws (as he sees them) for everyone to hear (presumably so we can agree - yes, she was unfanciable).

It's bad enough what he did to humiliate her when he was a child, but describing her this way - when she is so clearly identifiable by her place of work, job role, time she was there and disability (and that's even giving him the courtesy of assuming he changed her name) is just humiliating her all over again!

Even if he does show some self reflection and this passage comes with a heartfelt apology, the way he has talked about her in his narration shows he has not reflected far enough and still has no idea what is hurtful and what is not, or what is acceptable and what is not.

Even if he did reach out to Pat and ask if he could include what he did to her (unlikely) he probably didn't check 'can I call you a thing with greasy hair?' first.

Even if the passage turns it around completely and in full context Pat comes out a hero, he knows how royal books get serialised and bits taken out of context and published that way for the entire nation to read. Even not expecting a leak like has happened, he still knew that most people would hear about Pat via what the Daily Mail chose to include and not by reading his overpriced book. Therefore, even if the context absolves him of the continued bullying, he still didn't take due care to protect Pat and she is humiliated nevertheless.

If Harry wants to make a total tit of himself by telling us anecdotes about his cock, it's his cock - have at it. If he wants to paint a target on his family's back by counting taliban deaths - he's a dangerous muppet but he can do him, Meghan can work out for herself what she should do with a man that values her and her children's safety so lightly. When it comes to hurting the RF, this book is just the tip of the iceberg, he's been hurting them for a long time now - they are probably no more hurt than they were this time last week and they can at least see how public opinion is more and more on their side.

But the way he has singled out this one, ordinary woman, with no millions and no protection, and made her identifiable, described her greasy hair and stiff knees for the whole world to look at is totally disgusting and unforgivable. And anyone who even thinks about defending it should stop and consider how they would feel if their greasy hair was put in a book that was going to be sold across the globe and printed in papers.

I'm not sure Pat feels "seen" as much as she feels exposed. Despite never doing anything to invite public scrutiny herself, despite showing immense loyalty and professionalism in keeping quiet for 25 years about what a bullying little shit Hazza the good time prince was, we can all see her now, in her tired faced, deviated spined, unfanciable glory - just so the poor prince can earn another 36 mil to keep the lights on in his Montecito mansion. He had no right to do this to her and doing it was abhorrent. Defending it is little better.

DerangedViper · 08/01/2023 21:34

Good post @GwenogJones

SuperFi · 08/01/2023 21:34

@GwenogJones agreed, it’s just vile.

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Bluebelleggs · 08/01/2023 21:50

GwenogJones · 08/01/2023 21:00

Yes, he had to name her. I am glad he does.

It shows he is thinking about her as a real person.

Give over! In the extract it's quoted that he calls her "not much of a thing, always with a tired face and greasy hair". He calls her a thing! and you think he sees her as a real person?

There is no need for that description. None at all.

He comments negatively on her hair as if that has any bearing on anything. Because he wants to tell us precisely why this one particular woman didn't pass muster with his prepubescent dick.
It's not enough to say 'there was an older one I didn't like and I was little shit to her' he lays out her physical flaws (as he sees them) for everyone to hear (presumably so we can agree - yes, she was unfanciable).

It's bad enough what he did to humiliate her when he was a child, but describing her this way - when she is so clearly identifiable by her place of work, job role, time she was there and disability (and that's even giving him the courtesy of assuming he changed her name) is just humiliating her all over again!

Even if he does show some self reflection and this passage comes with a heartfelt apology, the way he has talked about her in his narration shows he has not reflected far enough and still has no idea what is hurtful and what is not, or what is acceptable and what is not.

Even if he did reach out to Pat and ask if he could include what he did to her (unlikely) he probably didn't check 'can I call you a thing with greasy hair?' first.

Even if the passage turns it around completely and in full context Pat comes out a hero, he knows how royal books get serialised and bits taken out of context and published that way for the entire nation to read. Even not expecting a leak like has happened, he still knew that most people would hear about Pat via what the Daily Mail chose to include and not by reading his overpriced book. Therefore, even if the context absolves him of the continued bullying, he still didn't take due care to protect Pat and she is humiliated nevertheless.

