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William and Harry at Prince Philips Funeral

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SuperFi · 08/01/2023 11:59

I don’t usually post on this board, but I found the account of what passed between William and Harry at Prince Philips funeral to be heartbreaking. Especially when William tries to keep hold of Harry and tells him that he loves him.

Where will it all end?

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Yiayoula · 14/01/2023 08:47

@HoppingPavlova : 👏👏👏👏👏👏
My sentiments exactly .

HaroldeVwilliam · 14/01/2023 08:49

@Coucous ..yes id like to know more about that.
I suspect that people want to concentrate on their own families at the end of the day and Charles perhaps didn't want interfering people?

Sorry I didn't see comment above about that I replied to the lower one. .

Coucous · 14/01/2023 08:58

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MarshaMelrose · 14/01/2023 08:58

HaroldeVwilliam · 14/01/2023 08:43

Argh I see Marsha. Well you seem to remember that one clip very well? I only remember it because I was gobsmacked.

Ok so William and the medic's were all having a good laugh at desperately worried people with coughs.

Oh well, if you're going to be silly, there's no point discussing it. 🙄

Coucous · 14/01/2023 09:01

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StatisticallyChallenged · 14/01/2023 09:03

Serenster · 14/01/2023 08:39

And the wedding when they changed the seating arrangement because they wanted it done differently - not K+W's wedding to do that! Groomzilla and Bridezilla at someone else's wedding.

it’s now been reported that Harry and Meghan did this themselves when Meghan attended Pippa’s wedding as an evening guest. (In Finding Freedom it said the table plan had couples seated separately).

I think we’ll be waiting a long time before you describe them as Groomzilla and Bridezilla themselves though…

Harry also reports that W&K denied doing it and said it was someone else.

Perhaps it was Pippa?

Ridemeginger · 14/01/2023 09:04

BethDuttonsTwin · 14/01/2023 08:04

This is known as “splitting” for anyone who’s interested. And is a symptom of various personality disorders and MH issues. Personally I think Harry has a personality disorder of some kind and extremely low emotional intelligence. Also his description of his behaviour as a child/teen and his family’s exasperation with his behaviour sounds very familiar to me from my previous work/study, and later being married (disastrously) to a man with undiagnosed ADHD. Undiagnosed and untreated ADHD has a notable correlation with the later development of personality disorders. This is the world we live in now though, extreme, unhealthy victimhood resulting from mental illness and pathologies is celebrated and encouraged.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology)

This is so fascinating, thanks for the link.

I always feel that William has the air of "designated driver" about him. He has to stay sober to ensure everyone gets home safe, but gets jibes for being a square from the very people who will be depending on him for a free and safe ride.

I don't doubt for a minute, though, that he has experienced just as much grief and unresolved pain over the circumstances of his mother's death as Harry has, and may be messed up in his own way. The flip side of Harry feeling ignored may well be that William felt the spotlight was now all on him, as his mother's lookalike and the future king. He was only 14 and burdened with grief and duty. However, he appears to have embraced the duty. His reward is to be branded stiff, stuffy, angry etc.

Funkyblues101 · 14/01/2023 09:04

GwenogJones · 08/01/2023 21:00

Yes, he had to name her. I am glad he does.

It shows he is thinking about her as a real person.

Give over! In the extract it's quoted that he calls her "not much of a thing, always with a tired face and greasy hair". He calls her a thing! and you think he sees her as a real person?

There is no need for that description. None at all.

He comments negatively on her hair as if that has any bearing on anything. Because he wants to tell us precisely why this one particular woman didn't pass muster with his prepubescent dick.
It's not enough to say 'there was an older one I didn't like and I was little shit to her' he lays out her physical flaws (as he sees them) for everyone to hear (presumably so we can agree - yes, she was unfanciable).

It's bad enough what he did to humiliate her when he was a child, but describing her this way - when she is so clearly identifiable by her place of work, job role, time she was there and disability (and that's even giving him the courtesy of assuming he changed her name) is just humiliating her all over again!

Even if he does show some self reflection and this passage comes with a heartfelt apology, the way he has talked about her in his narration shows he has not reflected far enough and still has no idea what is hurtful and what is not, or what is acceptable and what is not.