If Harry wants to make a total tit of himself by telling us anecdotes about his cock, it's his cock - have at it. If he wants to paint a target on his family's back by counting taliban deaths - he's a dangerous muppet but he can do him, Meghan can work out for herself what she should do with a man that values her and her children's safety so lightly. When it comes to hurting the RF, this book is just the tip of the iceberg, he's been hurting them for a long time now - they are probably no more hurt than they were this time last week and they can at least see how public opinion is more and more on their side.

But the way he has singled out this one, ordinary woman, with no millions and no protection, and made her identifiable, described her greasy hair and stiff knees for the whole world to look at is totally disgusting and unforgivable. And anyone who even thinks about defending it should stop and consider how they would feel if their greasy hair was put in a book that was going to be sold across the globe and printed in papers.

I'm not sure Pat feels "seen" as much as she feels exposed. Despite never doing anything to invite public scrutiny herself, despite showing immense loyalty and professionalism in keeping quiet for 25 years about what a bullying little shit Hazza the good time prince was, we can all see her now, in her tired faced, deviated spined, unfanciable glory - just so the poor prince can earn another 36 mil to keep the lights on in his Montecito mansion. He had no right to do this to her and doing it was abhorrent. Defending it is little better.

Totally agree.

KateofGhent · 08/01/2023 22:21

Did you notice when PH kept saying William called him Harold. Why?
Is his title since his birth Prince Henry ? I know he's been referred to as Prince Harry since a baby, as it's a diminutive of Henry, but I can't think why he's been called Harold by his own brother.

KezzabellaB · 08/01/2023 22:26

KateofGhent · 08/01/2023 22:21

Did you notice when PH kept saying William called him Harold. Why?
Is his title since his birth Prince Henry ? I know he's been referred to as Prince Harry since a baby, as it's a diminutive of Henry, but I can't think why he's been called Harold by his own brother.

I assumed it was nicknames they have for each other - he also referred to William as Willy
So, brothers nicknames - Harold and Willy

WomanhoodIsABirthright · 08/01/2023 22:48

Legrandetraitor · 08/01/2023 12:26

This. My heart breaks for William.

it would be interesting to see if Harry explains what is said before this. I’m assuming it’s trying to get Harry help/explain they think he is unwell (as above was said in another part of the book).

meghan has exploited him terribly and the result is awful. He’s clearly an idiot given his willingness to admit stuff like the Matron bullying but for fuck sake why has she let him publish this book?!

To isolate him further.

oviraptor21 · 08/01/2023 22:54

Well said @GwenogJones . As someone who was bullied as a child, the very worst thing my bully could do would be to publish the story, expose my humiliation again and make money at my expense.

DuckBored · 08/01/2023 23:33

@GwenogJones totally agree. Really well written post.

SuperFi · 09/01/2023 01:14

I think ultimately Harry has been hoisted by his own petard.

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FictionalCharacter · 09/01/2023 23:40

@GwenogJones Well said. I wish someone would challenge him about that. It would be interesting to see how he responds.

Blossomtoes · 09/01/2023 23:50

Very well said @GwenogJones. That passage is abhorrent.

Frankola · 10/01/2023 13:17

He says he wants reconciliation but there are clear instances in his book of William trying to sort things, telling him he loves him and he wants him to be happy. Harry says he didn't believe him. So what good is it then? Harry doesn't want reconciliation at all. He wants to be a mayrtyr

SirVixofVixHall · 10/01/2023 14:34

GwenogJones · 08/01/2023 21:00

Yes, he had to name her. I am glad he does.

It shows he is thinking about her as a real person.

Give over! In the extract it's quoted that he calls her "not much of a thing, always with a tired face and greasy hair". He calls her a thing! and you think he sees her as a real person?

There is no need for that description. None at all.

He comments negatively on her hair as if that has any bearing on anything. Because he wants to tell us precisely why this one particular woman didn't pass muster with his prepubescent dick.
It's not enough to say 'there was an older one I didn't like and I was little shit to her' he lays out her physical flaws (as he sees them) for everyone to hear (presumably so we can agree - yes, she was unfanciable).