Even if he did reach out to Pat and ask if he could include what he did to her (unlikely) he probably didn't check 'can I call you a thing with greasy hair?' first.

Even if the passage turns it around completely and in full context Pat comes out a hero, he knows how royal books get serialised and bits taken out of context and published that way for the entire nation to read. Even not expecting a leak like has happened, he still knew that most people would hear about Pat via what the Daily Mail chose to include and not by reading his overpriced book. Therefore, even if the context absolves him of the continued bullying, he still didn't take due care to protect Pat and she is humiliated nevertheless.

If Harry wants to make a total tit of himself by telling us anecdotes about his cock, it's his cock - have at it. If he wants to paint a target on his family's back by counting taliban deaths - he's a dangerous muppet but he can do him, Meghan can work out for herself what she should do with a man that values her and her children's safety so lightly. When it comes to hurting the RF, this book is just the tip of the iceberg, he's been hurting them for a long time now - they are probably no more hurt than they were this time last week and they can at least see how public opinion is more and more on their side.

But the way he has singled out this one, ordinary woman, with no millions and no protection, and made her identifiable, described her greasy hair and stiff knees for the whole world to look at is totally disgusting and unforgivable. And anyone who even thinks about defending it should stop and consider how they would feel if their greasy hair was put in a book that was going to be sold across the globe and printed in papers.

I'm not sure Pat feels "seen" as much as she feels exposed. Despite never doing anything to invite public scrutiny herself, despite showing immense loyalty and professionalism in keeping quiet for 25 years about what a bullying little shit Hazza the good time prince was, we can all see her now, in her tired faced, deviated spined, unfanciable glory - just so the poor prince can earn another 36 mil to keep the lights on in his Montecito mansion. He had no right to do this to her and doing it was abhorrent. Defending it is little better.

Thank you GwenogJones for the excellent post.
I hope it will give those who keep bleating on about Harry being "unwell" pause for thought.
Maybe he is just a highly unpleasant character who has been protected by the Palace all these years. It's certainly looking like it.

Blossomtoes · 14/01/2023 09:09

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He opened it via video link in April 2020. None of the staff in the Nightingale were wearing masks either.

MissMarpleRocks · 14/01/2023 09:14

Harry is coming across as a bit of a bully. It’s all about him & his wife & no concept that his family could be just as hurt as he is.

Saying that William now being bald resembles their mother less? That’s just nasty.

The matron at school - nasty.

I don’t doubt he’s hurt but he’s no right to bring others into his own trauma. Whatever therapy he’s had isn’t a great advert for it.

StatisticallyChallenged · 14/01/2023 09:17

Blossomtoes · 14/01/2023 09:09

He opened it via video link in April 2020. None of the staff in the Nightingale were wearing masks either.

I remember this actually, you are right it was video link.

radrado · 14/01/2023 09:25

Gosh that excerpt about the matron makes me feel a bit sick.

Zuve · 14/01/2023 09:27

Yes all so boring. I am no longer interested in this self entitled pair. Please stay in your big mansion in America

BlackFriday · 14/01/2023 09:35

Harry banging on about the "men in grey" (Diana's term) always controlling the narrative - has he never considered they were trying to protect him from the world finding out his true personality?
With everything he has revealed, deliberately or unwittingly, in this book,it seems they did a damn good job.

Ohnonevermind · 14/01/2023 09:40

I’ve not posted much in the last few days but Harry’s comments that he’s doing this to save Williams kids is so below the belt.

He doesn’t care about anyone else but himself but is prepared to use William’s kids to hurt his brother and score points

Mummyoflittledragon · 14/01/2023 09:40

Ridemeginger · 14/01/2023 09:04

This is so fascinating, thanks for the link.

I always feel that William has the air of "designated driver" about him. He has to stay sober to ensure everyone gets home safe, but gets jibes for being a square from the very people who will be depending on him for a free and safe ride.

I don't doubt for a minute, though, that he has experienced just as much grief and unresolved pain over the circumstances of his mother's death as Harry has, and may be messed up in his own way. The flip side of Harry feeling ignored may well be that William felt the spotlight was now all on him, as his mother's lookalike and the future king. He was only 14 and burdened with grief and duty. However, he appears to have embraced the duty. His reward is to be branded stiff, stuffy, angry etc.

It is unsurprising that he is like this. Diana parentified William. He was her confidante and he took on a kind of paternal role with Harry after Diana’s death.

Parentification. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parentification

I cannot imagine William tried to come in between the couple. I think it was more misinterpreted worry, which probably looked like control. He perhaps was aware of just how vulnerable Harry is. A person can be both vulnerable and not very nice btw, and the not very nice can also be a product of paranoia.

Harry probably was confused about his brother’s role and William. Not wanting to hang with him all the time therefore may have been very painful. But it’s totally normal for an older kid not to want to hang out with a younger brother during adolescence. William wanted to be with mates. No. Biggie.

HaroldeVwilliam · 14/01/2023 09:41

Oh well Marsha, if you are going to defend people laughing at worried parents with tricky access to any medical help during a once in a century pandemic that we didn't know how it operated, I also see absolutely no point in discussing this further either.

HaroldeVwilliam · 14/01/2023 09:46

@Ridemeginger

I agree with this.
I did witness William behaving like this once when out with a loud obnoxious group of pals,some of whom decided to strip.

William was constantly but in an amiable way asking them to put "it " away, and be quiet....he also seemed to be at the bar looking over a huge receipt.

I don't doubt that he , William has that carry over from Diana, that he genuinely cares for Harry.
But no one can usually comment when a couple find each other and are in love!
It never ever goes down well.

HaroldeVwilliam · 14/01/2023 09:49

Although whilst it's no Biggie " older brothers don't want to hang with younger" and that's absolutely Williams right. One can't deny how that would have stung Harry more than a usual sibling situation?

When William was possibly the only person on the planet who actually deeply cared for him?

TheVanguardSix · 14/01/2023 09:56

Ohgodthepain · 14/01/2023 08:42

Diana's brother said at her funeral "I pledge that we, your blood family, will do all we can to continue the imaginative way in which you were steering these two exceptional young men so that their souls are not simply immersed by duty and tradition but can sing openly as you planned…"

I'm not sure he kept his promise and both W and H are damaged, H more so .

Sad to remember that.
Diana’s family was messy. Earl Spencer’s ex wife is an addict and they were mid messy messy messy divorce when Diana died. I’m sure his intentions were good and his words were delivered with integrity but that family was in no position to offer the support those boys needed. He couldn’t deliver the goods and shouldn’t have used Diana’s funeral as his opportunity to slay the RF in an iron fist in velvet glove sort of way. If you’re going to say it, then do it. He didn’t. Those boys were brought up in the very way he said the ‘blood’ family would protect them from. They were such powerful words on the day. Empty ones now, these decades later.

Coxspurplepippin · 14/01/2023 09:56

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Odd with all this going on that Harry and Meghan, ya know, got married Hmm. In a big fuck off wedding paid for by the RF, with Meghan being walked up the aisle by Prince Charles.

toomuchlaundry · 14/01/2023 09:59

You have to wonder with all the hatred why Meghan let Charles walk her up the aisle. Was this covered in the book?

HaroldeVwilliam · 14/01/2023 09:59

YY vanguard six.

But the family wasn't just earl Spencer although he dominates center stage!
What about her sister's?

HaroldeVwilliam · 14/01/2023 10:00

Re wedding not really. .
What can they do if Harry wants to marry?
Don't they have to put on a show? Royal weddings are hugely important to the business! ..

BethDuttonsTwin · 14/01/2023 10:06

MarshaMelrose · 14/01/2023 08:36

I don't think Harry wants it to end. My sister can be like this. If she's unhappy and you apologise, she just doubles down and goes in against you even harder. She sees an apology as a sign of weakness in your armour.

Even if they apologised for everything he imagines has happened, he still won't be happy. Because moaning avout it is who he is right now. That defines him now. He's even received an award for it. There's no win for him in moving on. Who would he then have left to rail against? The press? Who would be interested in listening to that? Without the RF to push against, Harry would be lost.

My Ex h was like your sister. I agree with your post.