It's bad enough what he did to humiliate her when he was a child, but describing her this way - when she is so clearly identifiable by her place of work, job role, time she was there and disability (and that's even giving him the courtesy of assuming he changed her name) is just humiliating her all over again!

Even if he does show some self reflection and this passage comes with a heartfelt apology, the way he has talked about her in his narration shows he has not reflected far enough and still has no idea what is hurtful and what is not, or what is acceptable and what is not.

Even if he did reach out to Pat and ask if he could include what he did to her (unlikely) he probably didn't check 'can I call you a thing with greasy hair?' first.

Even if the passage turns it around completely and in full context Pat comes out a hero, he knows how royal books get serialised and bits taken out of context and published that way for the entire nation to read. Even not expecting a leak like has happened, he still knew that most people would hear about Pat via what the Daily Mail chose to include and not by reading his overpriced book. Therefore, even if the context absolves him of the continued bullying, he still didn't take due care to protect Pat and she is humiliated nevertheless.

If Harry wants to make a total tit of himself by telling us anecdotes about his cock, it's his cock - have at it. If he wants to paint a target on his family's back by counting taliban deaths - he's a dangerous muppet but he can do him, Meghan can work out for herself what she should do with a man that values her and her children's safety so lightly. When it comes to hurting the RF, this book is just the tip of the iceberg, he's been hurting them for a long time now - they are probably no more hurt than they were this time last week and they can at least see how public opinion is more and more on their side.

But the way he has singled out this one, ordinary woman, with no millions and no protection, and made her identifiable, described her greasy hair and stiff knees for the whole world to look at is totally disgusting and unforgivable. And anyone who even thinks about defending it should stop and consider how they would feel if their greasy hair was put in a book that was going to be sold across the globe and printed in papers.

I'm not sure Pat feels "seen" as much as she feels exposed. Despite never doing anything to invite public scrutiny herself, despite showing immense loyalty and professionalism in keeping quiet for 25 years about what a bullying little shit Hazza the good time prince was, we can all see her now, in her tired faced, deviated spined, unfanciable glory - just so the poor prince can earn another 36 mil to keep the lights on in his Montecito mansion. He had no right to do this to her and doing it was abhorrent. Defending it is little better.

Totally agree with this.

Ohgodthepain · 13/01/2023 18:59

@GwenogJones I really hope the press pick up your comment, It would do Harry good to read it .

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 14/01/2023 01:23

Harrysfrostbittentodger · 08/01/2023 12:18

That’s a hard read. William swore on his mother’s life, they both know how serious this is to invoke her memory and swear on her name, yet Harry still thinks William’s declaration that he still loves him and just wants him to he ‘happy’ is insincere.

They are never going to reconcile are they?

I'm reading the book too, find that part desperately sad as well.
I can see it from both sides.
As in, William says, he just wants him to be happy, and invoked the "code" to try and convey how serious he is
I genuinely do think he wants him to be.
Harry though, as he said, do they even know him at all, are they even listening when he talks about his experiences , because if they are how do they not understand why he wants to step away a bit from the media Intrusion and obsession?
It's a mess all round

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 14/01/2023 01:25

KateofGhent · 08/01/2023 22:21

Did you notice when PH kept saying William called him Harold. Why?
Is his title since his birth Prince Henry ? I know he's been referred to as Prince Harry since a baby, as it's a diminutive of Henry, but I can't think why he's been called Harold by his own brother.

They're nicknames they've given each other.
Are you reading the book?

Mummyoflittledragon · 14/01/2023 07:06

notanotheroneagain · 08/01/2023 12:37

Surely, if anything it shows the kind of environment he grew up in at the palace. Where this (and other racism) is permissible.

It would NEVER occur to my dc, for example, to dish out this kind of treatment. They would not even think of it. It would not even occur to them that you can actually do this, that it would be an option is beyond the realms of their imagination.

Harry was a boarder from age 8. I think it would be pretty Lord of the flies at times. I can’t imagine this having anything to do with the palace. KC was badly bullied at Gordonstoun, no one blamed those kid’s parents.

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